Relationship between Judaism and Christianity

[CynthiaCypher]

Only speaking from my particular sect of Christianity, if one reads the Antinomian teaching of Jesus and the writings of Paul can see that some Christianities refute and reject Jewish Law, there is overwhelming evidence that early Christianities rejected the God of the Jews and completely divorced itself from Judaism.

 

[Estro Felino]

and yet we are the religion that doesn't have a long standing history of forcing everyone to be like us

We have to think of the future, not of the past.
That's what this thread is for too. I want to show how much Jews and Christians love each other.
Love is a beautiful thing. And I am always thirsty for love

 

[Willamena]

Loving is one thing, pretending another.

 

[Estro Felino]

does it make Christianity wrong for non-Jews? No, nor does it make it "wrong". But just because you didn't delete the text doesn't mean you adhere to mitzvot, and that you beleive G-d had to add on to Torah is evidence of that (Deut. 13:1)

well...if you say we made a copy of your religion, you should be loving us. We are your greatest fans.
I am sure you love us as much as we love you.
and we love you much

 

[outhouse]

there is overwhelming evidence that early Christianities rejected the God of the Jews and completely divorced itself from Judaism.

I dont know about rejecting the one god.

But from their earliest writings they were divorcing Judaism

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Because Christians have never disclaimed the Tanakh, also known as Old Testament and they have never changed a word of it.

You don't know Christian history, some of us did reject the Tanakh.

 

[jewscout]

We have to think of the future, not of the past.
That's what this thread is for too. I want to show how much Jews and Christians love each other.
Love is a beautiful thing. And I am always thirsty for love

really, because in the 2 days I have been back on RF I haven't got that sense from you at all

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I dont know about rejecting the one god.

But from their earliest writings they were divorcing Judaism

Yahweh is not the One God.

 

[Estro Felino]

really, because in the 2 days I have been back on RF I haven't got that sense from you at all

wrong impression, then

 

[jewscout]

well...if you say we made a copy of your religion, you should be loving us. We are your greatest fans.

but you didn't!!

 

[xkatz]

well...if you say we made a copy of your religion, you should be loving us. We are your greatest fans.
I am sure you love us as much as we love you.
and we love you much

There is no denying I have a soft spot for Christianity (especially traditional Orthodoxy and Catholicism), or that Christians are generally good people like any other...

However, the problem arises when people try to equate Christianity with being Jewish. To Christians, yes they may see themselves as spiritual sucessors to Judaism via Jesus. However, in the eyes of Judaism and Jewish Law, being Christian =/= being Jewish. Judaism dictates it's own rules, and how Christians understand theology has no bearing on how Jews should define themselves and vice versa.

 

[Quiddity]

Why would assume I would think that?

It's been my experience that much of what Jews confront as Christianity is mostly Protestantism. They aren't familiar with liturgical Christianity (Catholics and Eastern Orthodox mostly) and how that in any way has to do with Jewish Tradition.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Good....So is it now resolved?

Can Christians remain Christians without trying to be something they're not?
Can Jews remain Jews without others trying to co-opt their way of life.

 

[Quiddity]

I'm not so much interested in saying Christians are something they are not. We don't see ourselves Jewish in the same way (Jewish mom) and much of it is the borrowing of their traditions and attaching our spiritual and theological meanings. There is little doubt that similarities are there and find the urge to shrink away any ties or similarities from Christianity from some in the Jewish community childish. Granted, it is a highly tense relationship with much of history to show for it. One thing is certain, there is considerable ignorance on both sides, and ignorance is one of the roots of reciprocal prejudice that seems to rearing it's ugly head in this very thread.

 

[Estro Felino]

Good....So is it now resolved?

Can Christians remain Christians without trying to be something they're not?

I think that all the Jews here misread me. Really. I did not claim that I was a Jewish. I said I consider myself Jewish. there is a huge difference.

It was a way to proof that Christians consider Jews as brothers because Jews have given us all. Judaism. Myriam. Jesus. Eternal gratefulness

So it is practically impossible that a Christian can hate a Jew.
Impossible. Is it so difficult to understand this concept?

 

[sojourner]

I thought it would be interesting to see what Christians think about Jews and vice-versa.

I just want to clarify one thing: a Christian, by definition, is already Jewish. Because Christians have never disclaimed the Tanakh, also known as Old Testament and they have never changed a word of it.

A Christian, "by definition," is not Jewish. The people first called "Christian" weren't Jewish. They were Greek.

 

[sojourner]

Ha, ha...the Romans were pagan so they believed in the law of the fittest. They were greedy, money-hungry and selfish. It makes me puke just thinking of how rotten their souls were.

and I am Italian...

And yet... the central act of Christian worship -- the Eucharist -- is lifted almost in its entirety from the Roman symposium.

 

[Levite]

So it is practically impossible that a Christian can hate a Jew.
Impossible. Is it so difficult to understand this concept?

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Yes.

 

[sojourner]

Yes, Do you mind? I believe in divine justice, and God blesses those who thirst for justice, because they will be filled.

The money-hungry and the greedy people will rot in Hell. This will be my satisfaction.

I don't hate them. I want them to be happy, rich and healthy in this life. But not in the Afterlife. I want their souls to be imprisoned in Hell. They could have chosen altruism, but they chose selfishness.

Fortunately, it's not about what you want.

 

[Levite]

Well, Muslims claim that Jesus is one of the main five prophets of Islam. When they say that, I don't accuse them "of appropriating Christian culture".
Au contraire, it's a honor for a Christian, and I am really happy to hear it.

There is no Christian culture. Christianity is a religion. It is your prerogative, as a Christian, not to take offense at another religion appropriating Christian tradition; but that doesn't mean that that's not what's going on, or that another Christian isn't within their rights to take offense at it.

The great issue is that Jews have always mixed up culture (or nationality) with religion. They are two different things.
Christians don't have this problem. A Christian can be from any part of the world. They can be Spanish, Japanese, Africans etc etc
Muslims don't have this problem either.

Christianity and Islam are religions. They are not tied to a specific culture. Judaism, properly speaking, is a socioreligious ethnicity: it is an identity that combines elements of culture, religion, and nationality, all inextricably linked with one another. In this respect, it is less like Christianity or Islam, and more like the religious/cultural way of an indigenous tribe, like those of Native Americans or Africans or Pacific islanders: the religion is specifically tied to the culture, the language, the history-- it's all bound up with one another.

It is not that Jews are "mixing up culture/nationality with religion." It is that you don't seem to understand that sometimes all those things can be deeply interconnected in a single identity.

Judaism is different than Christianity. Not just in terms of theology, it is a completely different phenomenon. To presume it is just Christian religion without Christ is both absurdly reductive and utterly erroneous.