Race riots in England

[ratiocinator]

Islamophobia is a word used by apologists and ignorant people which I find very humorous.

What a silly thing to say. The word has a perfectly good and valid dictionary definition, and it certainly looks as if it applies to you (and the rioters).

Anyway I’m watching football in the pub,my advice,don’t get emotional over a comma ;-) .

I'm not at all emotional about them. It's just another small piece of evidence that your education wasn't as good as you claim (as if any more were really needed, beyond your irrational prejudices).

 

[icehorse]

It's just yet another reason to think your education may not have been as good as you make out. I'd expect basic text formatting to be second nature to anybody with a decent education, or even somebody who has read much, for that mater, let alone anybody who has written anything in any sort of academic or professional environment...


I don't find Islamophobia, ignorance, or infantile name-calling at all humorous.

How do you define Islamophobia?

 

[ratiocinator]

...I dislike Islam for what it is,a man made misogynistic cult...

Do you actually think any religion isn't "man made"? As for being misogynistic, that would be like much of Christianity (and some other religions), then. And, of course the crude generalisation is just more evidence of an irrational prejudice.

 

[ratiocinator]

How do you define Islamophobia?

See link to dictionary in #541.

 

[England my lionheart]

What a silly thing to say. The word has a perfectly good and valid dictionary definition, and it certainly looks as if it applies to you (and the rioters).

For apologists I guess it is,shows their willingness to stifle free speech.

I'm not at all emotional about them. It's just another small piece of evidence that your education wasn't as good as you claim (as if any more were really needed, beyond your irrational prejudices).

Oh yes you are,you have been amusing though but your pitiful personal attack is boring but apologists do seem that way,my advice go elsewhere and bore someone else .

 

[icehorse]

See link to dictionary in #541.

I want to understand what YOU think it means...

 

[ratiocinator]

For apologists I guess it is,shows their willingness to stifle free speech.

Pointing out that you appear to have an irrational prejudices is not stifling your right to express it. You are free to say as much irrational nonsense as you wish.

Oh yes you are...

Somebody else on the forum who thinks they're a mind-reader.

Yet more evidence of an inability to deal with things rationally. It's kind of comical that you come here with your clear irrational prejudices, an inability to distinguish between asylum seekers and immigration in general, and inept writing skills, and want us to believe that you've had a great education that included critical thinking.

Ho-hum.

 

[ratiocinator]

I want to understand what YOU think it means...

I don't tend to have my own personal definitions of the English language. I'm using it according to the widely accepted definition that you can find in English dictionaries.

 

[icehorse]

I don't tend to have my own personal definitions of the English language. I'm using it according to the widely accepted definition that you can find in English dictionaries.

Well the definition you provided is quite vague:

"unreasonable dislike or fear of, and prejudice against, Muslims or Islam:"

So when does a criticism of the ideas of Islam become "unreasonable" to you?

 

[Pawpatrol]

It is in chop chop square in Saudi arabia,of course we don’t stone or chop up people here ;-).

No, but you punish people with fines and imprisonment and that too is suppose to be painful. If it wasn't it wouldn't be a punishment.

I personally believe that there needs to be such punishments for the sake of order in society.

 

[England my lionheart]

Pointing out that you appear to have an irrational prejudices is not stifling your right to express it. You are free to say as much irrational nonsense as you wish.

Prove its “irrational”, Muhammed was a paedophile and authored the Quran is not irrational,it’s obvious.

Somebody else on the forum who thinks they're a mind-reader.

Yet more evidence of an inability to deal with things rationally. It's kind of comical that you come here with your clear irrational prejudices, an inability to distinguish between asylum seekers and immigration in general, and inept writing skills, and want us to believe that you've had a great education that included critical thinking.

Ho-hum.

West Ham v Man City is starting, I hope it’s going to more interesting than your posts .

Here’s a simple equation for you , immigration of for example is 1000 people , there’s is a shortage of housing , even before the immigrants get here so not all of them will get housed.

Hope you can keep up , then we get 1000 illegal migrants who have little to zero in money , no ID and we put them in hotels who once processed get 28 days to find somewhere to live , they are of course given some money.

So we do not have the money or resources to accommodate them , can you understand that? , so as I do most days is offer them a tent and sleeping bag , some food with a tin opener so yes all immigrants are a strain on resources.

 

[England my lionheart]

No, but you punish people with fines and imprisonment and that too is suppose to be painful. If it wasn't it wouldn't be a punishment.

I personally believe that there needs to be such punishments for the sake of order in society.

What the sharia hudud punishments? ,lol it would be like Monty pythons life of Brian.

Be thankful you can have a civil court or family court here which is like sharia without whipping stoning etc.

 

[ratiocinator]

So when does a criticism of the ideas of Islam become "unreasonable" to you?

I guess it can become unreasonable in many ways, but what seems to be the most common is to generalise the most extreme expressions and apply them to Muslims in general. It's a bit like characterising Christianity as being like the Westboro Baptist Church.

To be clear about this, I lived for three decades in perhaps the most Muslim area in the most Muslim city in the UK (Sparkhill in Birmingham), the end terrace house on one of the corners of the road I lived on was converted into a small mosque. My neighbours were kind, considerate, totally accepting of my lack of faith, the women were not locked up in their homes and freely socialised, the local shops were buzzing and vibrant (unlike many of the surrounding areas that were full of empty, betting, and charity shops). I loved it. Still miss it, even though I still live close by.

I also worked in Birmingham and Coventry and had many Muslim colleagues.

I just don't recognise the crude stereotypes that are used by @England my lionheart and others.

I'm heavily critical of all religions on an intellectual level. There are some incredibly troubling aspects to Christianity, for example, but that doesn't mean Christians are all defined by the nastiness in the bible, and the extremest, most fundamentalist interpretations of it.

 

[icehorse]

I guess it can become unreasonable in many ways, but what seems to be the most common is to generalise the most extreme expressions and apply them to Muslims in general. It's a bit like characterising Christianity as being like the Westboro Baptist Church.

To be clear about this, I lived for three decades in perhaps the most Muslim area in the most Muslim city in the UK (Sparkhill in Birmingham), the end terrace house on one of the corners of the road I lived on was converted into a small mosque. My neighbours were kind, considerate, totally accepting of my lack of faith, the women were not locked up in their homes and freely socialised, the local shops were buzzing and vibrant (unlike many of the surrounding areas that were full of empty, betting, and charity shops). I loved it. Still miss it, even though I still live close by.

I also worked in Birmingham and Coventry and had many Muslim colleagues.

I just don't recognise the crude stereotypes that are used by @England my lionheart and others.

I'm heavily critical of all religions on an intellectual level. There are some incredibly troubling aspects to Christianity, for example, but that doesn't mean Christians are all defined by the nastiness in the bible, and the extremest, most fundamentalist interpretations of it.

Thanks for your thoughtful answer.

Do you know the two things EVERY Muslim must profess to believe, and have you read the Quran?

The reason I ask is because I think Islam is a horrible set of ideas, and that for many Muslims, these bad ideas are like anchors in their lives.

 

[ratiocinator]

Here’s a simple equation for you , immigration of for example is 1000 people , there’s is a shortage of housing , even before the immigrants get here so not all of them will get housed.

Hope you can keep up , then we get 1000 illegal migrants who have little to zero in money , no ID and we put them in hotels who once processed get 28 days to find somewhere to live , they are of course given some money.

So we do not have the money or resources to accommodate them , can you understand that? , so as I do most days is offer them a tent and sleeping bag , some food with a tin opener so yes all immigrants are a strain on resources.

The vast majority of immigration to the UK is to fill jobs that would otherwise be vacant, and to study. They contribute to our economy, they are not a drain on it. The workers pay taxes, the students pay large tuition fees that subsidise UK students and keep our universities financially viable. They are not homeless. The shortage of housing is due to the incompetence of the last 14 years of Tory government, not migration.

Specifically, in the year to March 2024, there were an estimated 38,546 'irregular' arrivals (like the 'small boats') and 95,685 people arrived via legal routes for humanitarian reasons. In the same period, the government issued 315,018 work visas, 446,924 study visas, 79,384 family related visas, 129,029 people were granted the right to settle here, and 215,706 people were granted British citizenship.

Summary of latest statistics

www.gov.uk

 

[England my lionheart]

The vast majority of immigration to the UK is to fill jobs that would otherwise be vacant, and to study. They contribute to our economy, they are not a drain on it. The workers pay taxes, the students pay large tuition fees that subsidise UK students and keep our universities financially viable. They are not homeless. The shortage of housing is due to the incompetence of the last 14 years of Tory government, not migration.

Specifically, in the year to March 2024, there were an estimated 38,546 'irregular' arrivals (like the 'small boats') and 95,685 people arrived via legal routes for humanitarian reasons. In the same period, the government issued 315,018 work visas, 446,924 study visas, 79,384 family related visas, 129,029 people were granted the right to settle here, and 215,706 people were granted British citizenship.

Summary of latest statistics

www.gov.uk

By irregular you actually mean illegal,keir Starmer made that one up.

Ok , what I’ll do when an immigrant legal or otherwise comes in and I can’t help them find accommodation , offer them a tent sleeping bag and basic tinned food I’ll do what Kier Stalin does and ignore it’s a problem.

 

[England my lionheart]

Getting back to islamophobia , listen to the authoritarian , straight out of the Labour Party rule book , enjoy.

 

[Pawpatrol]

What the sharia hudud punishments? ,lol it would be like Monty pythons life of Brian.

Be thankful you can have a civil court or family court here which is like sharia without whipping stoning etc.

A Muslim would usually go to a Muslim judge in things like family issues. As for whipping and stoning, I don't intend to commit any crime that would lead to those.

All I see is that adultery, fornication and divorce (as well as pornography, drug use, and alcohol overconsumption) are all glamorized in your societies.

 

[icehorse]

Getting back to islamophobia , listen to the authoritarian , straight out of the Labour Party rule book , enjoy.

And... I wonder how they define "islamophobia" in clear, concrete terms?

My guess is that they'd be evasive and vague.

 

[England my lionheart]

And... I wonder how they define "islamophobia" in clear, concrete terms?

My guess is that they'd be evasive and vague.

Of course they will but in the Labour Party rule book they have tied it to racism,how they got to that when not all Muslims are the same ethnicity is mind boggling.

Here’s an excerpt

What is Islamophobia?

5. There is no single agreed definition of Islamophobia, albeit various civic, social, legal and political sources have attempted to define it. One definition is the All Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslim’s definition (APPG). The APPG defines Islamophobia as:

“… rooted in racism and is a type of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness”.