What a load of ****.
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Regarding Islamic terrorism, what does 'radicalized' mean?
- Thread starter stevecanuck
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Muslims should take note to what Western people did to natives. This will happen to us if we don't fight back. Don't believe their in their slogans of human rights, they simple use that same way they used "bringing civilization" to Natives and did same in other lands.
Humans will never be peaceful and can't be trusted. Realism theory in political science is true fact of life. The only time there will be peace is when Imam Mahdi (a) government leaves no trace of any other power. That's it. Till then, we can't trust humans to be peaceful. Peace if people incline to it, sure, yes, Quran says that. But not to let our guards down.
And Israel is a freemason plot to subdue Muslims. It must be end if we hope to overthrow dictators and establish our own governments in the region. Or if we wish for a united Muslim nation again.
Humans will never be peaceful and can't be trusted. Realism theory in political science is true fact of life. The only time there will be peace is when Imam Mahdi (a) government leaves no trace of any other power. That's it. Till then, we can't trust humans to be peaceful. Peace if people incline to it, sure, yes, Quran says that. But not to let our guards down.
And Israel is a freemason plot to subdue Muslims. It must be end if we hope to overthrow dictators and establish our own governments in the region. Or if we wish for a united Muslim nation again.
InvestigateTruth
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I traveled to Isreal once some years ago. I saw Muslim Arabs living there and working there together with Jews.
I remember I went to a Restaurant and asked the waiters :what's your religion. He replied Islam. I also went to city of Akka. There were many Muslims there. They had a mosque too.
I don't mean to defend the Israeli government, but they never started any of the wars. It was always the Arabs who stated it, and when they were defeated, they lost some lands as well.
May Allah (swt) curse me forever if this is true and curse you forever if not.
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
No need to curse anyone. If you have information that suggests otherwise, feel free to share.
My understanding is, in that land, the Jews were living for some thousands of years. And when Christ appeared in that Land, the Jews rejected Christ and plotted darkly against Him, till He was finally crucified. About 1-2 centuries after that, the Jews went through some wars with their enemies. They were defeated and had to be exiled. I see that as their punishment for what they had done with their Messiah. Thus the land of Isreal became the place of struggle and wars after that. It fell in the hands of the other empires for centuries. Then, Muhammad appeared in the Land of Hijaz, and the Ummah of Islam was created. The Muslims conquered the Holy land. It was under their feet for centuries untill at last it was under the control of Khalifa of Uthmanis. In those days, the Holy Land was completely a ruined place. It was one of the worst places on earth. A complete destruction and worst weather.
Then in the late 19th or early 20th century, the Uthmanis were defeated In WW1. therefore they lost their control over the Holy Land. At that time, the Jews saw, they won't be Persecuted anymore if they go back.. thus, the Jews who were living in Europe and other contries, returned to the same Land, and gathered in one Land together.
I see this as the fulfillment of the Prophecy of the Akhirah (وعد الأخره).
The Jews gradually returned and they also purchased some of the lands from Palestinians. Some decades later, the Israeli government was established.
Now, certain Muslim leaders, started to bring up, the idea that, this land is for Muslims. They encouraged other Arabs to go to war with Isreal. They tried several times, but everytime they were defeated. I see that as per God's Will. If God wanted the land to be given to Muslims again, He would have assisted them, as the Muslims tried.
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Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
To avoid any confusion or taking things to the extreme.
firedragon
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People come up with strange words to explain away things. Islamist, Jihadist, Radical, etc, etc. To me from within the theology, they don't mean anything. Only those who are looking at these things from outside see the theology through their biased lens make their subjective sense of these terms.
I know for a fact that when the British colonized countries, rebels were called "terrorists". This word is like water that fits any vessel. Thrown at people like the word is a harlot. I remember a Hindu gentleman telling me that the British called their rebels by the term terrorist or "theevaravadhi" and the Indians in the south adopted that word and romanticized it. It became an honorific term.
The term "Islamic terrorism" makes no sense to most Muslims in the world. To me, it's just absurd. The LRA is a Christian group. They are terrorist. But no one calls it "Christian terrorism". Not even Muslims do that. Because it's a stupid term. One of the most dangerous terrorist groups to have ever existed were the LTTE in Asia. It was based on atheistic, Leninist values or indoctrination based on those values. No one called that "Atheistic Terrorism". The media has ruined a lot of people's thinking ability.
It's absurd.
It's chanted, but Khamanei (h) has clarified what they mean by it. So the fact he's clarified it should mean confusion is avoided.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Well, it's clearly not.
There is about 100 people deciding all the wars and coups and trying to control the world. Presidents have little say in what is decided.
Kennedy was killed because he talked about the shadow society by this very apparatus.
I think Raisi was killed. I think the Iranian government now will try to overthrow Khamenei (h) and I think the reformists were part of this plot. I think Sipah is hiding evidence for now, but will show it in the right time, that this occurred.
West will make it as if Iranian regime is shutting off all opposition and killing the democratic process. There's been more then 50 coups by US covertly where they deny they are involved around the world.
I think there will be a mass killing of reformist politicians in Iran, but it has to happen. If not, all hope of justice for oppressed and freedom of Muslims in the middle-east will be lost.
I think Iranian government is going to annihilate a significant amount of people in their population. But it has to happen. Rasool (s) did similar when a certain group betrayed him over and over again.
The propaganda will reach a climax against Iran when this happens. But if there was a conspiracy, it has to be dealt with.
1) Obviously
Deluded extremists at either end using each other's patently false understanding to justify themselves....
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
I find it funny how you compare, Muhammad, the Messenger of God, with Iranian self appointed leader, whose name neither is mentioned in Quran, or Hadith. You have twelve Infallibles, remember that. Not 13 or 14 or more.
Let me make a prediction, and we come back in this thread 5 years later, and see if it came true.
The Iranian Government will not rule more than 50 years. So far 45 is passed.
There will be great wars between them and Isreal and USAs. They will be defeated, and loose control.
Then, they will try one more revolt to gain control. This time, a significant number of their Army are killed. The rest will scape and exiled to other contries, just like what happened to Jews 2000 years ago, Then, that's it for the Islamic Government of Iran.
Anything that has a beginning, will have an End. No exceptions, except for God Himself.
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stevecanuck
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What's absurd is that not matter how obvious these islamic terrorists try to make it that they are ISLAMIC terrorists, people still try to find ways to deny that they are.
Take Hamas for example. Their 1988 charter could not be more obvious:
Article Five:
Time extent of the Islamic Resistance Movement: By adopting Islam as its way of life, the Movement goes back to the time of the birth of the Islamic message, of the righteous ancestor, for Allah is its target, the Prophet is its example and the Koran is its constitution.
Augustus
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This is perhaps the least true of all things you have ever posted here.
"The legacy of one man is ruining the world"? "There won’t be peace until…"?
There won’t be peace regardless. Look at the past 500 years of world history and it is hardly a story of “violent Muslims” and peaceful non-Muslims. Ditto if we look at the past 1500 years.
If this "one man" had never existed where precisely do you think that significantly greater amounts of "peace" would have prevailed? The Roman empire? The Persian Empire? The Chinese Empire? The Mongol Empire? Would the Vikings, Normans, Native Americans, Franks and Turks have been peaceful? Were the European Empires simply copying Muhammad's example? The Nazis and Communists?
In the modern world, Europeans have been the most violent. This was because of the fact that they were more "advanced" and made more "progress". Becoming "civilised" and "scientific" didn't make them more peaceful, just gave them a different reason to use violence to forward their own interests.
Every single Muslim could apostatise tomorrow and the likelihood is that the world would not be any closer to peace than at any other time in its history.
Humans are just violent. Not because of Muslims, infidels, Freemason, Jews, white supremacists, capitalists, communists, atheists or any other group of bogeymen. A very diverse species with differing needs, wants and expectations will always find things to quarrel about, and develop ideologies that justify their own righteousness when using violence to pursue their own ends.
If Mo had never existed perhaps the world would have been slightly more violent, perhaps slightly less violent but almost certainly it would have been pretty much as violent as it turned out.
stevecanuck
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Oh fer chrissakes take a breath.
How is it not obvious that I'm talking about peace with Muslims, and not the whole freakin' world?
How will there be peace when the very people who killed J. F. Kennedy because he talked about a shadow society control all the decisions of US foreign policy? How can there be peace when your government is involved in more then 50 coups?
There will only be peace when people are truthful to themselves. As long as people want to deceive themselves they are righteous, free, and peaceful, while all proofs show the opposite, then deceivers lead by Satan will continue to cause mischief.
US foreign policy has been awful for the world.
I see God as the security giver on earth. Without his forces, and some humans repelling other humans, there won't be a Mosque nor Church nor Synagogue standing. I believe the Quran is realistic about this, and we already see France forbidding Hijaab. We see also some political groups in Europe talking about outlawing the Quran.
Freemasons to me are the problem. Not all of them, but the elite of them. But when it comes to foreign policy, it's about 100 people controlling it all. Presidents have little say into that.
I believe most of Bani-Israel became freemasons. Not Jews. The Quran says this when it says they followed what is attributed to Sulaiman (a) of sorcery. That book is the key of the Solomon and maybe another book as well.
They became Magog and Gog is the Taghut/Jibt.
People can pretended Freemasons don't control a lot, but they do.
Quran says "Gog and Magog will come falling from every high place", this to me means not literal physical high places, but positions of influence.
The final Gog is the Dajjal that Isa (a) will kill.
Peace has never been a state of the world, because people reject God's chosen kings. There is no hope for world peace for me without the Mahdi (a).
stevecanuck
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Among Shiite Muslims, it's not. But I have heard this twice in my whole life, from two Afghans both Sunni. Not exactly the "admired" but that he should have finished the job. I condemned both of them when they said it. Haven't heard it from anyone else and I have a lot of Muslim friends.