Religious Nationalism in the US

[SkepticThinker]

People should have right not to be part of other peoples sexual ideas.

What does that even mean?

I think that is sick and evil One could as well say that you don't have right to life.

Uh wait, what? So we have the human right "not to be part of other peoples sexual ideas," But we don't have the right to life?
I think your priorities are confused.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Socialists never think about making sure everyone is taken care of. Otherwise they would not support forcing others to pay taxes for their benefit.

Nonsense.

You seem to think socialists are just people who want things for themselves when in actuality, they are people who want things that benefit everyone in the community, like paved roads, fire departments, libraries, police departments, universal health care, etc. It's not about getting stuff for oneself.

Are you against things like insurance, then?

 

[Kenny]

You seem to have closed your eyes and pretended it is happening. And on some mass scale.
And yet you can't provide reputable sources that demonstrate that. But you believe it anyway.

Are you saying the issues at school board meetings are few and far between?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Even if it would be just about "to enforce their own policies", it would go against the freedom of speech.

I think this kind of news shows that the government has broken the First Amendment.

Freedom of speech applies to government entities, not privately owned internet platforms for which users sign and agree to adhere to Terms of Service. I'm Canadian and I know that.

You should read the First Amendment sometime ...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

White House warning: New Twitter ownership means government could lose control of U.S. media – World Tribune: U.S. Politics and Culture, Geopolitics, Northeast Asia, China, Geostrategy-Direct, International Security, Corporate Watch, Media Watch

Federal government using social-media giants to censor Americans (nypost.com)


What do you think would have happened, if Trump would have done that? I believe he would have been successfully impeached.

You mean, like this:

Trump White House Pressed Twitter To Remove Chrissy Teigen Insult, Ex-Exec Testifies


"Spurred on by the so-called “Twitter Files,” the House Oversight Committee hearing on Twitter’s decision to temporarily block a 2020 New York Post story about Hunter Biden’s laptop was supposed to show overwhelming proof that the social media giant was engaged in anti-conservative “censorship.”

Instead, former Twitter officials revealed on Wednesday that former President Donald Trump not only received preferential treatment for years, but he also directly requested the site remove tweets that he didn’t like. At the same time, they also noted that President Joe Biden hadn’t contacted Twitter to take down any tweets or censor content."
Ex-Twitter Officials Confirm to Congress: Trump, Not Biden, Has Tried to Censor Tweets

The problem here is, government clearly is not good at telling what is really misinformation. Often it seems it is the biggest spreader of misinformation. We can't ever trust that government has the right information. The responsibility should always be one the reader. And reader should always think is there good reason to believe what was said. Instead of censoring, government should explain why its information is correct. That is the correct way against misinformation. When government censors, it means they can't defend their claims with logic and reason. And that is bad.

Hmm, have you actually spoken to anyone who hangs out on social media sites like Twitter and Facebook? Those platforms are rife with misinformation and just complete BS that such people parrot all day long. As my dear old Dad used to say, "they don't know their arses from their elbows."[/QUOTE]

 

[SkepticThinker]

This reminds me of a girl I taught. She was older than other kids and they were teasing her about having a pamphlet she must have gotten at a clinic. I pulled her out to the hallway and congratulated her on wanting to learn about her body and she should not be ashamed, but the 8 year olds can’t handle that yet so she shouldn’t show them.

That little girl sounds like me. My mother has always said that I was practically an adult since I was about five years old.

 

[metis]

"And they should step aside amd defer to those such as educators, child psychologists and experts in the field. Parents do not own their children and it's past time we start recognizing children as individuals who are not bound to their parents wants for them. It's detrimental to the kids, it's detrimental to society."

To me, this does sound like a government/elite control of children. It takes the parental rights and hands it over to those the government puts in authority. It is here where the schools proceed with "Don't tell your parents you want to change your name and what you believe you are". This act is detrimental to society - the beginning tremors of communist controlled children that are being taught to think like they want them to think.

No go for me.

That is not what I was implying as you've slipped into using a dichotomy. The rights of parent with their children is not ever 100% or we could never try and punish child abuse. OTOH, neither is it a 100% governmental right, thus your using the word "communist" simply doesn't fit this situation.

In the vast majority of cases whereas the issue of transexual with a minor comes up, the states may allow hormone suppression therapy until the child is old enough to make a more mature decision under their parent's supervision and advice. Such therapy is generally considered not to be harmful to the child's development. Not to allow for this is potentially both harmful and possibly deadly for the child who may get frustrated and take their own life as we have seen happen all too often.

IOW, I am not advocating a "one size fits all" approach, but some others are.

 

[metis]

I don't know enough about that case, but I think it would be good to also understand, disciples of Jesus are not omnipotent. Only small number of them can't do everything.

OK, so because you can't do everything, it's all fine & dandy to let people die when action could have been taken by the government to help feed them, which it eventually did, to prevent them dying from starvation. A true "disciple of Christ" would never take such a position.

If so, why call them disciples of Jesus?

What???

Jesus taught what we must do to reflect God's will, so it seems that maybe you didn't get his memo on that.

 

[metis]

For me it is difficult to believe that when the media seemed to be insulting Trump all the time, except when he accepted a missile strike in Syria or some place like that.

Well, if insulting behavior truly offends you, then why in the world do you defend the "Insulter in Chief"? In his rallies and much more, he insults one person after another, after another, after another...

Again, if we compare Trump's constant barrage of insults and compare his approach to Jesus' approach in the Sermon On the Mount and elsewhere, they are not even remotely close to being compatible. Thus, you really need to make a decision as to which one is more important in your life: Trump or Jesus, and then go in the decision of your choice. To not do that is about as logical as saying "I love pizza, but I hate pizza".

 

[SkepticThinker]

Are you saying the issues at school board meetings are few and far between?

Yes. And I'm saying parents who think they're informed with bogus internet "information" are causing a ruckus with their misinformation. No debate there.

I've been over this numerous times. Your own articles that you provided don't even demonstrate what you're claiming, as many posters have already pointed out.

This is like back when a few years ago, , they decided to change the biology/sex-ed curriculum here, and everyone was all up in arms that they were teaching our kids porno sex, and how to be gay, and blah, blah. So, I sat and read the entire curriculum from the first grade all the way to the twelfth grade. And I found nothing even remotely close to that stuff in that curriculum. No where. And yet parents were convinced it was in there. They went on and on about it. The only conclusion I could draw from that was that they hadn't even bothered to take the time to read through it, as I had. They just read some garbage about it on the internet, or heard from a guy who knows a guy or something. It simply wasn't in there.

And I told you the other day, some guy in my office is convinced they're putting kitty litter boxes in schools in some nearby town for the kids who identify as cats. Sound familiar? When I asked him to show me where he found that, what did I find? It's just some internet cut-and-paste job where they just switch out the name of the town, and repeat it over and over as though it's widespread. But any actual evidence of it actually happening? Again, no where to be found.

 

[Kenny]

Yes. And I'm saying parents who think they're informed with bogus internet "information" are causing a ruckus with their misinformation. No debate there.

I've been over this numerous times. Your own articles that you provided don't even demonstrate what you're claiming, as many posters have already pointed out.

And I would disagree.

Since I have been in the meetings and know a School Board Member personally, it is very real and filled with real life information.


Wisconsin school district defends training staff to hide student sexual identity from parents

Tell me this is made up, please.

 

[Sand Dancer]

And I would disagree.

Since I have been in the meetings and know a School Board Member personally, it is very real and filled with real life information.


Wisconsin school district defends training staff to hide student sexual identity from parents

Tell me this is made up, please.

Sadly, schools try to help the kids with parents who would abuse, disavow or kick them out. I don't like that either are a reality, but one caused the other.

 

[metis]

Beware as the National Examiner is just another right-wing political source with not the world's best record for accuracy in reporting:
On January 27, 2020, Roy Moore filed a $40 million defamation lawsuit against the Washington Examiner. Moore, former chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court and candidate in the United States Senate special election in Alabama for the seat left open when Jeff Sessions joined the Trump administration, claimed that the magazine repeatedly wrote "fake news" attacks stemming from allegations that he made unwanted sexual and romantic advances to girls as young as fifteen when he was in his late 30s.[15]

In January 2020, breaking news editor Jon Nicosia was fired after showing a sexually explicit video to colleagues. Nicosia denied any wrongdoing, saying he had only shared the video "because he thought it might go viral ... and become a news story." Nicosia accused managing editor Toby Harnden of abusive workplace behavior. An employee's complaint seen by CNN said that Harnden had created "toxic work environment" and a climate of "workplace terror and bullying." Editor-in-chief Hugo Gurdon then announced Harnden had departed and that he was "enlisting a third-party to conduct a thorough investigation" into the Examiner. CNN reported, however, that "current and former Examiner employees" said that "Gurdon was aware of Harnden's brutish managing style" long before it became a public issue, without doing anything about it.[16][17]

In October 2020, the Examiner hired Greg Wilson as the new managing editor. As online editor of the Fox News website, Wilson had previously published a news story supporting the conspiracy theory about murdered Democratic aide Seth Rich and Wikileaks.[18]

In June 2020, the Examiner published an op-ed by "Raphael Badani", a fake persona who was part of a broader network pushing propaganda for the United Arab Emirates and against Qatar, Turkey and Iran. The Daily Beast reported that Badani's "profile photos are stolen from the blog of an unwitting San Diego startup founder" while his "LinkedIn profile, which described him as a graduate of George Washington and Georgetown, is equally fictitious."[19] -- Washington Examiner - Wikipedia
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[Shadow Wolf]

children are not property in our society.

This why does Wisconsin v Yoder exist? Why do parents have such tremendous say so over their child's healthcare, even if it's to the detriment and against the wishes of the child?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

This why does Wisconsin v Yoder exist? Why do parents have such tremendous say so over their child's healthcare, even if it's to the detriment and against the wishes of the child?

Because parents are the guardians of our children. We are responsible for them while they are in this vulnerable state. It doesn't imply they are property.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Because parents are the guardians of our children. We are responsible for them while they are in this vulnerable state. It doesn't imply they are property.

That's not guardianship what I mention but potentially life-ruining and ending lunacy. Such as, if a child wants an education why should the parent be able to pull the child put?
That suggests, very strongly, property.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

That's not guardianship what I mention but potentially life-ruining and ending lunacy. Such as, if a child wants an education why should the parent be able to pull the child put?
That suggests, very strongly, property.

I don't know about where you live, but in my state, education is mandatory. Parents are not allowed to simply pull their kids out. You CAN opt to homeschool your child, but still the child MUST be educated.

I don't see anything in your post that indicates children are property. If you can show me where it is legal to sell, damage, or destroy your children, THEN they would be property.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't know about where you live, but in my state, education is mandatory. Parents are not allowed to simply pull their kids out. You CAN opt to homeschool your child, but still the child MUST be educated.

I don't see anything in your post that indicates children are property. If you can show me where it is legal to sell, damage, or destroy your children, THEN they would be property.

I already mentioned laws that allow parents to neglect taking their kids to a doctor.
As for education, some states will let a parent pull a child out after a certain grade, and they all allow for things like religion.
That is damaging, destructive and even potentially life threatening.
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/31/6434...tlight-on-clash-between-medicine-and-religion

In 34 states and the District of Columbia, there are religious exemptions to child neglect and abuse laws. That means a parent can deny a child medical care for reasons based on religion.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I already mentioned laws that allow parents to neglect taking their kids to a doctor.

Where i live, if a parent neglects medical treatment, they can get into loads of trouble. For example, Christian Science parents can be forced to allow their kids to receive medical treatment, and Jehovah's Witness kids will be given transfusions against their parents wishes. Medical neglect is considered one of the four types of child neglect, and is illegal.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Where i live, if a parent neglects medical treatment, they can get into loads of trouble. For example, Christian Science parents can be forced to allow their kids to receive medical treatment, and Jehovah's Witness kids will be given transfusions against their parents wishes. Medical neglect is considered one of the four types of child neglect, and is illegal.

We're in one of the 16 states that do not allow for religious exemptions over it.

 

[1213]

Well, if insulting behavior truly offends you, then why in the world do you defend the "Insulter in Chief"? In his rallies and much more, he insults one person after another, after another, after another...

Again, if we compare Trump's constant barrage of insults...

Why do you think telling the truth is considered an insult?