Religious bigotry is not part of Shinto.

[Brinne]

I already told you, I follow American Shinto.

I follow Shinto as the Kami tell me to.

And Jesus and Mary are Kami. Kami means God or Spirit. I follow my heart and conscience, and ask God and Kami to guide it and inspire it and make me obedient.

Shinto does not have infallible Doctrines other than belief in Kami , no infallible teaching authority like the Catholic magisterium, no absolutes that forbid me from doing what I do.

That is a fact!

Right so you’re making your own religion; don’t appropriate Shinto for that.

You’re asserting you know more and have the same level of licensure as a kannushi who’s family had serviced a shrine for centuries.

You’re being very disingenuous saying that this hierarchy of clergy has no meaning, and no direct influence on the guidance of the development of Shintoism.

Again - please do your research and do not cherry pick Eastern religions for your own amusement.

 

[Spiderman]

Right so you’re making your own religion; don’t appropriate Shinto for that.

You’re asserting you know more and have the same level of licensure as a kannushi who’s family had serviced a shrine for centuries.

You’re being very disingenuous saying that this hierarchy of clergy has no meaning, and no direct influence on the guidance of the development of Shintoism.

Again - please do your research and do not cherry pick Eastern religions for your own amusement.

I didn't say the hierarchy has no meaning. I'm saying I follow Shinto as my heart and conscience tells me to follow it, and I call it "American Shinto" to be precise.

It is a mix of pieces of Catholicism, Buddhism, Egyptology, and Shinto.

Shinto has no real absolutes, only one Doctrine "belief in Kami", and no inerrant Scriptures, no magisterium or infallible teaching authority.

Therefore I have the liberty to follow this type of Shinto, without any Shinto Doctrine or Scriptures condemning it.

 

[firedragon]

No, why do you keep failing over and over and over again??

By my standards you would show an official Shinto infallible Doctrine or Divinely inspired text supporting those bad behaviors.

I did so for Islam. You failed to do so for Shinto. Any particular reason why you keep insisting on speaking falsehood?

Go use my standards. I'm waiting....

Waiting....

You can't do it. You lose!

By your own standards, Shintoism = Murder, Incest, Suicide.

 

[Spiderman]

By your own standards, Shintoism = Murder, Incest, Suicide.

Nope.

You have repeated that over five times.

By my standards you would show me an infallible Shinto teaching, Scripture, or Doctrine that supports those bad behaviors.

The bottom line is, the Quran and Hadiths are loaded with calls to violence, and the Hadiths declare Muhammad to have committed countless atrocities, poked out eyes and cut off limbs and heads.

I proved that violence, mutilations, and terrorism is a part of Islam, because it is in the Quran.

Having children for brides is still not that uncommon in some Muslim countries, partially because the Hadiths say Aisha was 6 when Muhammad married her.

By my standards and method, you would show me an infallible Shinto Doctrine, teaching, or Scripture, that supports bad behavior.

You cannot do it. I'm waiting! ....

....

You lose!

 

[firedragon]

Nope.

You have repeated that over five times.

By my standards you would show me an infallible Shinto teaching, Scripture, or Doctrine that supports those bad behaviors.

The bottom line is, the Quran and Hadiths are loaded with calls to violence, and the Hadiths declare Muhammad to have committed countless atrocities, poked out eyes and cut off limbs and heads.

I proved that violence, mutilations, and terrorism is a part of Islam, because it is in the Quran.

Having children for brides is still not that uncommon in some Muslim countries, partially because the Hadiths say Aisha was 6 when Muhammad married her.

By my standards and method, you would show me an infallible Shinto Doctrine, teaching, or Scripture, that supports bad behavior.

You cannot do it. I'm waiting! ....

....

You lose!

By your own standards, Shintoism = Murder, Incest, Suicide. Inventor and influencer of suicide terrorism.

 

[Spiderman]

By your own standards, Shintoism = Murder, Incest, Suicide. Inventor and influencer of suicide terrorism.

What are my standards?

I showed you the Quran and Hadiths passages that make violence and terrorism part of the essence of Islam.

You can't do the same regarding Shinto. There is no infallible Shinto teaching, Doctrine, or Scripture that supports bad behavior.

 

[firedragon]

What are my standards?

I showed you the Quran and Hadiths passages that make violence and terrorism part of the essence of Islam.

You can't do the same regarding Shinto. There is no infallible Shinto teaching, Doctrine, or Scripture that supports bad behavior.

Lol. The problem is you have not read any of the Shinto books. So you dont know I am quoting it. I have directly quoted, given names, and the contexts.

Know your own matters first. Make your own bed. By your own standards, Shintoism = Murder, Incest, Suicide. Inventor and influencer of suicide terrorism.

 

[Spiderman]

Lol. The problem is you have not read any of the Shinto books. So you dont know I am quoting it. I have directly quoted, given names, and the contexts.

Know your own matters first. Make your own bed. By your own standards, Shintoism = Murder, Incest, Suicide. Inventor and influencer of suicide terrorism.

No, those books you quoted are not considered inspired by the Kami and are not Doctrine or infallible Shinto teaching.

Shinto existed long before Kamikaze or those books. The kamikaze was state Shinto inspired, which many Shinto adherents disagree with and don't follow.

Also, terrorists target innocent civilians as is seen most commonly from Muslims in our century. Kamikaze targeted aircraft carriers, battleships, planes, cruisers, and military targets. They weren't targeting civilians. Big difference!

 

[firedragon]

No, those books you quoted are not considered inspired by the Kami and are not Doctrine or infallible Shinto teaching.

Shinto existed long before Kamikaze or those books. The kamikaze was state Shinto inspired, which many Shinto adherents disagree with and don't follow.

Also, terrorists target innocent civilians as is seen most commonly from Muslims in our century. Kamikaze targeted aircraft carriers, battleships, planes, cruisers, and military targets. They weren't targeting civilians. Big difference!

Inspired or not, that's Shintoism.

By your own standards, Shintoism = Murder, Incest, Suicide. Inventor and influencer of suicide terrorism.

 

[Spiderman]

Inspired or not, that's Shintoism.

By your own standards, Shintoism = Murder, Incest, Suicide. Inventor and influencer of suicide terrorism.

No it's not Shintoism.

If a Christian writes a book promoting killing innocent people, that doesn't make it part of Christianity.

If Shinto adherents write books promoting bad behavior, that doesn't mean Shinto teaches that.

If Jesus promoted killing innocent people, that makes it part of Christianity. If a Christian writes about killing people, that doesn't mean it is intrinsic to the essence of Christianity.

Muslims cut off heads and hands and feet and crucify people in the 21st century , and have children for brides, because Muhammad did.

It is intrinsic to the nature and essence of Islam, because it was the practice of the founder.

Big difference. Please get your facts straight.

 

[firedragon]

No it's not Shintoism.

If a Christian writes a book promoting killing innocent people, that doesn't make it part of Christianity.

If Shinto adherents write books promoting bad behavior, that doesn't mean Shinto teaches that.

If Jesus promoted killing innocent people, that makes it part of Christianity. If a Christian writes about killing people, that doesn't mean it is intrinsic to the essence of Christianity.

Muslims cut off heads and hands and feet and crucify people in the 21st century , and have children for brides, because Muhammad did.

It is intrinsic to the nature and essence of Islam, because it was the practice of the founder.

Big difference. Please get your facts straight.

By your own methodology, Shintoism = Murder, Incest, genocide, Suicide. Inventor and influencer of suicide terrorism.

 

[Brinne]

I didn't say the hierarchy has no meaning. I'm saying I follow Shinto as my heart and conscience tells me to follow it, and I call it "American Shinto" to be precise.

It is a mix of pieces of Catholicism, Buddhism, Egyptology, and Shinto.

Shinto has no real absolutes, only one Doctrine "belief in Kami", and no inerrant Scriptures, no magisterium or infallible teaching authority.

Therefore I have the liberty to follow this type of Shinto, without any Shinto Doctrine or Scriptures condemning it.

I've actually linked you sources over and over that say what you're doing is disrespectful to the tradition. Mixing Catholicism and Shinto doesn't really make any sense.

Again, you can practice Shinto alongside something but you have to practice them separately. I.E your Kamidana can not have images of the Virgin Mary around it; this is how pretty much every kannushi will tell you to worship. E-mail these people, talk to them they will explain.

Otherwise it's inappropriate to call your practice Shinto.

It may not have a list of commandments per say; but Shinto has a hierarchy which dictates how practices and traditions evolve. It also has a common consensus on how things are to be practiced as confirmed by the community.

 

[Spiderman]

I've actually linked you sources over and over that say what you're doing is disrespectful to the tradition. Mixing Catholicism and Shinto doesn't really make any sense.

Again, you can practice Shinto alongside something but you have to practice them separately. I.E your Kamidana can not have images of the Virgin Mary around it; this is how pretty much every kannushi will tell you to worship. E-mail these people, talk to them they will explain.

Otherwise it's inappropriate to call your practice Shinto.

It may not have a list of commandments per say; but Shinto has a hierarchy which dictates how practices and traditions evolve. It also has a common consensus on how things are to be practiced as confirmed by the community.

Mary would be Kami. In Shinto the dead become Kami.

It doesn't matter if a Shinto priest says I have to do something a certain way.

No Shinto clergy are considered infallible. My Kamidana is to Catholic Kami who died in India in 2004.

I also have the Divine mercy image and our Lady of Guadalupe on another Kamidana.

There is no official infallible teaching authority in Shinto.

I can pray Hail Marys and go to Mass, but follow the Shinto tradition of being Dogmaless.

At Yasukuni Shrine, the clergy asked the Pope to celebrate Mass for the repose of the souls of the enshrined war-dead Kami.

Obviously they probably believed Jesus was Kami, and the Mass has power with Kami, or they would not make such a request.

There is a tomb for Jesus at Japan as well that some Shinto adherents go to to pray.

I also love Amaterasu Omikami and the Japanese flag, and pray to the Imperial Spirits and dynasty.

 

[Brinne]

Mary would be Kami. In Shinto the dead become Kami.

It doesn't matter if a Shinto priest says I have to do something a certain way.

No Shinto clergy are considered infallible. My Kamidana is to Catholic Kami who died in India in 2004.

I also have the Divine mercy image and our Lady of Guadalupe on another Kamidana.

There is no official infallible teaching authority in Shinto.

I can pray Hail Marys and go to Mass, but follow the Shinto tradition of being Dogmaless.

At Yasukuni Shrine, the clergy asked the Pope to celebrate Mass for the repose of the souls of the enshrined war-dead Kami.

Obviously they probably believed Jesus was Kami, and the Mass has power with Kami, or they would not make such a request.

There is a tomb for Jesus at Japan as well that some Shinto adherents go to to pray.

I also love Amaterasu Omikami and the Japanese flag, and pray to the Imperial Spirits and dynasty.

It's becoming apparent to me you haven't talked with a kannushi; even through e-mail. I'd say that is maybe a good place to start.

Your opinions do not get to supersede someone who has dedicated their life to study of the traditions and culture of a faith; as a convert it is very important to listen to those that have more experience to learn how things are properly done.

Please, talk to Japanese people - talk to Kannushi. Send e-mails to Konkokyo international, Inari faith, speak with actual practioners before you go off and do whatever it is your doing. I'm not saying any of this to be a killjoy either, it's just highly disrespectful.

I mentioned before that the inter-faith dialogue with the Pope was inter-faith dialogue; and was a highly politicized event. The usage of Yasukuni shrine is backed by far-right nationalists in Japan in an attempt to whitewash the convicted war criminal which are enshrined there. There is a reason the topic is avoided by most kannushi.

Clergy do not need to have infallibility to dictate how worship should be conducted. Protestant priests, Rabbis, Eastern Orthodox priests -- none of these positions have doctrinal infallibility yet there opinions and guidance are respected by their congregation and accepted as how to properly conduct worship.

 

[Link]

No it's not Shintoism.

If a Christian writes a book promoting killing innocent people, that doesn't make it part of Christianity.

If Shinto adherents write books promoting bad behavior, that doesn't mean Shinto teaches that.

If Jesus promoted killing innocent people, that makes it part of Christianity. If a Christian writes about killing people, that doesn't mean it is intrinsic to the essence of Christianity.

Muslims cut off heads and hands and feet and crucify people in the 21st century , and have children for brides, because Muhammad did.

It is intrinsic to the nature and essence of Islam, because it was the practice of the founder.

Big difference. Please get your facts straight.

The hard part though is translations and determining what Mohammad (s) or Jesus (a) intended. This especially complicated when too many dark souls from humans and Jinn do sorcery to keep people from perceiving the right meaning.

 

[Spiderman]

By your own methodology, Shintoism = Murder, Incest, genocide, Suicide. Inventor and influencer of suicide terrorism.

In my methodology, you show me a Kami-inspired , Sacred Shinto text, or infallible Doctrine that promotes bad behavior.

Until you can, you lose.

If you can follow my methodology and produce those verses or teachings, then I will bash Shinto.

I'm waiting and have been waiting patiently for you to do so.

Waiting.............

 

[firedragon]

In my methodology, you show me a Kami-inspired , Sacred Shinto text, or infallible Doctrine that promotes bad behavior.

Until you can, you lose.

If you can follow my methodology and produce those verses or teachings, then I will bash Shinto.

I'm waiting and have been waiting patiently for you to do so.

Waiting.............

Already done. So, by your own methodology, Shintoism = Murder, Incest, genocide, Suicide. Inventor and influencer of suicide terrorism.

 

[Spiderman]

It's becoming apparent to me you haven't talked with a kannushi; even through e-mail. I'd say that is maybe a good place to start.

Your opinions do not get to supersede someone who has dedicated their life to study of the traditions and culture of a faith; as a convert it is very important to listen to those that have more experience to learn how things are properly done.

Please, talk to Japanese people - talk to Kannushi. Send e-mails to Konkokyo international, Inari faith, speak with actual practioners before you go off and do whatever it is your doing. I'm not saying any of this to be a killjoy either, it's just highly disrespectful.

I mentioned before that the inter-faith dialogue with the Pope was inter-faith dialogue; and was a highly politicized event. The usage of Yasukuni shrine is backed by far-right nationalists in Japan in an attempt to whitewash the convicted war criminal which are enshrined there. There is a reason the topic is avoided by most kannushi.

Clergy do not need to have infallibility to dictate how worship should be conducted. Protestant priests, Rabbis, Eastern Orthodox priests -- none of these positions have doctrinal infallibility yet there opinions and guidance are respected by their congregation and accepted as how to properly conduct worship.

I see no evidence that Shinto before 700 BC had that hierarchy or traditions. I will follow Kami as my heart convicts me to, and pray constantly that they guide me.

I also have been dedicated to the Kami night and day for years, and shall be until I die.

Some of the Kami I pray to and for, no one else prays to. Different Kami would want different devotions and rituals. Shinto gives me that liberty. There are no absolutes in Shinto.

The Catholic Church has an infallible Magisterum with infallible binding teachings. Shinto does not!

 

[Spiderman]

Already done. So, by your own methodology, Shintoism = Murder, Incest, genocide, Suicide. Inventor and influencer of suicide terrorism.

No you didn't. You quoted poems and pasted literature that is not Scriptures, dogmas, or infallible teachings.

Why do you keep insisting on failing?

 

[firedragon]

No you didn't. You quoted poems and pasted literature that is not Scriptures, dogmas, or infallible teachings.

Why do you keep insisting on failing?

By your own methodology, Shintoism = Murder, Incest, genocide, Suicide. Inventor and influencer of suicide terrorism.