Race riots in England

[England my lionheart]

A Muslim would usually go to a Muslim judge in things like family issues. As for whipping and stoning, I don't intend to commit any crime that would lead to those.

All I see is that adultery, fornication and divorce (as well as pornography, drug use, and alcohol overconsumption) are all glamorized in your societies.

What,none of those things happen in Islam?,your kidding,even in the harshest place like afghanistan they have a massive heroin addiction problem , saying that though they also grow it.

I don’t know where you live but I don’t see that where I do , I don’t see adultery or consensual fornication as a crime,personally I don’t get “pornography” but it’s not a crime unless it breaches the rules.

Divorce,it’s hard to see that as a crime because people change with time , is it worth being unhappy in a relationship to stay the course.

Overconsumption is a choice but not a crime unless it leads to an actual crime like drinking under the influence , same for drugs.

 

[oldbadger]

Hatred is self destructive,I dislike Islam for what it is,a man made misogynistic cult,that’s my opinion.

I don't think so.
I've heard of extreme Muslims just as I've heard of racists,, but most Muslims I have known have not been extreme at all.
But you've painted them all with your brush of hate, I think?

Is there some deeper reason for your 'deep dislike' ? Why did you not have to attend prayers back in your school days? That must have been for some religious reason?

 

[Pawpatrol]

What,none of those things happen in Islam?,your kidding,even in the harshest place like afghanistan they have a massive heroin addiction problem , saying that though they also grow it.

I don’t know where you live but I don’t see that where I do , I don’t see adultery or consensual fornication as a crime,personally I don’t get “pornography” but it’s not a crime unless it breaches the rules.

Divorce,it’s hard to see that as a crime because people change with time , is it worth being unhappy in a relationship to stay the course.

Overconsumption is a choice but not a crime unless it leads to an actual crime like drinking under the influence , same for drugs.

Islam is not a place. It is a religion. I haven't been to many Muslim countries, but I didn't see any sign of alcohol, drugs or porn in Saudi Arabia. In any case they are at least forbidden.

While as you say, for you they are totally fine.

Your society is the filthy one.

 

[England my lionheart]

Islam is not a place. It is a religion. I haven't been to many Muslim countries, but I didn't see any sign of alcohol, drugs or porn in Saudi Arabia. In any case they are at least forbidden.

While as you say, for you they are totally fine.

Your society is the filthy one.

ATM it’s yours too , I’ve been to Dubai and Abu Dhabi , I would say neither are fun filled places , I love the sun though , it’s a thing that we love the desert and Arabs love our grass,the Horse kind of course.

 

[England my lionheart]

I don't think so.
I've heard of extreme Muslims just as I've heard of racists,, but most Muslims I have known have not been extreme at all.
But you've painted them all with your brush of hate, I think?

Errrm when did I say Muslims are extremists?, again , in case you missed it “I dislike Islam” is not “I hate Muslims “.

Is there some deeper reason for your 'deep dislike' ? Why did you not have to attend prayers back in your school days? That must have been for some religious reason?

Lol it’s not a “deep dislike”,there’s no deeper reason either,I guess the freedom of thought really took on with education,really it came down to I didn’t have to take part , I always remember the headmaster at assembly saying before the religious part “those who wish to leave us may leave now “, it was liberating.

There is no religious reason,some generations back in my family history were non conformists but my parents were and siblings are religious , no religious mystery here.

 

[ratiocinator]

By irregular you actually mean illegal,keir Starmer made that one up.

False. I extracted the information, including the terminology from that government website, and organised it into a summary on the 1st July (that's the date on the file I saved it to), so before the 4th July election.

Ok , what I’ll do when an immigrant legal or otherwise comes in and I can’t help them find accommodation...

First of all, people aren't going to come here for work or to study if there's no accommodation for them.

Secondly, it's Conservatives who created the asylum seeker backlog and the need for lots of temporary accommodation by refusing to process the 'illegal' arrivals, and they had been in government for 14 years, so, to the extent that there is a lack of accommodation, it's clear who is to blame.

Thirdly, if we stop immigration, who is going to fill all the posts in the NHS and the care sector that we currently need immigrants to fill? Who is going to fund our universities? Nasty Nigel keeps repeating the vacuous mantra of "zero net migration", but like all racist, obnoxious, ultra-right popularists, doesn't actually say how he'd do it. Specifically, how he'd stop the NHS and the care sector from collapsing, and most of the universities going bust without the income from overseas students.

Do you really think the last neo-popularist government would have been letting in hundreds of thousands of legal immigrants if they could see a way to stop it? The whole 'problem' exists because of 14 years of Tory incompetence. It's utterly absurd to blame the left, they've only been in power for a few months, FFS!

 

[England my lionheart]

False. I extracted the information, including the terminology from that government website, and organised it into a summary on the 1st July (that's the date on the file I saved it to), so before the 4th July election.

Well the terminology is wrong,the boats are illegal immigrants.

First of all, people aren't going to come here for work or to study if there's no accommodation for them.

Maybe not but in the cold light of day they are still a number.

Secondly, it's Conservatives who created the asylum seeker backlog and the need for lots of temporary accommodation by refusing to process the 'illegal' arrivals, and they had been in government for 14 years, so, to the extent that there is a lack of accommodation, it's clear who is to blame.

The Tories for all their faults which were many were blocked by the new civil service who forgot their job,they are a stumbling block to any solution.

Thirdly, if we stop immigration, who is going to fill all the posts in the NHS and the care sector that we currently need immigrants to fill? Who is going to fund our universities? Nasty Nigel keeps repeating the vacuous mantra of "zero net migration", but like all racist, obnoxious, ultra-right popularists, doesn't actually say how he'd do it. Specifically, how he'd stop the NHS and the care sector from collapsing, and most of the universities going bust without the income from overseas students.

I have no alliance to Farage,I have great respect fregardless of where they came from who work in the NHS and our universities are among the best in the world,and foreign students do make a great contribution,I do think though that we need to draw a line.

Do you really think the last neo-popularist government would have been letting in hundreds of thousands of legal immigrants if they could see a way to stop it? The whole 'problem' exists because of 14 years of Tory incompetence. It's utterly absurd to blame the left, they've only been in power for a few months, FFS!

They’ve only been in power 6 weeks and Starmer is minus 16 in popularity,first his government takes away the cold weather payment from the elderly but you can apply for it if your on pension credit,a state pension doesn’t apply.

Think on this,pension credit is for people who have gaps in their contributions,the state pension is for people who don’t.

Labour have only been in power for under two months but all they’ve achieved is laying the ground for a right wing government.

 

[oldbadger]

Well the terminology is wrong,the boats are illegal immigrants.

What would you do to end this problem?

 

[England my lionheart]

What would you do to end this problem?

Return them to France,even though the Rwanda plan was useless the threat of being sent there was a deterrent now we have nothing and a government who have no plans to tackle the boats.

 

[ratiocinator]

Return them to France,even though the Rwanda plan was useless the threat of being sent there was a deterrent now we have nothing and a government who have no plans to tackle the boats.

We can't legally do that any more, because of Brexit. Oh, the irony!

 

[oldbadger]

Return them to France,even though the Rwanda plan was useless the threat of being sent there was a deterrent now we have nothing and a government who have no plans to tackle the boats.

Oh dear!
Mr Farage looked really silly when he said that in telly!
And exactly what do you think the French authorities would say if a vessel tried landing people on beaches, at ports or airports? They would refuse entry.

Why do you think that the Conservative government spent many millions of pounds with Rwanda in Africa? And that was a really stupid dangerous and insecure idea as well.

Now exactly what are you going to do with immigrants arriving here on lorries, small boats and other routes? Don't forget that some will be seeking asylum for very good reasons.

 

[England my lionheart]

Oh dear!
Mr Farage looked really silly when he said that in telly!
And exactly what do you think the French authorities would say if a vessel tried landing people on beaches, at ports or airports? They would refuse entry.

Why do you think that the Conservative government spent many millions of pounds with Rwanda in Africa? And that was a really stupid dangerous and insecure idea as well.

Now exactly what are you going to do with immigrants arriving here on lorries, small boats and other routes? Don't forget that some will be seeking asylum for very good reasons.

The only way to stop it is at the border,only applications via the correct route will be accepted,all others immediate deportation to point of origin,sounds harsh but it’s the only way.

 

[ratiocinator]

The only way to stop it is at the border,only applications via the correct route will be accepted,all others immediate deportation to point of origin,sounds harsh but it’s the only way.

Why would we even want to stop genuine asylum seekers? It's not 'harsh' it's inhuman and illegal under international law.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The only way to stop it is at the border,only applications via the correct route will be accepted,all others immediate deportation to point of origin,sounds harsh but it’s the only way.

It is not certain that will work, because it relies on the country accepting that these people enter that country. You know the sovereignty of a country is not only relevant for the UK.

 

[England my lionheart]

Why would we even want to stop genuine asylum seekers? It's not 'harsh' it's inhuman and illegal under international law.

Then I would ask why the haven’t asked for asylum on their way here,mainland Europe has more than one country so why come here if they are truly seeking asylum?.

 

[ratiocinator]

Then I would ask why the haven’t asked for asylum on their way here,mainland Europe has more than one country so why come here if they are truly seeking asylum?.

All sorts of reasons. Many have family connections or there is an already established community here, or they speak the language, or they worked with our military in Afghanistan and we owe them, perhaps they actually trust in (real) British values and actually want to live here.

Before Brexit, there were deals that meant we could send people back to EU countries. After the insanity that was Brexit, we can't do that any more without making bilateral deals with individual countries or trying to make a deal with the EU as a whole.

People like you made Brexit happen. You've made your own bed with that problem - live with it.

 

[England my lionheart]

All sorts of reasons. Many have family connections or there is an already established community here, or they speak the language, or they worked with our military in Afghanistan and we owe them, perhaps they actually trust in (real) British values and actually want to live here.

No doubt Afghanistanis who helped us should be welcomed , we’re not like Pakistan who deported 1.5 million Afghanistanis to the loving arms of the Taliban , most were there for 10 years btw.

Before Brexit, there were deals that meant we could send people back to EU countries. After the insanity that was Brexit, we can't do that any more without making bilateral deals with individual countries or trying to make a deal with the EU as a whole.

I think this is incorrect , the EU must take some blame , free movement was a stupid idea to start with , another blunder made by Merkel , she opened the gates to , get this , over a million unknowns into Europe so blaming Brexit is right.

People like you made Brexit happen. You've made your own bed with that problem - live with it.

Don’t worry, Starmer was always willing to overturn Brexit , he will of course try to sneak back in but I doubt he’ll be around that long.

 

[Pawpatrol]

Then I would ask why the haven’t asked for asylum on their way here,mainland Europe has more than one country so why come here if they are truly seeking asylum?.

Most likely because they wanted to. A refugee isn't obliged to choose the nearest place to seek refuge in.

Besides it's not as if they can ALL just stay in Turkey and Greece.

 

[ratiocinator]

No doubt Afghanistanis who helped us should be welcomed...

Not by the last government who was still going to send them to Rwanda.

MPs again reject Lords’ plan to protect Afghan heroes from deportation to Rwanda

Rwanda Bill will now return to the Lords with ministers promising flights will take off ‘within weeks’

www.independent.co.uk

I think this is incorrect , the EU must take some blame , free movement was a stupid idea to start with...

Why? And BTW you can blame the increased number of Muslim immigrants (that you seem not to like) on Brexit too. When it was easy to recruit from the EU (mostly Christian or secular), there was no need to look further afield.

Don’t worry, Starmer was always willing to overturn Brexit , he will of course try to sneak back in but I doubt he’ll be around that long.

I doubt it, but I really hope he does. The majority of people in the UK seem to have realised what a cluster**** it was and want to rejoin.

Britons would vote to rejoin the EU | YouGov

‘Bregret’ stands at highest level recorded to date

yougov.co.uk

 

[ratiocinator]

I think this is incorrect

The UK migrant dilemma - it's all about Brexit

Why is the UK government currently focusing on migrants - and what are the options for ministers?

www.bbc.co.uk