ppp
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As you provided neither reasons, nor reasoning,, I refer you back to my previous post.
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Reasons To Believe In Yeshua/Jesus Christ Our Lord
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ppp
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May I peel you a grape?
Audie
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Perhaps you'd like me to send you
a winter dragon? You may not have any there.
And they hate it in steamy Singapore.
I was a Temple going Mormon for decades. They deny Unitarian and Trinitarian beliefs. They think God was once like man. They believe god is flesh and bone. They believe god is NOT Jesus. They are wholly distinct entities. They don’t believe in Annihilation or hellfire. They believe the most righteous get their own planets and become their own gods. They deny the Nicene creed. The list goes on and on.
ppp
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Neither did the Arians or the Cathars. Unitarians. JWs..
ChatGPT says Christadelphians amd Oneness Pentecostals also fit. But I know nothing about them.
Church of God, JWs and Unitarians.
ChatGPT says Christadelphians amd Oneness Pentecostals also fit. But I know nothing about them.
Unique to LDS
Well, the LDS do have the sons of perdition. But that may be a quibble. The Universalists and Menonites don't adhere to those things either.
UNique to LDS. And the only part of the LDS that I find to be ... fun.
JWs, Arians, and Unitarians.
ChatGPT says Christadelphians amd Oneness Pentecostals also fit. But I know nothing about them.
It's hard to figure the borders of Christianity.
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YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Here is where I get involved. Maybe. I will simply say that you and I are alive because, generally speaking, a man and a woman got together and the woman got pregnant. Questions? Are there questions? Of course -- but that is the general principle.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
ah, you bring up George Carlin. Sad story about him. He can joke about it, but humans in general are pretty concerned about death.
I am a 63-year-old former "born again" Christian (Holy Roller). I have recently concluded the following: Blind faith is a SCAM, the Bible is an ancient book of mythology that is manipulative, contains gas lighting and was written by anonymous people. MUCH of Scripture appears to be anonymous people simply trying to rationalize their beliefs, which were NOT founded on any verifiable evidence. The Bible is NOT an accurate history book. It is a carefully amalgamated book of truth and fiction. It is loaded with contradictions, convoluted ambiguity, manipulations, gaslighting, superstitions & fictions. Many thousands of people worldwide seem to agree with me on this. My statement is based on the past 63 years of critical thinking, education, exploration, and experience with religion including Bible studies, sermons, prayer, Peter Parker debates (streamed live on TikTok since October 2022) & the late comedian/philosopher George Carlin.
ppp
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Others you say are not Christians.
Subduction Zone
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YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
At one point I believe a definition of what is a Christian could be considered.
ppp
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It is not a matter of my agreeing. It is a matter of my having insufficient evidence to disagree. I am generally going to take people at their word about the nature of their own beliefs. How many times have I had people who claim to be Christians telling me thht other people who claim to be Christians are not real Christians? Dozens. If not hundreds. The world is full of people who are trying to be the Gatekeepers of Christianity.
ppp
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Being a Mormon, or ex-Mormon, gives you expertise in Mormon beliefs. It does not give you the authority to define what is or is not a Christian.
I fully acknowledge that there may be some still-secret Mormon beliefs that would disconfirm their public claim to be Christians. But until I know that secret, I cannot evaluate it.
And you have authority to define what is or is not a Christian? Arrogant much?
Like I said, words have meaning. If I give you a strawberry, but call it chocolate, is my description valid?
The broadest definition of “Christian” is “believer of Christ.” But if the “Christ” I believe in is drastically different than what that word means then I’m an imposter. For example, if I change my name to Christ and start my own church with wild non-Biblical teachings, are my followers properly called Christians?
As for secrets, Mormons have secret code words, secret handshakes, and secret ceremonies, none of which are Bible-based. Further evidence that they are not Christian.
ppp
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I believe that I said that I generally accept people's words for what they are. I am not telling them what they are. I am not accepting your word for what someone else is. Mormons tell me they are Christian, so I take their word for it. Baptists tell me they are Christian, so I take their word for it. Pentacostals. Catholics. Moravians. Quakers. Bob down the street.
What is arrogant about that?
Have there a near unanimous consensus on what strawberry is? Chocolate? If so, then the situation is not analogous.
The broadest definition of Christian is
So Very Much of Christianity is not Bible based.
The Doctrin of the Trinity (Nicea) an dthe Hypostatic Union (Chalcedon sp?). Purgatory. Original Sin. Prosperity Gospel. Speaking in Tounges. The story of the Adulturous Woman. Snake handling. Infant Baptism.
Arguably, the trinity.
Speaking of which, one avenue that you might have chosen to press your point is that the Mormons are effectively henotheistic. They do not worship other gods, but they do acknowledge the existence of other gods. Which means that they are not strictly monotheistic. Which runs counter to both Christianity and Judaism.
But, of course, early Judaism was henotheistic (monolatrists) and an argument could be made that the Mormons are returning to their roots.
Does it really matter if we call Mormons, Christians? What's the big deal?
Probably a big deal to Christians. I guess you have no use for language and fraud. So be it.I believe that I said that I generally accept people's words for what they are. I am not telling them what they are. I am not accepting your word for what someone else is. Mormons tell me they are Christian, so I take their word for it. Baptists tell me they are Christian, so I take their word for it. Pentacostals. Catholics. Moravians. Quakers. Bob down the street.
What is arrogant about that?
Have there a near unanimous consensus on what strawberry is? Chocolate? If so, then the situation is not analogous.
The broadest definition of Christian is
So Very Much of Christianity is not Bible based.
The Doctrin of the Trinity (Nicea) an dthe Hypostatic Union (Chalcedon sp?). Purgatory. Original Sin. Prosperity Gospel. Speaking in Tounges. The story of the Adulturous Woman. Snake handling. Infant Baptism.
Arguably, the trinity.
Speaking of which, one avenue that you might have chosen to press your point is that the Mormons are effectively henotheistic. They do not worship other gods, but they do acknowledge the existence of other gods. Which means that they are not strictly monotheistic. Which runs counter to both Christianity and Judaism.
But, of course, early Judaism was henotheistic (monolatrists) and an argument could be made that the Mormons are returning to their roots.
Does it really matter if we call Mormons, Christians? What's the big deal?