Quran is free of errors

[themadhair]

Response: The fact that you can't prove otherwise definately isn't odd.

More idiocy. Never mind that you can perform any number of observations to show otherwise, never mind that you can read any number of biology textbooks to show otherwise, never mind that simple common sense says otherwise – the koran says it so you must adhere.

Typical Fatihah double standards. Demanding others provide evidence while (s)he does absolutely nothing of the sort. I expect Fatihah to claim blackberry again – something that doesn’t excuse the ridiculous double standard.

Response: Typical themadhair. Claiming of a double standard with no evidence.

This just gets stranger and funnier and more hysterical with every one of your posts. It is almost as if you don’t actually comprehend the very words you are typing, or understand the concept of consitancy.

Response: Post 844 shows otherwise.

Really? I thought it showed idiocy. Let me reread it again. Nope, still shows idiocy.

I can go and verify the stuff I got taught in school. I remember learning we have a heart and lungs and bones and a stomach and a pancreas and all sorts of fun stuff – none of which are made of clay. I’ve been to a mortuary and got to see a human dissection. Guess what? What I say with my own two eyes agreed completely with the information I had been given in my biology classes. What did you do to verify that humans are made of clay? O that’s right – sweet **** all. This is that double standard thing again.

Response: Good for you. Still no proof that man was not created from clay.

It is against the forum rules to issue a personal attack against others on this forum. Reading the above one-liner from Fatihah simply screams ‘idiot’ to me. There is a point where words like ‘idiot’, ‘moron’ and ‘braindead’ cease to be personal attacks and become accurate observation. That point has been reached many times over at this stage.

And there are hundreds of thousands who endorse evolution. Want to play the numbers game? You’ll lose.

Response: Endorse it but can't prove it.

Another example of Fatihah’s lack of consistency. Because scientists endorse evolution apparently doesn’t prove anything, and yet the very same moron will quote and cite scientists endorsing the koran as proof of its scientific standing. It is beyond a joke, and you are making Muslims look a laughing stock Fathiah.

The fact that evolutionary theory has tens of thousands of peer reviewed papers supporting it while the koran has zero doesn’t seem to matter.

Response: Amazing. A consistant claim of "I can produce evidence of such and such" but never produce it.

Some peer reviewed papers evidencing evolution:
http://www.eebweb.arizona.edu/Faculty/Nachman/pdfs/Hoekstra_and_Coyne_2007.pdf
http://eprints.kfupm.edu.sa/38373/1/38373.pdf
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http://www.culturaapicola.com.ar/apuntes/meliponas/128_evolucion_insectos_1.pdf
http://www.puce.edu.ec/zoologia/vertebrados/publicaciones/Wiens et al 2007.pdf
https://www.com.univ-mrs.fr/~boudou...OM_2007_2008/Embley_et_Martin_2006_Nature.pdf

I don’t expect Fatihah to do likewise since there is no scientific peer-reviewed papers on the koran.

Response: Unfortunately, the laugh is on you and your brother because I never said that a body can't freeze nor can you quote any post which says so. So quote the post, if you are truthful? You can even ask your brother for help.

Unfortunately for you posts don’t disappear like your memories and comprehension:

Have you ever heard of frost bite, Fatihah?

Eventually your blood don't circulate through your body because of the extreme cold.

The water may freeze in a cup soon than you get frost bite, but it is matter of time for the cold exposure.

Response: In either case, we still don't freeze solid.

And Fatihah – are quote tags too complicated for you? Or do you suffer the same problems with them as you do reality?

 

[themadhair]

Response: Or maybe you can't read. Frozen is not the same as frozen solid. I said frozen solid and you want to drop the word "solid" satisfy your agenda. So your attempt to calling me a liar just backfired on you as being not only the liar but a deceiver as well.

This is a public service announcement brought to you by themadhair. Please protect yourself, and you family, from literalism. Holding any text to be inerrant in a literal manner can cause severe brain damage. Please protect yourself or you could end up like Fatihah here.

Thank you.

 

[Fatihah]

The above is the clearest evidence I've seen that Fatihah is being deliberately dishonest. Care to try again? Why did you no mention the condition in which the body was found in? Did you ignore that because you thought a bit of dishonesty would help?

Response: I don't have to. That's what the link is for. It's his "alleged" evidence, not mine. Coming from a person who can't argue without using a link to explain yourself, you should know.

 

[JMorris]

Response: The body is not frozen "SOLID" It's not frozen "SOLID" in the same manner that water is frozen solid. Then you want to take away the context. I said that a body will not freeze to a solid the same manner as the cup of water if both were outside in a cold winter. You show a frozen skeleton as evidence. The skeleton is already solid. It did not freeze to get that way. How sad an argument gets.

But here you are again with the same kind of evidence. What makes it true? Oh, I know. Because a link on the website said it was true. Then in the same manner,
"He it is Who created you from clay, and He decreed a term. And there is another term fixed with Him. Yet (you) doubt." (Ch.6:2)

How do I know this to be true? The same way you know your link is true. Because it says so.

ok, you have no evidence of anything you say. and you will not accept any evidence that anyone provides, no matter how scientifically sound it may be. if your not going to believe anything that isnt found in the quran, why do you keep asking for evidence?

if you dont believe wikipedia, there are links at the bottom of the article with more references, and notes, and names of books you can read on the matter.

here is some more proof that the human body can be frozen. since your so held up on the word "solid"

Cryopreservation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and if you dont like wikipedia, there is a whole list of other references in "See Also", "References", and "External Links"

 

[JMorris]

Response: I don't have to. That's what the link is for. It's his "alleged" evidence, not mine. Coming from a person who can't argue without using a link to explain yourself, you should know.

lol what the hell is wrong with you?!?! you keep asking for EVIDENCE! how are we to show evidence on a forum?!?! are we supposed to come to your house and SHOW you evidence right under your nose??

i demand evidence that humans are made of clay, i DEMAND evidence that the human body cant freeze. can you provide ANY?? ANY proof AT ALL?? we have shown evidence after evidence, and i doubt your even reading them, your just denying them out of turn. all you have done is quote from the quran, the quran IS NOT EVIDENCE of scientific fact. simply by saying humans are made out of clay DOSENT MAKE IT TRUE. do we have to show you every single citation on earth that humans arent made of clay??

good god, you've got to be the dumbest person ive ever met.

 

[themadhair]

Response: I don't have to.

Then you are a straight up liar. You posted a deliberate falsehood and got called on it. Show some integrity.

It's his "alleged" evidence, not mine.

His evidence has been verified scientifically. One of many peer reviewed papers on the topic:
Molecular genetic analyses of the Tyrolean Ice Man -- Handt et al. 264 (5166): 1775 -- Science

Coming from a person who can't argue without using a link to explain yourself, you should know.

Is my presenting of scientific papers upsetting to your braindead literalistic ideology? Does it hurt to be presented with evidence that shows your simplistic view of the world is wrong? Most people, certainly those possessing some integrity and intellectual honesty, would come to the realisation that their beliefs are mistaken. But not the koranic scientists – they will fight to defend their right to be stupid.

 

[JMorris]

Response: Or maybe you can't read. Frozen is not the same as frozen solid. I said frozen solid and you want to drop the word "solid" satisfy your agenda. So your attempt to calling me a liar just backfired on you as being not only the liar but a deceiver as well.

your a liar

 

[themadhair]

lol what the hell is wrong with you?!?! you keep asking for EVIDENCE! how are we to show evidence on a forum?!?! are we supposed to come to your house and SHOW you evidence right under your nose??

i demand evidence that humans are made of clay, i DEMAND evidence that the human body cant freeze. can you provide ANY?? ANY proof AT ALL?? we have shown evidence after evidence, and i doubt your even reading them, your just denying them out of turn. all you have done is quote from the quran, the quran IS NOT EVIDENCE of scientific fact. simply by saying humans are made out of clay DOSENT MAKE IT TRUE. do we have to show you every single citation on earth that humans arent made of clay??

good god, you've got to be the dumbest person ive ever met.

I see the mistake you have made here. You are using rational argument and logical analysis founded upon observational inquiry while assuming the person you are interacting with is doing likewise.

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE:themadhair]

Another example of Fatihah’s lack of consistency. Because scientists endorse evolution apparently doesn’t prove anything, and yet the very same moron will quote and cite scientists endorsing the koran as proof of its scientific standing. It is beyond a joke, and you are making Muslims look a laughing stock Fathiah.

Response: That's right. This goes to show that not all science and scientists agree with evolution, thus throwing your argument that science makes your claims true right out the window.

Quote: themadhair
The fact that evolutionary theory has tens of thousands of peer reviewed papers supporting it while the koran has zero doesn’t seem to matter.

Response: Support is not proof.

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE:JMorris]ok, you have no evidence of anything you say. and you will not accept any evidence that anyone provides, no matter how scientifically sound it may be. if your not going to believe anything that isnt found in the quran, why do you keep asking for evidence?

Response: I accept anything that's proven but haven't done so. You should be asking yourself the very same question you're asking me. Why do you deny the clear evidence of the qur'an?

 

[themadhair]

Response: That's right. This goes to show that not all science and scientists agree with evolution, thus throwing your argument that science makes your claims true right out the window.

Why are you ignoring peer reviewed research? Do you have any idea how much of a role evolutionary theory plays in modern agriculture, drug production, medicine, disease control, software engineering, etc? Do you have any idea how much peer reviewed research supports it? Are you deliberately obtuse or did koranic literalism make you that way?

Response: Support is not proof.

Which is why I trust peer reviewed research. Got any scientific peer reviewed research of the koran? No? Wonder why that is.

 

[themadhair]

Response: I accept anything that's proven but haven't done so.

Try pulling the fingers out of your ears, open your eyes and start paying attention. I find that helps me grasp the topics at hand.

Why do you deny the clear evidence of the qur'an?

Because it makes ridiculous claims like 'humans are made out of clay'? Because it seems to be an intellectual retardant? Because it disagrees with things I see and observe in reality? Because I have critical thought and the ability to perform logical analysis? Because I was not indoctrinated? Because I possess a decent education? Because I tend not accept things that are untrue? Because twisting the words of the koran beyond their original intent doesn’t make them either clear nor evidence?

 

[JMorris]

Response: I accept anything that's proven but haven't done so. You should be asking yourself the very same question you're asking me. Why do you deny the clear evidence of the qur'an?

your starting to give me a head-ache. the koran proves nothing except for the existence of islam.

the evidences i have cited, and the evidences that themadhair has cited, have been proven.

again, i DEMAND proof that humans are made of clay. i DEMAND proof that the human body cant be frozen. if you ignore this, then i assume you have none. well, i already know you have none, but neither is true. like i said, so many posts ago, this debate is over, and you, and all the other muslims on this thread have lost. the koran is in error. humans arent made of clay, and the human body can be frozen. just because you cant accept reality dosent make you right, it just makes you delusional.

 

[Fatihah]

lol what the hell is wrong with you?!?! you keep asking for EVIDENCE! how are we to show evidence on a forum?!?! are we supposed to come to your house and SHOW you evidence right under your nose??

i demand evidence that humans are made of clay, i DEMAND evidence that the human body cant freeze. can you provide ANY?? ANY proof AT ALL?? we have shown evidence after evidence, and i doubt your even reading them, your just denying them out of turn. all you have done is quote from the quran, the quran IS NOT EVIDENCE of scientific fact. simply by saying humans are made out of clay DOSENT MAKE IT TRUE. do we have to show you every single citation on earth that humans arent made of clay??

good god, you've got to be the dumbest person ive ever met.

Response: You see, you are so caught up in a haze of trying to prove yourself right that you don't realize that the so-called evidence you are providing is not proven anything. You keep saying that I said that a body can't freeze and even when I show you that I haven't, you can't comprehend it. That's because you're to driven to prove a point of your own that your mind isn't enabling you to see that.

As for the evidence that man was created from clay, you've provided no evidence that this is not the case. You've said it's not the case but saying it is not proving it.

 

[Fatihah]

Then you are a straight up liar. You posted a deliberate falsehood and got called on it. Show some integrity.

Response: Show some proof.

Quote: themadhair
His evidence has been verified scientifically. One of many peer reviewed papers on the topic:
Molecular genetic analyses of the Tyrolean Ice Man -- Handt et al. 264 (5166): 1775 -- Science


Is my presenting of scientific papers upsetting to your braindead literalistic ideology? Does it hurt to be presented with evidence that shows your simplistic view of the world is wrong?
Response: If I was wrong I would have no problem accepting unlike you. Fortunately, nothing has been proven wrong.

 

[McBell]

Fortunately, nothing has been proven wrong.

Oh to be able to live in your fantasy land.
You must be the most blissful person who has ever lived on this planet.

 

[JMorris]

Response: You see, you are so caught up in a haze of trying to prove yourself right that you don't realize that the so-called evidence you are providing is not proven anything. You keep saying that I said that a body can't freeze and even when I show you that I haven't, you can't comprehend it. That's because you're to driven to prove a point of your own that your mind isn't enabling you to see that.

As for the evidence that man was created from clay, you've provided no evidence that this is not the case. You've said it's not the case but saying it is not proving it.

the evidence i have shown, and the evidence themadhair has shown is PROVEN BY SCIENCE. the fact that it proves nothing to you is hardly surprising.

i have asked you REPEATEDLY for PROOF of the crap you've been saying, and yet you provide NONE. i wonder why that is? me and many others on this thread have shown proof after proof that shows the things you are saying are false. and yet you dont have a single citation backing up the retarded crap you've been saying? gee i wonder why that is.

so either show PROOF of the ridiculous statements you've been making or shut up.

 

[Fatihah]

your a liar

Response: Post 920 proves the opposite.

 

[Fatihah]

Try pulling the fingers out of your ears, open your eyes and start paying attention. I find that helps me grasp the topics at hand.


Because it makes ridiculous claims like 'humans are made out of clay'? Because it seems to be an intellectual retardant? Because it disagrees with things I see and observe in reality? Because I have critical thought and the ability to perform logical analysis? Because I was not indoctrinated? Because I possess a decent education? Because I tend not accept things that are untrue? Because twisting the words of the koran beyond their original intent doesn’t make them either clear nor evidence?

Response: Then your posts shouldn't reflect the exact opposite.

 

[JMorris]

Response: Post 920 proves the opposite.

your a liar