Relationship between Judaism and Christianity

[Saint Frankenstein]

There is no Christian culture.

That's not true at all. There's Christian culture just as there's Jewish culture, Hindu culture, Buddhist culture, etc. We have our in-group traditions and practices that provide a strong sense of identity, just as you Jews do. These aspects are readily apparent especially in Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Just like the Jews, Catholic and Orthodox families pass down their religious traditions. Over time, it becomes inseparable from the wider culture. Try to separate Catholicism from Italy or Russian Orthodoxy from Russia. It really can't be done. In Catholicism, we also have the concept of a lapsed Catholic or nominal Catholic, which means that you identity with Catholicism as a culture and tradition but don't believe in it. That's much the same as a secular Jew.

 

[paarsurrey]

Relationship between Judaism and Christianity

The relationship between Judaism and Christianity is of being “Chosen Ones” and of the “original sin”.

The Jewish corrupt clergy mislead, diverted and or distracted people from the truthful teachings of Moses under cover of the concept of being "Chosen One" which had no racial connotation but was only relevant for the righteous.

The Christian clergy did the same thing under cover of the creed of "Original Sin" and mislead the people from the true teachings of Jesus and Moses.

To come on the same page; they both must reform to get on the right path that Moses and Jesus followed.

Regards

 

[Estro Felino]

Try to separate Catholicism from Italy or Russian Orthodoxy from Russia. It really can't be done. In Catholicism, we also have the concept of a lapsed Catholic or nominal Catholic, which means that you identity with Catholicism as a culture and tradition but don't believe in it. That's much the same as a secular Jew.

Well, precisely. Religion influences culture; I can say that Ireland has a very peculiar culture because of its Catholic identity.
Which makes Ireland differ from the Calvinist New England, founded by the Pilgrim Fathers.
Catholicism is something that transcends nationalities. When you read "The Thorn Birds", you understand the peculiarity of being Catholic. When I read it, I understood that an Irish Catholic thinks exactly the same things as an Italian Catholic.
A Catholic tends to be autonomous from God, often.

 

[Muslim Atheism]

The Jews and Christians read the same Book, but why then it is two separate religions ?

Could we make a conclusion that the idea of religion is not from God ? ie. man-made

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, precisely. Religion influences culture; I can say that Ireland has a very peculiar culture because of its Catholic identity.
Which makes Ireland differ from the Calvinist New England, founded by the Pilgrim Fathers.
Catholicism is something that transcends nationalities. When you read "The Thorn Birds", you understand the peculiarity of being Catholic. When I read it, I understood that an Irish Catholic thinks exactly the same things as an Italian Catholic.

True. We are a very big family united in our faith. All Catholic cultures have more in common than we do with other cultures, while maintaining their varied richness. I'm very proud to be a part of this family.

A Catholic tends to be autonomous from God, often.

That I disagree on.

 

[Estro Felino]

That I disagree on.

well...it was an exaggeration. but you should read what Meggie, the protagonist of the thorn birds, thinks about God.

 

[roger1440]

The Jews and Christians read the same Book, but why then it is two separate religions ?

Could we make a conclusion that the idea of religion is not from God ? ie. man-made

Jews do not read the New Testament. Therefore, the Jews and Christians do not read exactly the “same book”. Just for the sake of argument let’s say it was exactly the same book. The Jews had there scriptures round about a thousand years. Then along comes the Gentiles who interpret these very same scriptures differently. Just because Jews and Gentiles are not in agreement that does not mean the Jews were wrong right from the get go.

 

[Levite]

The Jews and Christians read the same Book, but why then it is two separate religions ?

Could we make a conclusion that the idea of religion is not from God ? ie. man-made

Jews and Christians do not really read the same book. Their Bible consists of the Hebrew Scriptures, some Apocrypha, and their New Testament. Even the Hebrew Scriptures, though, they read exclusively in translation. Every translation will have its flaws and errors, but most of theirs are also translated with a Christological agenda, and therefore perpetuate some errors with an eye toward making the texts seem more explicit proofs for their theologies about Jesus.

And what is more, Jews not only read the Written Torah in the original Hebrew (from which our translations-- hardly perfect, but generally a little less prone to deliberate errors-- render directly), but we read it in concert with the documents of the Oral Torah, using the guides and methods of interpretations passed on to us by the Rabbis of the Talmud. We believe that this is the correct way to understand the text in applicaton, whether observance or theology. And Christianity ignores or rejects the Oral Torah altogether, in favor of their New Testament and writings of their Church Fathers.

In the end, what they read and what we read end up with relatively minimal practical resemblance.

 

[outhouse]

The Jews and Christians read the same Book,

No they do not, nor do they interpret the same.

Jews do not follow or read the NT

Christians do not follow OT laws or interpret as they do.

 

[paarsurrey]

Jews and Christians do not really read the same book. Their Bible consists of the Hebrew Scriptures, some Apocrypha, and their New Testament. Even the Hebrew Scriptures, though, they read exclusively in translation. Every translation will have its flaws and errors, but most of theirs are also translated with a Christological agenda, and therefore perpetuate some errors with an eye toward making the texts seem more explicit proofs for their theologies about Jesus.

And what is more, Jews not only read the Written Torah in the original Hebrew (from which our translations-- hardly perfect, but generally a little less prone to deliberate errors-- render directly), but we read it in concert with the documents of the Oral Torah, using the guides and methods of interpretations passed on to us by the Rabbis of the Talmud. We believe that this is the correct way to understand the text in applicaton, whether observance or theology. And Christianity ignores or rejects the Oral Torah altogether, in favor of their New Testament and writings of their Church Fathers.

In the end, what they read and what we read end up with relatively minimal practical resemblance.

When one reads the Jewish Torah; one observes as to how the narrators/scribes/clergy have concealed the core teachings of Moses and highlighted the corruptions added to them. This is what they have done to the written scriptures; one could guess what they would have done with the oral one.

No disrespect intended to any one; this is my sincere observation; of course one could differ with me with reasons.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

When one reads the Jewish Torah; one observes as to how the narrators/scribes/clergy have concealed the core teachings of Moses and highlighted the corruptions added to them. This is what they have done to the written scriptures; one could guess what they would have done with the oral one.

No disrespect intended to any one; this is my sincere observation; of course one could differ with me with reasons.

Regards

Could you not talk about things you know absolutely nothing about?

 

[Levite]

When one reads the Jewish Torah; one observes as to how the narrators/scribes/clergy have concealed the core teachings of Moses and highlighted the corruptions added to them. This is what they have done to the written scriptures; one could guess what they would have done with the oral one.

No disrespect intended to any one; this is my sincere observation; of course one could differ with me with reasons.

Regards

I have to admit, I was all ready to be offended once again by your aggressive ignorance, but when you said "no disrespect intended to anyone," I laughed so hard that I kind of ended up not being mad anymore.

So, essentially saying, "I think your tradition and your scriptures are all a bunch of crap and you're all self-serving liars, but hey, no offense," is really supposed to not be offensive? Was there actually a moment at which you thought that tacking that last sentence on would somehow make your dismally wrongheaded and incredibly offensive post acceptable?

I'm still kind of laughing a little.

 

[outhouse]

I'm still kind of laughing a little.

The ignorance and hatred is overwhelming.

The intellect it takes to trash the source of your own religion, to me, is like urinating in your own water supply, and telling people it tatse great!

 

[paarsurrey]

I have to admit, I was all ready to be offended once again by your aggressive ignorance, but when you said "no disrespect intended to anyone," I laughed so hard that I kind of ended up not being mad anymore.

So, essentially saying, "I think your tradition and your scriptures are all a bunch of crap and you're all self-serving liars, but hey, no offense," is really supposed to not be offensive? Was there actually a moment at which you thought that tacking that last sentence on would somehow make your dismally wrongheaded and incredibly offensive post acceptable?

I'm still kind of laughing a little.

I never said that. You get me wrong. My intention is to bridge gaps between the religions with peaceful dialogue.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

I never said that. You get me wrong. My intention is to bridge gaps between the religions with peaceful dialogue.

You have shown just the opoposite, and you factually apply different methodology to others religions you do not apply to your own.

I think yout honesty is in serious question here.

 

[roger1440]

When one reads the Jewish Torah; one observes as to how the narrators/scribes/clergy have concealed the core teachings of Moses and highlighted the corruptions added to them. This is what they have done to the written scriptures; one could guess what they would have done with the oral one.

No disrespect intended to any one; this is my sincere observation; of course one could differ with me with reasons.

Regards

No disrespect intended, but your style of writing parallels that of a drive by shooting.

Can you explain what you mean?

 

[God Is Here]

Basically from my point of view we're both the same (christian here). The difference is to put it into simplest terms; Jews don't accept Jesus as the Messiah or Christ while Christians do. Along with that the Jews also don't accept his teaching or covenant. Again from my POV that is it in a nutshell.

 

[Muffled]

I thought it would be interesting to see what Christians think about Jews and vice-versa.

I just want to clarify one thing: a Christian, by definition, is already Jewish. Because Christians have never disclaimed the Tanakh, also known as Old Testament and they have never changed a word of it.

I don't believe that makes me Jewish only that it means that my beliefs have Jewish roots.

I believe Jews are lost and unsaved.

I believe we like to believe we share some of the laws of Moses but the unsaved nature of Jews often causes that law to be changed around to man's point of view instead of God's point of view.

 

[Muffled]

Depends: Are there going to be pogroms if we answer truthfully?

And if you say no it really means yes doesnt it?

This no also means yes doesnt it?


Though you really think that this thread is a good idea? But then again i dont know if your relationship with the Jewish community on RF could be any worse.

I believe pogroms are evil.

 

[Muffled]

Basically from my point of view we're both the same (christian here). The difference is to put it into simplest terms; Jews don't accept Jesus as the Messiah or Christ while Christians do. Along with that the Jews also don't accept his teaching or covenant. Again from my POV that is it in a nutshell.

I believe we can't be the same if we are different.