Quran is free of errors

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE:gnostic]No they would laugh at you because they think would you're an ignorant fool.

And you can't prove that man was created from clay or mud, dirt or earth. And only a fool will believe that.

Response: And you can't prove to the contrary either.

Quote: gnostic
You say "yes", that it can be "verified" and "tested".

So where are the evidences, you simpleton?

Provide the evidences, then we can considered if what say and believe to be proof or not.

Response: Sure.

In ch: 4:82 of the qur'an we read, "Will they not,then, meditate upon the Qur'an? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy". Also in ch.2:23 we read "And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it, and call upon your helpers beside Allah, if you are truthful".

Here we have two tests to prove the authenticity and truth of the qur'an. Once applied, you will come to learn that the qur'an is in fact from Allah and has never nor will it ever be corrupted.

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE:darkendless]Hit your hand against the table.

Does it break? No, then you're not made of solid clay.

Does it change shape? No, then you're not made of mallaeble clay.

Response: Hit your hand against the table. Now throw water on the table. Did your hand splatter like the water did? So based on your logic, we are not made of water.

Quote: darkendless
Its like arguing with an infant.

Response: Likewise.

 

[darkendless]

Hit your hand against the table.

Does it break? No, then you're not made of solid clay.

Does it change shape? No, then you're not made of mallaeble clay.

Response: Hit your hand against the table. Now throw water on the table. Did your hand splatter like the water did? So based on your logic, we are not made of water.

Quote: darkendless
Its like arguing with an infant.

Response: Likewise.

Of course we're not made of water, we contain water genius. Gosh.

Its funny how you have provided 0 evidence for your position. Now all you can do is act like a child to work your way out of this.

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE:gnostic]It is you who don't comprehend, Fatihah.

You said that "yes" to be able to verify, but you provide nothing for us to verify.

People have cut open body, both dead (in autopsy) and alive (in surgery), and there are no clay found in the body. The muscles have no clay or clay-like properties. There are no clay in organs, bones and blood.

And you said "yes" to that being "tested", then you should be able to test this today. Surgery have been done in the millions, but no bodies or body parts have been found to contain clay.

When I did science in high school, I had to cut open a rat, and I found no trace of clay. Meat that we prepare everyday as our food...well not if people are vegetarians...showed no elements of clay or clay-like substance.

Response: Seems you can't comprehend as well. You are right. I did say "yes". I said yes referring to the qur'an and that we can verify if the qur'an is true, not what you are talking about.

Quote: gnostic
So forgive me, if I say again, that only ignorants would believe in such thing written in the Qur'an, or other supposed scriptural literature.

We live in the real world, not your world of make-believe that contained djinns, fairies, ghouls and goblins, Fatihah.

"Allah says so..." Don't amount to proof. Just your blind faith.

Response: Yes it does. He is the creator, not you.

 

[Fatihah]

QUOTE:darkendless

Of course we're not made of water, we contain water genius. Gosh.

Response: You've reduced your argument to playing with words? If you contain water you're made of water. The water is apart of you. Without it you wouldn't exist. Such a sad rebuttle.

Quote: darkendless
Its funny how you have provided 0 evidence for your position. Now all you can do is act like a child to work your way out of this.

Response: Likewise.

 

[darkendless]

QUOTE:darkendless

Of course we're not made of water, we contain water genius. Gosh.

Response: You've reduced your argument to playing with words? If you contain water you're made of water. The water is apart of you. Without it you wouldn't exist. Such a sad rebuttle.

Quote: darkendless
Its funny how you have provided 0 evidence for your position. Now all you can do is act like a child to work your way out of this.

Response: Likewise.

If a can contains beans does that mean the can is made of beans. No, stop playing dumb its wearing thin.

Can you not read. Its just really sad that you havn't bothered to acknowledge anything from the last 4 pages.

 

[Fatihah]

If a can contains beans does that mean the can is made of beans. No, stop playing dumb its wearing thin.

Can you not read. Its just really sad that you havn't bothered to acknowledge anything from the last 4 pages.

Response: Of course not. A can can exists without beans. Humans on the other hand can not exists without water. So we are made of water. Such a poor argument and yet you still want to use it. Don't reduce yourself to this. It's o.k. to take back a bad analogy. It doesn't show flaw in your argument at all to be honest. It's just a bad analogy. It doesn't show that I am right nor would I claim that I am or hold it against you. It's just a bad analogy. That's all. Nothing more. Nothing less. Unless you insist on continuing to use it. That's another story.

 

[McBell]

If a can contains beans does that mean the can is made of beans. No, stop playing dumb its wearing thin.

Can you not read. Its just really sad that you havn't bothered to acknowledge anything from the last 4 pages.

wearing?

 

[darkendless]

Response: Of course not. A can can exists without beans. Humans on the other hand can not exists without water. So we are made of water. Such a poor argument and yet you still want to use it. Don't reduce yourself to this. It's o.k. to take back a bad analogy. It doesn't show flaw in your argument at all to be honest. It's just a bad analogy. It doesn't show that I am right nor would I claim that I am or hold it against you. It's just a bad analogy. That's all. Nothing more. Nothing less. Unless you insist on continuing to use it. That's another story.

Humans contain a lot of blood, are we made of blood? No we have bones, cartlidge and all other things inside us.

 

[Fatihah]

Humans contain a lot of blood, are we made of blood? No we have bones, cartlidge and all other things inside us.

Response: Then that would mean that we are made of bones, cartildge and other things as well as blood. You don't exclude blood. Without blood you wouldn't live. You are made of blood.

 

[themadhair]

Response: Then that would mean that we are made of bones, cartildge and other things as well as blood. You don't exclude blood. Without blood you wouldn't live. You are made of blood.

Did you find the clay in that anywhere yet?

 

[Fatihah]

Did you find the clay in that anywhere yet?

Response: Not at all

 

[gnostic]

You're a complete fool.

Doctors performed surgery on their patients (that need surgery) everyday, in hospitals throughout Australia, and the world. Not one found in a single any organ, tissue, muscle, bone, etc, any trace of clay properties.

That itself is proof enough that humans are not made out of clay.

Coroners perform autopsy upon bodies to find the cause of death. They don't find any body parts made out of soil, clay, sands, etc.

If you looked at the properties of clay, you don't find living organic cells that make up the clay.

For you to say that Allah is the proof because he say so, is not proof at all, because you can't present that to be the case, for anyone to examine, test and verify the cases. In order to have proof, you required more than just words from scripture, supposedly written by a supposed god, and more than just your belief and blind faith.

Have you not got that yet?

Proof and fact is not words, belief and faith.

Unless you have something to present to support your case, then you have absolutely nothing, but your belief in Islamic fairytale.

Your Qur'an contained myth about djinn and fables that human (Solomon) can understand the language of ants, and so-called scientific miracles that the Sun is a lamp, and earth is a carpet. How accurate is any of that?

Only fools like you could believe these words in the Qur'an to be facts, when you don't even have a single evidence to support or prove this the rubbish your call scripture to be validated fact.

 

[gnostic]

Response: Then that would mean that we are made of bones, cartildge and other things as well as blood. You don't exclude blood. Without blood you wouldn't live. You are made of blood.

Stating the obvious.

But the blood is not only thing you need.

Sure you need blood to live. It's what keep the organs and tissues alive and healthy. But you need to heart to pump the blood to circulate to various parts by carrying oxygen to vital parts. The blood keep the brain healthy and alive. But the brain is also what keep the blood going, because without the brain, the heart would not pump blood in and out to where they are needed. Without the brain, you can't move, see, hear, feel, etc.

Obviously none of the blood is reaching your brain.

None of which is made out of clay, you simpleton.

 

[JMorris]

Stating the obvious.

But the blood is not only thing you need.

Sure you need blood to live. It's what keep the organs and tissues alive and healthy. But you need to heart to pump the blood to circulate to various parts by carrying oxygen to vital parts. The blood keep the brain healthy and alive. But the brain is also what keep the blood going, because without the brain, the heart would not pump blood in and out to where they are needed. Without the brain, you can't move, see, hear, feel, etc.

Obviously none of the blood is reaching your brain.

None of which is made out of clay, you simpleton.

you think reality is going to make any difference to him? acts of futility. its not that he dosent know any of this stuff, deep down he does. he simply refuses to accept it. he is willfully ignorant.

i suggest that you stop bashing your head against that wall of ignorance he was built between himself and reality. i dont want you to hurt yourself.

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE:gnostic]You're a complete fool.

Doctors performed surgery on their patients (that need surgery) everyday, in hospitals throughout Australia, and the world. Not one found in a single any organ, tissue, muscle, bone, etc, any trace of clay properties. (End quote)

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof? You want to know whether the qur'an speaks the truth or not. You can judge by your own answer to this question which, like always, will be an answer with no proof. That's the problem. You have no problem responding, you just simply don't have proof in your response. Proof of that, well sit back and watch your own answer. It's going to sound something like, "it's not because it ain't true" or "when you bleed or cut open the body, you don't see clay", etc.. Let's watch and see.

Quote: gnostic
For you to say that Allah is the proof because he say so, is not proof at all, because you can't present that to be the case, for anyone to examine, test and verify the cases. In order to have proof, you required more than just words from scripture, supposedly written by a supposed god, and more than just your belief and blind faith.

Have you not got that yet? (End quote)

Response: True. You do need more. Perhaps you should start following your own advice. As for proof of the qur'an's truth and authenticity, it's been provided already. Post 961 of page 97.

Quote: gnostic
Proof and fact is not words, belief and faith.

Unless you have something to present to support your case, then you have absolutely nothing, but your belief in Islamic fairytale.

Your Qur'an contained myth about djinn and fables that human (Solomon) can understand the language of ants, and so-called scientific miracles that the Sun is a lamp, and earth is a carpet. How accurate is any of that?(End quote)

Response: Very much accurate.

Quote: gnostic
Only fools like you could believe these words in the Qur'an to be facts, when you don't even have a single evidence to support or prove this the rubbish your call scripture to be validated fact.[/QUOTE]

Response: Yet you never seem to realize that you haven't provided any proof of your claims. The same "we're not made of clay because when I cut open a person I don't see clay", is absurd and elementary. An ingredient for french toast is eggs yet when I cut a piece open I don't see the egg. The same as for the sugar in my bowl of cereal, the milk in cheese, etc. Such a flawed argument when you reduce it to this and call it evidence.

 

[Fatihah]

you think reality is going to make any difference to him? acts of futility. its not that he dosent know any of this stuff, deep down he does. he simply refuses to accept it. he is willfully ignorant.

i suggest that you stop bashing your head against that wall of ignorance he was built between himself and reality. i dont want you to hurt yourself.

Response: Likewise.

 

[JMorris]

Response: Yet you never seem to realize that you haven't provided any proof of your claims. The same "we're not made of clay because when I cut open a person I don't see clay", is absurd and elementary. An ingredient for french toast is eggs yet when I cut a piece opened I don't see the egg. The same as for the sugar in my bowl of cereal, the milk in cheese, etc. Such a flawed argument when you reduce it to this and call it evidence.

Response: where is your evidence that human's are made of clay? where is your evidence of anything that you claim?

 

[gnostic]

you think reality is going to make any difference to him? acts of futility. its not that he dosent know any of this stuff, deep down he does. he simply refuses to accept it. he is willfully ignorant.

i suggest that you stop bashing your head against that wall of ignorance he was built between himself and reality. i dont want you to hurt yourself.

All he is doing is making his own religion and god look more and more absurd.

I thought Christian literal creationists were fools. It would seem that some of these Muslims here have exceeded creationists in willful ignorance by miles.

They seemed to be living in the localised Dark Ages, today.

I don't think they can blame this on cultural thing, which they usually do, when it comes to social behaviours. The Qur'an demonstrates that it has errors, and not a small amount too. The Qur'an is actually teaching them to be blind ignorants.

 

[JMorris]

All he is doing is making his own religion and god look more and more absurd.

im starting to think he is actually anti-Islam and is simply portraying himself as a gibbering fool of a Muslim in order to make Muslims look bad. surely Fatihah cant be representative of the entire religion.

I thought Christian literal creationists were fools. It would seem that some of these Muslims here have exceeded creationists in willful ignorance by miles.

i know, it boggles the mind. makes you feel lucky that all we have to deal with are crazy Christians.

They seemed to be living in the localised Dark Ages, today.

i never understood why people who believe this kind of crap (muslim or christian) use 20th-21st century technology. why does someone who believes that a human is made of clay, use a computer? i have to imagine its a sin.

I don't think they can blame this on cultural thing, which they usually do, when it comes to social behaviours. The Qur'an demonstrates that it has errors, and not a small amount too. The Qur'an is actually teaching them to be blind ignorants.

willful ignorance. basic tenant of alot of religions