Quran is free of errors

[JMorris]

so this is how you treat us, not surprised at all.

how else am i to "treat" someone who believes that humans are made of clay, and demands proof that we're not?

one would be good, cos i haven't seen any.

go look up a scientific book on biology. simply look up human biology, you wont find even 1 claiming that humans are made of clay.

so now you know better than god. impressive.

i obviously must, because i know humans arent made of clay. im not a genius, and even i know that, so god is dumber than me? you must think very little of god that he wouldnt even know what humans are made of.

i haven't come across any of this, seriously.

im not surprised. learning basic biology is probably to much to ask from you. why not simply go look up human biology? i cant possibly cite 1 reference, because EVERY reference towards human biology would say humans arent made of clay. just look it up yourself. its EVERYWHERE.

human biology - Google Search

there i even did it for you, look at any link you want, none of them will say "humans are made of clay"

and you have no refrences to dissprove anything that it says.

can you prove that humans arent made of wood? that they arent made of metal, grass, cloth?

biology can, why not try to learn even basic biology?

you can repeat that "humans are made of clay" but its NEVER going to be true. ive never seen someone who has divorced themselves from reality as much as you. this is just the biggest bunch of nonsense i have ever seen in my life.

 

[.lava]

allah being pleased with you for simply being a good person is quite a different thing from allah being mad at you if you dont pray 5 times a day, and face an arbitrary direction. if you dont wear a hijab (if your a woman), if you are homosexual, if you eat pork, ect.

OK, let me ask you this way. if God commanded you to drink water when you are thirsty, would you be against God?

Allah loves everyone, loves even the worst people on Earth those we are not able to love.

if serving allah is simply being a good person, then i accept that. if serving allah is doing alot of arbitrary nonsense, then i dont accept that. you dont have to believe in allah to be a good person. but even if you are a good person, do you still have to worship allah to go to please allah?

there are things you do not know because they are not in your experience. i get that therefor things you say could not upset me. there are invitations in Qur'an. i mean, they are invitations that's directed at different people who happened to be at different levels. thereis an invitation for me which i did not manage to take yet. you're talking about daily practices but those practices would mean something only if you wish to reach Allah. then they become pleasures. there are Muslims who can't wait till the next prayer because salaat gives them happiness. please do not ignore this. you may not know so it might look like a burden to you.

[/quote]then why did the Mayans not become muslims? were they simply "evil"? why is it that only people from the middle east ever accepted the abrahamic god? because their the only ones that heard of him?[/quote]

they probably became whatever they are called in their own language. they did not have to know Arabic to be on the right path, right? Muslim is an Arabic word just like Islam. God knows how many people lived on earth...there were people before Abraham (PBUH) too. the basic thing is oneness of Creator. when one wishes to reach that creator, as we name it Allah, God leads him. therefor i suggest people to make that wish and see what happens. i personally know what happens. because i was not raised religious, i became one after age 30. anyways


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[JMorris]

OK, let me ask you this way. if God commanded you to drink water when you are thirsty, would you be against God?

i wouldnt need god to tell me to drink, i can think for myself. if thats the case for god, then it would make god irrelevant. wearing hijab, praying 5 times a day, praying towards Mecca, hating homosexuals, not eating pork; all aribitrary and irrelevant. no one has to do any of those things to survive.

Allah loves everyone, loves even the worst people on Earth those we are not able to love.

then there is no hell. and there is no reason to worry about worshiping him, all you have to do is be a good person.

there are things you do not know because they are not in your experience. i get that therefor things you say could not upset me. there are invitations in Qur'an. i mean, they are invitations that's directed at different people who happened to be at different levels. thereis an invitation for me which i did not manage to take yet. you're talking about daily practices but those practices would mean something only if you wish to reach Allah. then they become pleasures. there are Muslims who can't wait till the next prayer because salaat gives them happiness. please do not ignore this. you may not know so it might look like a burden to you.

they probably became whatever they are called in their own language. they did not have to know Arabic to be on the right path, right? Muslim is an Arabic word just like Islam. God knows how many people lived on earth...there were people before Abraham (PBUH) too. the basic thing is oneness of Creator. when one wishes to reach that creator, as we name it Allah, God leads him. therefor i suggest people to make that wish and see what happens. i personally know what happens. because i was not raised religious, i became one after age 30. anyways

then would you say that every religion on earth actually worships the same god? christianity, judaism, islam, hinduism, buddhism, ect? the only real difference between religions is the culture they were created in? the only thing god really wants you to do is be a good person? everything else is arbitrary cultural rituals?

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE:JMorris]

how many references do i need to post that prove that humans arent made of clay? every single one there is? its not really fair since you only have 1 reference that says people are made of clay. and it dosent prove people arent made of clay, it simply says it is.

Response: You don't have any proof. It's amazing. If I were to say, "it's true because the qur'an says so", you would naturally say that it's not evidence. Yet when asked of how do you know, for example, that man was not made from clay, you and every other atheist would say, "because a science book says so". The same logic you critique muslims for, you use yourself. This goes to show how your argument alone doesn't hold up. And while you want to insist on using the reasoning that "science says so", you're argument is defeated simply due to the fact that there are countless scientists who, after reading the scientific miracles of the qur'an, agree with the qur'an and become muslims, thus showing support from a scientific perspective that the qur'an is scientifically right. So the argument that science has proved the qur'an to be wrong goes right out the window.

There are several scientists who say that the qur'an is accurate and is a revelation from Allah and were not muslims when making the conclusion. Dr. William H. Hey, Dr. E. Marshall Johnson, Dr. Keith Moore, Dr. Maurice Bucaille, etc. So once again, your claim that science disproves the qur'an in any way goes out the window.

 

[darkendless]

Response: You don't have any proof. It's amazing. If I were to say, "it's true because the qur'an says so", you would naturally say that it's not evidence. Yet when asked of how do you know, for example, that man was not made from clay, you and every other atheist would say, "because a science book says so". The same logic you critique muslims for, you use yourself. This goes to show how your argument alone doesn't hold up. And while you want to insist on using the reasoning that "science says so", you're argument is defeated simply due to the fact that there are countless scientists who, after reading the scientific miracles of the qur'an, agree with the qur'an and become muslims, thus showing support from a scientific perspective that the qur'an is scientifically right. So the argument that science has proved the qur'an to be wrong goes right out the window.

There are several scientists who say that the qur'an is accurate and is a revelation from Allah and were not muslims when making the conclusion. Dr. William H. Hey, Dr. E. Marshall Johnson, Dr. Keith Moore, Dr. Maurice Bucaille, etc. So once again, your claim that science disproves the qur'an in any way goes out the window.

Actually common sense says we're not made of clay. You have to be completely ******* retarded to believe we are. Do have any idea what so ever what happens to clay when you wet it?

 

[JMorris]

Response: You don't have any proof. It's amazing. If I were to say, "it's true because the qur'an says so", you would naturally say that it's not evidence. Yet when asked of how do you know, for example, that man was not made from clay, you and every other atheist would say, "because a science book says so". The same logic you critique muslims for, you use yourself. This goes to show how your argument alone doesn't hold up. And while you want to insist on using the reasoning that "science says so", you're argument is defeated simply due to the fact that there are countless scientists who, after reading the scientific miracles of the qur'an, agree with the qur'an and become muslims, thus showing support from a scientific perspective that the qur'an is scientifically right. So the argument that science has proved the qur'an to be wrong goes right out the window.

There are several scientists who say that the qur'an is accurate and is a revelation from Allah and were not muslims when making the conclusion. Dr. William H. Hey, Dr. E. Marshall Johnson, Dr. Keith Moore, Dr. Maurice Bucaille, etc. So once again, your claim that science disproves the qur'an in any way goes out the window.

i know its not true because i went to elementary school. and they taught SCIENCE! im sorry if where you come from they dont have SCIENCE class. several "scientists" trumps hundreds of scientists? if they say "humans are made of clay" then they are quacks.

PEOPLE ARE NOT MADE OF CLAY. END OF FRIGGIN DEBATE.

and if you cant get that through your head, then go debate a bunch of 5 year olds. tho im sure even they could beat you in this debate.

i will not be responding to this thread any longer. this debate is over, you have lost. the quran has atleast 1 obvious flaw. go start a new thread. if you cant accept reality, thats your problem. im not going to continue debating this nonsense with you forever. you've created a brick wall between you and reality, and that wall is made out of self imposed ignorance.

 

[JMorris]

Actually common sense says we're not made of clay. You have to be completely ******* retarded to believe we are. Do have any idea what so ever what happens to clay when you wet it?

dont waste your time. reality means nothing to him. dumbest damn topic ive ever debated in my entire life.

im gonna go wash off the stupidity that ive been wading through in this thread.........

 

[darkendless]

dont waste your time. reality means nothing to him. dumbest damn topic ive ever debated in my entire life.

im gonna go wash off the stupidity that ive been wading through in this thread.........

My respect for religion drops every time i enter a debate on creation. Then again, it was never very high.

I dont understand how people can believe a book less reliable than the story of the wooden horse of troy over solid scientific facts. Oh and Fatihah, just for the record, the most common type in my area is clay. So between you and me, i think i know enough to know that we're not made of clay :yes:

 

[Fatihah]

Actually common sense says we're not made of clay. You have to be completely ******* retarded to believe we are. Do have any idea what so ever what happens to clay when you wet it?

Response: And you have to be in admission that you can't even prove your own logic when your rebuttle can't refute the claim.

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE:JMorris]i know its not true because i went to elementary school. and they taught SCIENCE! im sorry if where you come from they dont have SCIENCE class.

Response: Exactly. Whatever you learned in elementary school must be true. Why? Because the teacher said it was true. Some logic. Any reasonable person can see the absurdity.

Quote: JMorris
several "scientists" trumps hundreds of scientists? if they say "humans are made of clay" then they are quacks.

Response: There are hundreds of scientists who say the qur'an is accurate. And based on your statement above, it is clear that you have no reason to deny that the qur'an's stance is true and only do so because it doesn't agree with you. No proof, but simply because it doesn't agree with you. That's why when you are presented with evidence that scientists themselves say that it's true, you call them quacks. Why? Because they won't agree with you. Such an ego.

 

[darkendless]

Response: And you have to be in admission that you can't even prove your own logic when your rebuttle can't refute the claim.

OK, read this very carefully. I'm going to go through the physical properties of clay:

Natural state:
- clay is soft and mallaeble when wet
- when clay is wet it exhibits high plasticity
- clay is often hard and brittle when dry
- clay when dry is a thermal and electrical insulator
- clay is formed through the grinding and eventual breakdown of rocks
- clay is also formed by the chemical weathering, often using carbonic acids

Now tell me Fatihah, how the hell is our skin anything like this? For one, humans are not resistant to heat and fire, we don't expand significantly when wet, we do not retain a similiar chemical composition when we're put in a fire, and we're not made of ground down rocks.

Care to disagree?

 

[Gharib]

OK, read this very carefully. I'm going to go through the physical properties of clay:

Natural state:
- clay is soft and mallaeble when wet
- when clay is wet it exhibits high plasticity
- clay is often hard and brittle when dry
- clay when dry is a thermal and electrical insulator
- clay is formed through the grinding and eventual breakdown of rocks
- clay is also formed by the chemical weathering, often using carbonic acids

Now tell me Fatihah, how the hell is our skin anything like this? For one, humans are not resistant to heat and fire, we don't expand significantly when wet, we do not retain a similiar chemical composition when we're put in a fire, and we're not made of ground down rocks.

Care to disagree?

this is childish, really.

do you actually think that just because we are made from clay we are actually going to be clay or have those properties, just like the ginger bread man?

listen to yourself, it's good that you know about clay, but try a little harder darkendless.

Allah (swt) also says that we are made of water and science has verified that almost 90 % or our body mass is water, so why does fire burn us then?

care to dissagree?

 

[Gharib]

Response: You don't have any proof. It's amazing. If I were to say, "it's true because the qur'an says so", you would naturally say that it's not evidence. Yet when asked of how do you know, for example, that man was not made from clay, you and every other atheist would say, "because a science book says so". The same logic you critique muslims for, you use yourself. This goes to show how your argument alone doesn't hold up. And while you want to insist on using the reasoning that "science says so", you're argument is defeated simply due to the fact that there are countless scientists who, after reading the scientific miracles of the qur'an, agree with the qur'an and become muslims, thus showing support from a scientific perspective that the qur'an is scientifically right. So the argument that science has proved the qur'an to be wrong goes right out the window.

this has got to be the best post i've read in ages, well done brother Fatihah.

 

[darkendless]

this is childish, really.

do you actually think that just because we are made from clay we are actually going to be clay or have those properties, just like the ginger bread man?

listen to yourself, it's good that you know about clay, but try a little harder darkendless.

Allah (swt) also says that we are made of water and science has verified that almost 90 % or our body mass is water, so why does fire burn us then?

care to dissagree?

Yes, if we are made of clay we would share those properties, or at least a mixture of them. Its impossible not to. Do you know what a composite material is Eselam? It is a material made stronger by utilizing the properties of another material. Steel is a composite where carbon is added to strengthen the Iron. Sure it is no longer called iron and is not a naturally occuring substance, but it still retains the properties of Iron. Its simple Eselam, we either exhibit some properties of clay or we're not clay!!!!! **** Don't make excuses for your book. If Allah says we're made of clay then why would our bodies not express the physical properties of clay? Even as a composite we would still act somewhat like clay.

I don't have to try to destroy this childish discussion. I didn't think you guys would be silly enough to try and have this discussion. A 5 year old could tell you we're not made of clay. The notion is pathetically rediculous.

We're 90% water sure (i don't actually know but ill take your word for it), but water boils and evaporates at 100 degrees celsius. Common fires burn at about 300 degrees C, so in very simple terms we evaporate. Also, our skin has a very low moisture content, so we burn.

If we were made of clay we wouldn't burn. Clay is basically small rock particles (for people who don't speak geology) and rocks do not burn, they retain their chemical structurein common fires. Now, if we were made of clay, we would not burn!!!

Why is this so damn hard for you guys to understand. I've had a better time explaining integral calculus to 13 year olds.

You call me childish, yet im using common facts versus the fairy tale called the Quran, give me a ******* break.

 

[Gharib]

come on watch your language. do you want to debate or what

Yes, if we are made of clay we would share those properties, or at least a mixture of them. Its impossible not to.

who said we don't?

you yourself said that clay becomes elastic or what ever when wet, so let me ask you have you ever been in water for long hours?

have you not seen how your skin becomes all wrinkley and very soft? and it also kind of streches too. is that good enough? but no, thats not correct, right?

Do you know what a composite material is Eselam? It is a material made stronger by utilizing the properties of another material. Steel is a composite where carbon is added to strengthen the Iron. Sure it is no longer called iron and is not a naturally occuring substance, but it still retains the properties of Iron. Its simple Eselam, we either exhibit some properties of clay or we're not clay!!!!!

yeah you are right we are either like clay or we are not clay at all. and same with bacteria wich happened to be the result of our existence according to science, if we really are from bacteria, then why do we die? can you explain that to me?

**** Don't make excuses for your book. If Allah says we're made of clay then why would our bodies not express the physical properties of clay? Even as a composite we would still act somewhat like clay.

yep correct, read the above example. but i doubt you will say i'm right.

I don't have to try to destroy this childish discussion. I didn't think you guys would be silly enough to try and have this discussion. A 5 year old could tell you we're not made of clay. The notion is pathetically rediculous.

yes a 5 year old will say we are made from monkeys. i laugh everytime i think about that.

We're 90% water sure (i don't actually know but ill take your word for it), but water boils and evaporates at 100 degrees celsius. Common fires burn at about 300 degrees C, so in very simple terms we evaporate. Also, our skin has a very low moisture content, so we burn.

so then the quran was right about this part, now lets see if you will accept the other part as well.

If we were made of clay we wouldn't burn.

no we don't we evaporate, just as you have said.

Clay is basically small rock particles (for people who don't speak geology) and rocks do not burn, they retain their chemical structurein common fires. Now, if we were made of clay, we would not burn!!!

so then why does our skin become as it does when it gets wet for a long time? shouldn't nothing happen because we are made from water?

Why is this so damn hard for you guys to understand. I've had a better time explaining integral calculus to 13 year olds.

back at you mate.

You call me childish, yet im using common facts versus the fairy tale called the Quran, give me a ******* break.

language.

why do you get angry so quick, can't you handle any criticism?

 

[gnostic]

Clearly the Muslims defending the Qur'an have absolutely no idea of the anatomy of the human body. All the Qur'an have done is make a similar adaption to the biblical writing that Adam was made out of earth. And both Bible and Qur'an are wrong - in regards to .

And where did ancient Hebrews got this from?

From the ancient Babylonians and Egyptians. The Egyptians believed that the first man was made out of the clay on the pottery wheel, by the god Khnum.

The ancient Sumerians wrote that the gods (see Enki and Ninmah) had shaped the humans out of clay, using the water from abzu (primeval fresh water); while in the Babylonian myth Atrashasis (the Flood hero) the gods used the blood of slain god to shape the clay into human shapes; and in the myth about Marduk (Epic of Creation or the Enuma Elish), the blood from Qingu was used by Ea (Enki) to give life to clay.

If Abraham did come out of Mesopotamia, he clearly would have brought the Sumerian/Babylonian stories with him, and if Moses did come out of Egypt, then he would surely known of Egyptian myths about Khnum, Ptah and Ra.

All the Muhammad did was use some part of the Bible and still come up with erroneous myth about human being made of earth, clay or dirt.

 

[darkendless]

come on watch your language. do you want to debate or what

Not much of a debate here, i can't believe you can live in this country and be as ignorant of how things work as you are. I'm sorry but this is like talking to an infant.

who said we don't?

you yourself said that clay becomes elastic or what ever when wet, so let me ask you have you ever been in water for long hours?

I did not, i said clay become plastic. Plastic meaning, if you bend it, it will not return to its shape. This means if we got wet and were made of clay, we'd never look the same again. Also, clay expands at roughly 500N/m when it gets wet, if we sat in a bath, the bath would explode as soon as we sat down.

have you not seen how your skin becomes all wrinkley and very soft? and it also kind of streches too. is that good enough? but no, thats not correct, right?

Clay cannot be stretched lol... good lord save me from ignorance. Clay is about as unelastic as it gets. You cant stretch fired clay, its brittle. You can't stretch wet clay. In reality with wet clay, what you're doing is ripping apart hydrogen bonds.

yeah you are right we are either like clay or we are not clay at all. and same with bacteria wich happened to be the result of our existence according to science, if we really are from bacteria, then why do we die? can you explain that to me?

Bacteria dies as well lol.... Good grief. Often cold temperatures will kill bacteria. Hence why we either freeze meat to eat later.

yes a 5 year old will say we are made from monkeys. i laugh everytime i think about that.

Thats because your concept of anything outside Islam is very close to 0, sad really.

no we don't we evaporate, just as you have said.

The water inside us evaporates. The skin and bones burn. Honestly Eselam are you just playing dumb or what>?

so then why does our skin become as it does when it gets wet for a long time? shouldn't nothing happen because we are made from water?

Our skin does that because it has a saturation point where no more water can be absorbed. We're not made of water, we're full of water.
back at you mate.

language.

why do you get angry so quick, can't you handle any criticism?

My language highlights the fact that discussing with the muslims in this thread is frustrating. You're all too ignorant to accept anything against your Quran no maytter how wrong you are.

 

[Gharib]

Clearly the Muslims defending the Qur'an have absolutely no idea of the anatomy of the human body. All the Qur'an have done is make a similar adaption to the biblical writing that Adam was made out of earth. And both Bible and Qur'an are wrong - in regards to .

And where did ancient Hebrews got this from?

From the ancient Babylonians and Egyptians. The Egyptians believed that the first man was made out of the clay on the pottery wheel, by the god Khnum.

The ancient Sumerians wrote that the gods (see Enki and Ninmah) had shaped the humans out of clay, using the water from abzu (primeval fresh water); while in the Babylonian myth Atrashasis (the Flood hero) the gods used the blood of slain god to shape the clay into human shapes; and in the myth about Marduk (Epic of Creation or the Enuma Elish), the blood from Qingu was used by Ea (Enki) to give life to clay.

If Abraham did come out of Mesopotamia, he clearly would have brought the Sumerian/Babylonian stories with him, and if Moses did come out of Egypt, then he would surely known of Egyptian myths about Khnum, Ptah and Ra.

All the Muhammad did was use some part of the Bible and still come up with erroneous myth about human being made of earth, clay or dirt.

even though this is a complete pathetic attempt by you to try and end the conversation i must say, this has to be the lowest post i have ever seen.

and i will report this also for ussing offencive terms in regards to our beliefs and us muslims, which i think is clasified as trolling.

what a bloddy pathetic cheap shot.

 

[darkendless]

even though this is a complete pathetic attempt by you to try and end the conversation i must say, this has to be the lowest post i have ever seen.

and i will report this also for ussing offencive terms in regards to our beliefs and us muslims, which i think is clasified as trolling.

what a bloddy pathetic cheap shot.

You're insulting me by telling me all the science i'm using is wrong. Also that me explaining the physical properties of clay is childish. Also insulting;

Should i report your post also???

You cannot say you didn't expect us to be angry when we say the same thing 10 times and you call it wrong every time.

 

[JMorris]