JMorris
Democratic Socialist
Response: where is your evidence?
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Quran is free of errors
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Response: where is your evidence?
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JMorris
Democratic Socialist
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JMorris
Democratic Socialist
Response: Post 864 isnt proof of anything but your own ignorance.
gnostic
The Lost One
fatihah said:
Have you ever heard of frost bite, Fatihah?
Eventually your blood don't circulate through your body because of the extreme cold.
The water may freeze in a cup soon than you get frost bite, but it is matter of time for the cold exposure.
You don't know a thing about this reality, do you? You off in a dream world, where only Allah's words matter, even it defy all logic and common sense.
If you don't believe me, go to the mountainous region or anywhere there are snow at minus 5 to minus 10 degrees (C), and wear as little as possible of protective clothing, fatihah. Spend at the very least, 4-6 hours, and then we'll see if your circulation don't stop in your fingers, toes and nose, before either they drop off or need to be amputated.
[QUOTE:gnostic]Have you ever heard of frost bite, Fatihah?
Eventually your blood don't circulate through your body because of the extreme cold.
The water may freeze in a cup soon than you get frost bite, but it is matter of time for the cold exposure.
Response: In either case, we still don't freeze solid.
Quote: gnostic
You don't know a thing about this reality, do you? You off in a dream world, where only Allah's words matter, even it defy all logic and common sense.
If you don't believe me, go to the mountainous region or anywhere there are snow at minus 5 to minus 10 degrees (C), and wear as little as possible of protective clothing, fatihah. Spend at the very least, 4-6 hours, and then we'll see if your circulation don't stop in your fingers, toes and nose, before either they drop off or need to be amputated.
Response: All besides the point, which is, a person doesn't freeze solid in the manner that water does.
Eventually your blood don't circulate through your body because of the extreme cold.
The water may freeze in a cup soon than you get frost bite, but it is matter of time for the cold exposure.
Response: In either case, we still don't freeze solid.
Quote: gnostic
You don't know a thing about this reality, do you? You off in a dream world, where only Allah's words matter, even it defy all logic and common sense.
If you don't believe me, go to the mountainous region or anywhere there are snow at minus 5 to minus 10 degrees (C), and wear as little as possible of protective clothing, fatihah. Spend at the very least, 4-6 hours, and then we'll see if your circulation don't stop in your fingers, toes and nose, before either they drop off or need to be amputated.
Response: All besides the point, which is, a person doesn't freeze solid in the manner that water does.
JMorris
Democratic Socialist
more nonsense.
where is your evidence that the human body cant freeze solid? if a body is left on a mountain, it will freeze solid.
Response: The fact that you can't produce evidence to the contrary is evidence enough.
JMorris
Democratic Socialist
Response: The fact that you can't produce evidence to the contrary is evidence enough.
gnostic
The Lost One
fatihah said:
The point being that neither mineral nor clay have living cells, you're simpleton.
fatihah said:
That's not proof, you're simpleton.
Proof is something that you can observed, verified, quantified and test. You're an simpleton, if you don't understand that.
Can you verify what the Qur'an say?
Can you test it?
Can you observe and see that man is made out of clay?
Talk about idiocy.
Your god is moron, if he wrote something like that, and that you believe it showed that logic and common sense don't exist in your head.
Spare me from fools who think they know science or even a simple word like "proof" when they are blinded by primitive religious words/belief.
Go ask a science professor (who know about either biology or earth science) - "Is the human body is made out of clay?" and show him the relevant verse in the Qur'an.
Then you will what reaction you will get from him. You will be laughed off and humiliated because he will think you are indeed a moron, or simply faith-blinded zealous/fanatic.
If today's Muslims all think like you do, then no wonder there have been no scientific discoveries by Muslim scientists for the 5 centuries.
JMorris
Democratic Socialist
Ötzi the Iceman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
where is your evidence that the human body CANT be frozen?
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themadhair
Well-Known Member
It’s called having a job Fatihah. I’m sure you have heard of such a thing. It is where I receive money in exchange for work rendered. When doing this thing called a job it often transpires that I am unable to access the internet since I am not near a computer. But as I think your posts have demonstrated, you have no connection to reality so such things as doing a job or having to go to work or having to sleep, and the associated effect it has on my internet access, have to be explained to you.
Fatihah logic again. The fact that you are actually trying to defend humans being made from clay doesn’t strike you as odd???? Seriously???
[size=+2]Koranic scientists beware! Incoming evidence:[/size]
Typical Fatihah double standards. Demanding others provide evidence while (s)he does absolutely nothing of the sort. I expect Fatihah to claim blackberry again – something that doesn’t excuse the ridiculous double standard.
Whenever you have to resort defending the notion that humans are made from clay, it’s a clear sign of a defeated person in a debate.
Moreover – I don’t see much ad hominem arguments going on. There comes a point where a person has displayed such debating ineptitude and mental dereliction that mockery may be the only option. And even then the mockery isn’t untrue such is the level of current discourse. But feel free to play the siege mentality Fatihah.
Try this experiment. Cut yourself open and look inside. See that? Lots of red stuff, a few pick things and lots of boney stuff? Not clay.
Note to Fatihah who seems to take things overly literally: I am not suggesting you actually do this experiment. I propose it as a thought experiment only hoping that you are aware of the even the most rudimentary facets of basic human anatomy.
I can go and verify the stuff I got taught in school. I remember learning we have a heart and lungs and bones and a stomach and a pancreas and all sorts of fun stuff – none of which are made of clay. I’ve been to a mortuary and got to see a human dissection. Guess what? What I say with my own two eyes agreed completely with the information I had been given in my biology classes. What did you do to verify that humans are made of clay? O that’s right – sweet **** all. This is that double standard thing again.
And there are hundreds of thousands who endorse evolution. Want to play the numbers game? You’ll lose.
I disagree with the koran because it flat out contradicts observational reality. Anything that contradicts observational reality is antithetical to science which is entirely based upon observing reality. Humans made from clay flies in the face of observational reality also.
You have given me another reason to disagree with the koran Fatihah – it seemingly rots the brain too.
[size=+2]Fatihah likes double standards. Asking proof of everybody while providing none of his/her own, while simultaneously ignoring the reality under his/her nose, is typical Fatihah debate tactics. It is dishonest and a crock.[/size]
There are scientists who believe UFO’s exist. There are scientists who believe the earth is expanding. Do you know what the acid test of scientific truth is? It is when a scientists puts their ideas forward for peer review and win the consensus of the scientific community. I can present decades of peer reviewed research detailing evolution, I can present decades of peer reviewed research on human anatomy that make it clear humans are not made of clay, I can present decades of peer reviewed research for each and every scientific claim I hold to be true. Can you produce one, just one, single solitary peer reviewed paper to evidence any claim you have made regarding the koran?
Article explaining peer review to Fatihah because I’d be surprised if he/she is even aware of what peer – review is : Peer review - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My brother and myself laughed ourselves into a stupor at this comment. How does cryogenic storage work if the human body won’t freeze??
It is comments like the above that make me laugh so heartily that keep me coming back to these threads.
Response:Ãtzi the Iceman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
From your own evidence. The body is not frozen solid. You've shown a picture of a skeleton. The skeleton is naturally solid. It's not frozen to become solid. Why you didn't know this is beyond me.
JMorris
Democratic Socialist
Response: where is your evidence?
themadhair
Well-Known Member
The above is the clearest evidence I've seen that Fatihah is being deliberately dishonest. Care to try again? Why did you no mention the condition in which the body was found in? Did you ignore that because you thought a bit of dishonesty would help?
JMorris
Democratic Socialist
[QUOTE:themadhair]
Fatihah logic again. The fact that you are actually trying to defend humans being made from clay doesnt strike you as odd???? Seriously???
Response: The fact that you can't prove otherwise definately isn't odd.
Quote: themadhair
Typical Fatihah double standards. Demanding others provide evidence while (s)he does absolutely nothing of the sort. I expect Fatihah to claim blackberry again something that doesnt excuse the ridiculous double standard.
Response: Typical themadhair. Claiming of a double standard with no evidence.
Quote: themadhair
Whenever you have to resort defending the notion that humans are made from clay, its a clear sign of a defeated person in a debate.
Moreover I dont see much ad hominem arguments going on. There comes a point where a person has displayed such debating ineptitude and mental dereliction that mockery may be the only option. And even then the mockery isnt untrue such is the level of current discourse. But feel free to play the siege mentality Fatihah.
Response: Post 844 shows otherwise. Clearly showing who lost.
Quote: themadhair
Try this experiment. Cut yourself open and look inside. See that? Lots of red stuff, a few pick things and lots of boney stuff? Not clay.
Note to Fatihah who seems to take things overly literally: I am not suggesting you actually do this experiment. I propose it as a thought experiment only hoping that you are aware of the even the most rudimentary facets of basic human anatomy.
I can go and verify the stuff I got taught in school. I remember learning we have a heart and lungs and bones and a stomach and a pancreas and all sorts of fun stuff none of which are made of clay. Ive been to a mortuary and got to see a human dissection. Guess what? What I say with my own two eyes agreed completely with the information I had been given in my biology classes. What did you do to verify that humans are made of clay? O thats right sweet **** all. This is that double standard thing again.
Response: Good for you. Still no proof that man was not created from clay.
Quote: themadhair
And there are hundreds of thousands who endorse evolution. Want to play the numbers game? Youll lose.
Response: Endorse it but can't prove it.
There are scientists who believe UFOs exist. There are scientists who believe the earth is expanding. Do you know what the acid test of scientific truth is? It is when a scientists puts their ideas forward for peer review and win the consensus of the scientific community. I can present decades of peer reviewed research detailing evolution, I can present decades of peer reviewed research on human anatomy that make it clear humans are not made of clay, I can present decades of peer reviewed research for each and every scientific claim I hold to be true. Can you produce one, just one, single solitary peer reviewed paper to evidence any claim you have made regarding the koran?
Response: Amazing. A consistant claim of "I can produce evidence of such and such" but never produce it.
Quote: themadhair
My brother and myself laughed ourselves into a stupor at this comment. How does cryogenic storage work if the human body wont freeze??
It is comments like the above that make me laugh so heartily that keep me coming back to these threads.
Response: Unfortunately, the laugh is on you and your brother because I never said that a body can't freeze nor can you quote any post which says so. So quote the post, if you are truthful? You can even ask your brother for help.
Fatihah logic again. The fact that you are actually trying to defend humans being made from clay doesnt strike you as odd???? Seriously???
Response: The fact that you can't prove otherwise definately isn't odd.
Quote: themadhair
Typical Fatihah double standards. Demanding others provide evidence while (s)he does absolutely nothing of the sort. I expect Fatihah to claim blackberry again something that doesnt excuse the ridiculous double standard.
Response: Typical themadhair. Claiming of a double standard with no evidence.
Quote: themadhair
Whenever you have to resort defending the notion that humans are made from clay, its a clear sign of a defeated person in a debate.
Moreover I dont see much ad hominem arguments going on. There comes a point where a person has displayed such debating ineptitude and mental dereliction that mockery may be the only option. And even then the mockery isnt untrue such is the level of current discourse. But feel free to play the siege mentality Fatihah.
Response: Post 844 shows otherwise. Clearly showing who lost.
Quote: themadhair
Try this experiment. Cut yourself open and look inside. See that? Lots of red stuff, a few pick things and lots of boney stuff? Not clay.
Note to Fatihah who seems to take things overly literally: I am not suggesting you actually do this experiment. I propose it as a thought experiment only hoping that you are aware of the even the most rudimentary facets of basic human anatomy.
I can go and verify the stuff I got taught in school. I remember learning we have a heart and lungs and bones and a stomach and a pancreas and all sorts of fun stuff none of which are made of clay. Ive been to a mortuary and got to see a human dissection. Guess what? What I say with my own two eyes agreed completely with the information I had been given in my biology classes. What did you do to verify that humans are made of clay? O thats right sweet **** all. This is that double standard thing again.
Response: Good for you. Still no proof that man was not created from clay.
Quote: themadhair
And there are hundreds of thousands who endorse evolution. Want to play the numbers game? Youll lose.
Response: Endorse it but can't prove it.
There are scientists who believe UFOs exist. There are scientists who believe the earth is expanding. Do you know what the acid test of scientific truth is? It is when a scientists puts their ideas forward for peer review and win the consensus of the scientific community. I can present decades of peer reviewed research detailing evolution, I can present decades of peer reviewed research on human anatomy that make it clear humans are not made of clay, I can present decades of peer reviewed research for each and every scientific claim I hold to be true. Can you produce one, just one, single solitary peer reviewed paper to evidence any claim you have made regarding the koran?
Response: Amazing. A consistant claim of "I can produce evidence of such and such" but never produce it.
Quote: themadhair
My brother and myself laughed ourselves into a stupor at this comment. How does cryogenic storage work if the human body wont freeze??
It is comments like the above that make me laugh so heartily that keep me coming back to these threads.
Response: Unfortunately, the laugh is on you and your brother because I never said that a body can't freeze nor can you quote any post which says so. So quote the post, if you are truthful? You can even ask your brother for help.
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JMorris
Democratic Socialist
your a liar.
at this point, i cant even believe someone can be this dumb. you must be playing a joke on all of us. theres no possible way an adult can be this ignorant......... or maybe your just a liar, like i just proved
Response: The body is not frozen "SOLID" It's not frozen "SOLID" in the same manner that water is frozen solid. Then you want to take away the context. I said that a body will not freeze to a solid the same manner as the cup of water if both were outside in a cold winter. You show a frozen skeleton as evidence. The skeleton is already solid. It did not freeze to get that way. How sad an argument gets.
But here you are again with the same kind of evidence. What makes it true? Oh, I know. Because a link on the website said it was true. Then in the same manner,
"He it is Who created you from clay, and He decreed a term. And there is another term fixed with Him. Yet (you) doubt." (Ch.6:2)
How do I know this to be true? The same way you know your link is true. Because it says so.
[QUOTE:JMorris]your a liar.
at this point, i cant even believe someone can be this dumb. you must be playing a joke on all of us. theres no possible way an adult can be this ignorant......... or maybe your just a liar, like i just proved
Response: Or maybe you can't read. Frozen is not the same as frozen solid. I said frozen solid and you want to drop the word "solid" satisfy your agenda. So your attempt to calling me a liar just backfired on you as being not only the liar but a deceiver as well.
at this point, i cant even believe someone can be this dumb. you must be playing a joke on all of us. theres no possible way an adult can be this ignorant......... or maybe your just a liar, like i just proved
Response: Or maybe you can't read. Frozen is not the same as frozen solid. I said frozen solid and you want to drop the word "solid" satisfy your agenda. So your attempt to calling me a liar just backfired on you as being not only the liar but a deceiver as well.