Relationship between Judaism and Christianity

[sojourner]

Well, Muslims claim that Jesus is one of the main five prophets of Islam. When they say that, I don't accuse them "of appropriating Christian culture".
Au contraire, it's a honor for a Christian, and I am really happy to hear it.

You would be...

inasmuch as it completely circumvents who Jesus is, which you don't seem to grasp at any rate.

 

[Tarheeler]

It's been my experience that much of what Jews confront as Christianity is mostly Protestantism. They aren't familiar with liturgical Christianity (Catholics and Eastern Orthodox mostly) and how that in any way has to do with Jewish Tradition.

But what does that have to do with my post (regarding what Christians learn about Judaism), and how does it tie into your comment that "perhaps from [my] estimation, they probably didn't know a thing about being a Jew"?

 

[Estro Felino]

It is not that Jews are "mixing up culture/nationality with religion." It is that you don't seem to understand that they sometimes all those things can be deeply interconnected in a single identity.

I certainly understand that. And I deeply respect that. The problem is in the past, people were so ignorant and wicked that persecuted the Jews for not understanding this concept-

The Christians who persecuted the Jews were Christians only by name. But not in spirit and truth.
And they are not in Heaven. I'm sorry to say, that they are in Hell, now

because whoever hurts the neighbor, will never see the light of God in the afterlife

 

[Tarheeler]

...
The Christians who persecuted the Jews were Christians only by name. But not in spirit and truth.
And they are not in Heaven. I'm sorry to say, that they are in Hell, now
...

Ah, the good ol' No True Scotsman.

Always a fan favorite. :yes:

 

[Quagmire]

I think the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is pretty much the same as the relationship between Christianity and Mormonism:

The latter self-identifies with the former but the former would rather they didn't.

 

[outhouse]

Yahweh is not the One God.

To whom is the question.

He is to some.

 

[Levite]

Ah, the good ol' No True Scotsman.

Always a fan favorite. :yes:

Yup. Oy vey...

 

[CynthiaCypher]

To whom is the question.

He is to some.

Well not to me.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

So it is practically impossible that a Christian can hate a Jew.
Impossible. Is it so difficult to understand this concept?

Christianity and antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anti-Judaism in early Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jewish deicide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Rhineland massacres - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Medieval antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Martin Luther - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Judensau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Spanish Inquisition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes.

And who/where were the "real Christians" in 1492?

 

[Quiddity]

But what does that have to do with my post (regarding what Christians learn about Judaism), and how does it tie into your comment that "perhaps from [my] estimation, they probably didn't know a thing about being a Jew"?

I may have been reading jewscouts post thinking it was you.

 

[columbus]

I think the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is pretty much the same as the relationship between Christianity and Mormonism:

The latter self-identifies with the former but the former would rather they didn't.

It is better even than that. First the Christians took over Judaism.
Then Catholics took over Christianity. They were mad when the Protestant movement started to gain traction. The Protestant movement didn't like finding out that they were wrong from the LDS. Now the Mormons don't like Warren Jeff's friends.

People convinced that they know what God thinks are the problem. Not God.

Tom

 

[Phil25]

Off topic-
But at what time period did, Christianity stopped being a Jewish sect and became a religion of it own? 50s AD, 60s, AD

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Off topic-
But at what time period did, Christianity stopped being a Jewish sect and became a religion of it own? 50s AD, 60s, AD

Ummm... the moment Jesus opened his mouth.

 

[sojourner]

Off topic-
But at what time period did, Christianity stopped being a Jewish sect and became a religion of it own? 50s AD, 60s, AD

Paul started planting churches about 18 months after the crucifixion in Gentile territory. It was a few years after that, that the Church in Jerusalem said it was OK for Gentile Xtians to not be Jewish. Probably all before the canonical gospels were written.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Paul started planting churches about 18 months after the crucifixion in Gentile territory. It was a few years after that, that the Church in Jerusalem said it was OK for Gentile Xtians to not be Jewish. Probably all before the canonical gospels were written.

I still don't think it was ever a Jewish sect.

 

[columbus]

Off topic-
But at what time period did, Christianity stopped being a Jewish sect and became a religion of it own? 50s AD, 60s, AD

When Jesus and His following stopped defining Christianity and Paul and his following started. It's impossible to put a date on that.

Tom

 

[outhouse]

Off topic-
But at what time period did, Christianity stopped being a Jewish sect and became a religion of it own? 50s AD, 60s, AD

Excellent question.

But better yet, when was it ever Jewish?

The original Jesus movement in Galilee is almost a mystery. Apocalyptic traveling Jewish teacher within a community of Zealots doing baptism, does not in any way reflect todays Christianity or that of any of the authors.


To answer your question I will say the day Jesus dies the movement was no longer Jewish, it was over.

What started afterwards, has nothing to do with his movement, and everything to do with the Hellenist who found importance with the mythology surrounding his martyrdom after death.

 

[outhouse]

When Jesus and His following stopped defining Christianity and Paul and his following started. It's impossible to put a date on that.

Tom

Paul started nothing. He was not the only Hellenistic teacher, he flat tells us there are and were others everywhere.

The movement was all over the Diaspora within a few decades of Jesus death

 

[outhouse]

I still don't think it was ever a Jewish sect.

+1


Part of the problem is the word "Jewish" and how that was defined in the first century.

believing in the one god was all it took, to me that is a Proselyte not a Jew.

Hellenist had been perverting Judaism for a long time, and was ready to split long before Jesus was born.

Jesus death was just the match that lit the wood pile

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The traditional Christian view of Judaism is that it is irrelevant at best and at worst a blasphemy for rejecting the Messiah and that Jews, as well as all people, should come to faith in Christ and join His Body, the Church. The Church is viewed as the successor and fulfillment of ancient Israelite religion and is the Spiritual Israel striving for the Heavenly Jerusalem. Your ancestry doesn't matter and being a descendent of the ancient Israelites (it would be a miracle if you could prove that by tracing your ancestry back, anyway) does not make you a spiritual Israelite. In Christ, there is no Jew or Gentile. All boundaries become meaningless and hindrances.

I know that Jews disagree that's their right to so do. I support freedom of belief.