Quran is realistic. We can talk ideally, but I think realism is a true theory proven in political science. It's just the truth. Like it or not, it's the reality.
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Regarding Islamic terrorism, what does 'radicalized' mean?
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I have to say, I take huge issue with this.
Independently of my own reservations, it is necessary to ask whether a doctrine with such a cynical streak even qualifies as a religion, or should qualify.
Shadow Wolf
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No **** the terrorists are deluded enough to think their violence gets them a reward. Such zealots of any religion or ideology are dangerous.
How about something that isn't trying to bash Muslisms?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Right, and that was awful by the way.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Then take out those specific words. It shouldn't be hard.
Augustus
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Wow, we have both of the official arbiters who get to decide the One True Religion on the same internet forum.
What are the odds on that, eh? Lucky us.
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
It all has to do with politics.
When Khomeini was the leader before Khamenei, I remember they always shouted "Death to Soviet union "
But once Khomeini died, Khamenei had a new policy.
It is said that, Khamenei used to go to university in Russia.
The whole story is that, Regimes like Islamic of Iran, must have a "Story" or a "Narrative" for people inside Iran, in order to justify their ruling over people.
Their story is like, "We are the representative of God and the 12th Imam, and thus have given a holy mission to us by God. Our mission is to fight with enemies of Islam".
Now, in order to practice this :Manifesto", they need to have an enemy so, they can show they are fighting with the enemy of Islam. So, they came up with this idea, that, let's say, Westerners and Israel are the enemies of Islam.
Most People don't know this politics, and where it came from.
@stevecanuck seems to be one such people.
But @stevecanuck , people like @Link are following misinterpretations of the Quran.
there is nothing in the Quran that tells Muslims to go and fight with other countries if they are disbelievers. Muhammad and His followers were oppressed. They needed to defend themselves. Such verses, are meant for that time.
But people like Khamenei and Hassan Nasrallah are oppressors themselves. They have been oppressing their own people. They do not care about peope at all.
Let me ask a question from @Link
You know that China has been oppressing the Chinese Muslims. Why Khamenei or Hassan Nasrallah have been silent about it?
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Yes and God guides regarding that and regarding issues of security and safety.
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
Anybody can claim that. How do you know God is on Khamenei and Hassan Nassrullah's side?
True which is why everyone needs to pray to be guided by God and the guide of the time which is Imam Mahdi. Through him a person will know what is going on really and what they as individuals can do.
Allah will help who help him and will abandon whoever abandons him.
You can make a topic about it. I don’t think they oppress Muslims at all.
And you care? Right.. Reminds of when Imam Ali (a) was killed in prayer, Mauwiya's people were like, I thought Ali (a) didn't pray (that's how bad propaganda against him was).
Why?
stevecanuck
Well-Known Member
Verse 9:111 is very clear. Your claim is simply not true - "Arberry: God has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of God; they kill, and are killed".
What else could that possibly mean?
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
From Wikipedia:
Since 2014, the Chinese government has committed a series of ongoing human rights abuses against Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang which has often been characterized as persecution or as genocide.
Persecution of Uyghurs in China - Wikipedia
Make a topic about it and I will respond to it.From Wikipedia:
Since 2014, the Chinese government has committed a series of ongoing human rights abuses against Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang which has often been characterized as persecution or as genocide.
Persecution of Uyghurs in China - Wikipedia
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InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
off course I do.
i don't oppress anyone.
I don't know what you mean. Anyways..
You take side against oppressed. Maybe you don't oppress but you support oppressors.
Imam Jewad (a) says "three are partners, the oppressors, the supporter, and the watcher (does nothing)".
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
If it wasn't because of men like Khamenei and Nasseullah, the Palatininans and Jews would have been friends and lived together peacefully and equally. It is such leaders who always caused disunity between human beings, otherwise normal citizens are peaceful themselves regardless of their ethnicity or religions.