Relationship between Judaism and Christianity

[CynthiaCypher]

They testify he walked on water


He lived in a desert, and was often homeless like John who ate bugs and honey is that unclean?


Trust me, if you ever viewed first century Nazareth you would understand unclean.

Even Sepphoris you could smell 5 miles away.





You do not know this.


There is no reason why he would not be a typical Galilean Zealot.

Ill trust Reza Aslan over you, that and my own study.

Even the encyclopedias call Galileans all Zealots.

What we have to go on is the written record we have of him and not your baseless speculations which come from your dismal imagination.

Capiche?

 

[outhouse]

The NT was written to and for Romans and Hellenist in the Empire who never wanted to follow jewish law in the first place. But wanted one god in the sky. Not the corrupt politician also labeled "son of god"


Do you think they would create their god to mirror them, or Judaism? Knowing they wanted to be called anything else but a Jew.

Are they going to say jesus went to the temple because of the Hellenistic corruption in the temple because of those Romans who oppressed us to the point of starvation?

Were they going to say how Pilate butchered Jesus, and that Romans were guilty of murdering god?

 

[outhouse]

What we have to go on is the written record we have of him and not your baseless speculations which come from your dismal imagination.

Capiche?

What we have is your lack of knowledge on this subject.


The written record contains mythology and is not historically accurate.

he walked on water
Jews killed Jesus
Romans are innocent
He made 1 trip to temple in one book, no he made many in another.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

What we have is your lack of knowledge on this subject.


The written record contains mythology and is not historically accurate.

he walked on water
Jews killed Jesus
Romans are innocent
He made 1 trip to temple in one book, no he made many in another.

What we have is you talking out of your *** on the subject. Making **** up and talking out of your *** does not make you an expert on the subject. It just means you like to talk b***s*** and pretend you know ****.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

And don't bother reply because like the other several hundred people on here I put you on ignore.

 

[outhouse]

What we have is you talking out of your *** on the subject. Making **** up and talking out of your *** does not make you an expert on the subject. It just means you like to talk b***s*** and pretend you know ****.

The fact you have not, nor cannot, refute a word I stated is all the evidence we need of your lack of knowledge here.

You stepped in it, not me.

Matt. 15:1-3 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!" Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?

We are talking about the Pharasaic oral law, or code of interpretation, not the actual law

Pharasaic interpretation of what constituted a broken law, and what was a broken law are 3 different things.



There were 4 major groups of Jews, all with their own VERSION of Judaism, and all adhering to those traditions, DIFFEERNTLY. They were not actual laws all Jews had to follow.

And to your ignorance in all of this, they had ways around certain traditions.

Picking corn in a field not yours, as stated was actually OK and not breaking a tradition. But you have no clue, and are appealing to ignorance here.

You could not put vinegar on a tooth for a toothache, but you could but vinegar in your food.

These ancient traditions were not fixed and they were not absolute

And it ignores the sheer diversity of first century Judaism

 

[outhouse]

And don't bother reply because like the other several hundred people on here I put you on ignore.

Ignorance hates knowledge, I know.

I have 5 tops by the way, not hundreds, I have 7 or 8 on ignore myself.



You can always tell the weakness of ones arguments, by how they avoid the topic altogether and start attacking the messenger after failing to attack the message

 

[outhouse]

I understand how a religion that was founded by a person who contravened and refuted Jewish Law could ever be considered a Jewish sect. .

Because he was Jewish. As Jewish as anyone could be.

In fact, more of a Jew then the Hellenist Jews who were known to break tradition.


Historicity of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

t most scholars agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jew who was born between 7-4BC and died 30–36 AD


Do you understand the term here? "Galilean Jew"


Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Modern scholars agree that Jesus was a Jew of first-century Palestine.[279][280][281] The term Jew (Ioudaios in New Testament Greek), in the contemporary context may refer to religion (Second Temple Judaism), ethnicity (of Judea), or both.[283] However, in a review of the state of modern scholarship, Amy-Jill Levine writes that the entire question of ethnicity is "fraught with difficulty," and that "beyond recognizing that 'Jesus was Jewish', rarely does the scholarship address what being 'Jewish' means".[284

 

[TheKnight]

That really is a stretch. Especially considering that there is very few Jews that understand Christian theological constructs and philosophical underpinnings.

I'll go ahead and go out on a limb on this but I'm fairly certain the Christians do more reading of Judaism then Jews do about Christianity. Just a thought.

I'm sorry, but modern Christianity and modern Judaism are very different from one another. Anyone who's done any kind of depthful study into both will tell you the same. While there are similarities in practice, there are major philosophical disagreements that are irreconcilable.


If we limit ourselves to similarities found within the texts, I would argue that the gospels (save for John) portray Jesus as an odd flavor of Jew. Not quite a proponent of Pharisaic Judaism as we know it today, but not necessarily something radically different from other Jewish ideas at the time.

The Ebionites have not history dating back to Jesus apostles or any early followers.


While it is hard to prove anything from that era, a complete lack of evidence does line up probabilities, of what may or may not have happened.


We know Jesus took over Johns movement and that Jesus was taught by John.

And the gospels try and hide this.

So it is 100% plausible that the NT and parables attributed to Jesus are in fact, Johns parables and teachings, as well as other Galilean typical parables.

Interesting. I've never thought of it this way.

Ummm... the moment Jesus opened his mouth.

Jesus didn't make any claims advocating complete divorce from Judaism.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Jesus didn't make any claims advocating complete divorce from Judaism.

He didn't? I don't think you have ever read the Sermon of the Mount. He is contravening Mosaic Law in it.

 

[outhouse]

Interesting. I've never thought of it this way.




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It just came to me a month or two ago.


I see no reason why not to include Johns movement or Galilean in general to what is attributed to Jesus.

The information he is said to have actually said, did not originate with him. It was taught to him.

As stated he went from a low life hand worker one step above a beggar, to a man of wisdom and insight, in just a few short years.


Somewhere the math needs tweaking.

 

[outhouse]

He didn't? I don't think you have ever read the Sermon of the Mount. He is contravening Mosaic Law in it.

The Sermon on the mount is considered a literary creation by all credible scholars.


These parables loose all meaning if blurted out one after another. They need to be stated one by one, and listened to and digested or thought about.

They are a collection of sayings and parables.

We have two different books with two different sermons, and two different locations.


It is not historical. It is said to be a parallel to the Emperors divinity who actually did speak to large crowds. You know the Emperor whop first held the "son of god" title.

 

[TheKnight]

It just came to me a month or two ago.


I see no reason why not to include Johns movement or Galilean in general to what is attributed to Jesus.

The information he is said to have actually said, did not originate with him. It was taught to him.

As stated he went from a low life hand worker one step above a beggar, to a man of wisdom and insight, in just a few short years.


Somewhere the math needs tweaking.

It certainly changes the way you look at things. I'd have to do an in-depth stuff of it to really make a conclusion. Unfortunately, I'm not that interested in Christianity. But if you end up being able to reach some conclusive results (I'm assuming you haven't already studied this in depth, if you have I apologize) I'd be interested in hearing abotu them.

He didn't? I don't think you have ever read the Sermon of the Mount. He is contravening Mosaic Law in it.

Clearly you're not familiar with "Mosaic Law." There are ways of looking at what Jesus taught that wouldn't not place him far outside the realm of Judaism.

And even if what he taught was different, it wouldn't mean that he advocated divorce from Judaism.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And don't bother reply because like the other several hundred people on here I put you on ignore.

Smart move.

 

[outhouse]

Smart move.

Sadly not everyone wants to learn or advance their knowledge.

I have a lot to still learn.

 

[outhouse]

But if you end up being able to reach some conclusive results (I'm assuming you haven't already studied this in depth, if you have I apologize) I'd be interested in hearing abotu them.

I have studied some. I would like to do more.

Unfortunately, there is not information to go on, to make any determination with certainty.

What the majority of scholars believe, does point to that picture though.

I Galilean tekton being known as a handworker getting work when he could was one step above a beggar, as were his fishermen friends.

A good education would be out of the question, and by all accounts, John was no better. Living outside, living off the land avoiding the Hellenistic Jews and corruption in Sepphoris and Tiberius. John wore clothes of the most poverty stricken, and his diet matched.

We have no indication of any sort of other training, leaving these teachings to be Galilean teachings that probably of Zealots, more so then one mans teachings.

 

[paarsurrey]

Relationship between Judaism and Christianity

The relationship is of being “Chosen Ones” and of the “original sin”.
Am I right ?

Please correct me if I am wrong.

The Jewish corrupt clergy mislead, diverted and or distracted people from the truthful teachings of Moses under cover of the concept of being "Chosen One" which had no racial connotation but was only relevant for the righteous.

The Christian clergy did the same thing under cover of the creed of "Original Sin" and mislead the people from the true teachings of Jesus and Moses.

Regards

 

[roger1440]

The great issue is that Jews have always mixed up culture (or nationality) with religion. They are two different things.
Christians don't have this problem. A Christian can be from any part of the world. They can be Spanish, Japanese, Africans etc etc
Muslims don't have this problem either.

By the way, it would be a honor that a Russian considered themselves Sicilian.

Let me understand this. The Jews have “problems”, “issues” and are “mixed up”. Thank God for Christians to explain this to them. What’s up with those Jews? You would think they would be more thankful.


Judaism is a tribal religion. Anyone born of the tribe of the Jews automatically gets a free membership card to Judaism. One must be born of a Jewish mother, according to Jewish orthodoxy. Christianity is different in regard to membership.

 

[outhouse]

Let me understand this. The Jews have “problems”, “issues” and are “mixed up”. Thank God for Christians to explain this to them. What’s up with those Jews? You would think they would be more thankful.


Judaism is a tribal religion. Anyone born of the tribe of the Jews automatically gets a free membership card to Judaism. One must be born of a Jewish mother, according to Jewish orthodoxy. Christianity is different in regard to membership.

You added nothing of value to this thread.

We already are well aware of your bias.

 

[outhouse]

Am I right ?

No

Please correct me if I am wrong.

No, I don't waist time on people who only use hatred of other religions as a tool.