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Religious Nationalism in the US

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Let me give you an example. Let's say Sally is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and Joe tells her she is stupid. He told her the truth, but it was rude and insulting. So yes, truth can be insulting.
Ah, which fits one definition of tact: Telling a person to go to hell so well that they actually look forward to the trip.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
No, it isn't. It's this subject. I pulled that quote from your article.

And what do you say about it? Oh, that's off-topic. Nothing. Come on man.
You are talking about the exception and not the rule... it isn't the subject. And you are starting to sound like President Biden, may God help him!
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
You are talking about the exception and not the rule... it isn't the subject. And you are starting to sound like President Biden, may God help him!

I'm talking about what appears to be one of the main reasons. As per the article you posted that you don't think I read. ;)


"The Eau Claire Area School District has a responsibility to maintain an educational environment that is equitable, safe and inclusive of all students," Johnson said in the statement. "Data shows that students who identify within the LGBTQIA+ community have a higher incidence of mental health issues along with a higher sense of isolation." ...

..."School board President Tim Nordin also defended the training, telling WQOW, "This isn't about that slide alone. This was a professional development session talking about students who are LGBTQ and the extremely high rates they have of mental health difficulties, suicide attempts, and depression."

"It's a parent's responsibility to help their student become the best person that they can be, to live their true self, but when those students don't feel safe at home, where are they supposed to go?" Nordin asked the outlet."
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I'm talking about what appears to be one of the main reasons. As per the article you posted that you don't think I read. ;)


"The Eau Claire Area School District has a responsibility to maintain an educational environment that is equitable, safe and inclusive of all students," Johnson said in the statement. "Data shows that students who identify within the LGBTQIA+ community have a higher incidence of mental health issues along with a higher sense of isolation." ...

..."School board President Tim Nordin also defended the training, telling WQOW, "This isn't about that slide alone. This was a professional development session talking about students who are LGBTQ and the extremely high rates they have of mental health difficulties, suicide attempts, and depression."

"It's a parent's responsibility to help their student become the best person that they can be, to live their true self, but when those students don't feel safe at home, where are they supposed to go?" Nordin asked the outlet."
However, to make a blanket position for all parents because of the few is not reason enough.

IF the students don't feel safe at home, we already have procedures to investigate... in our area it is DCF.

So I stand on my position that this is an overreach of control and indoctrination.

A person's personal viewpoint of what dictates "to live their true self" is not only arbitrary but places the person with that viewpoint as the child's "protector". Indeed, it sounds more like the child's groomer.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That.... is another and different subject. :)
It actually overlaps into this because some parents beat, harass and even kick their children out of the home for being gay or trans. This problem is largely only seen among Christian and Muslim parents and very rarely seen outside of these groups, especially in America and Western Europe. So, because of this it becomes necessary to hide certain things as a point of safety. Oh well to the parents, they can all bugger off to hell. It only happened because abuse is tragically a reasonable assumption when a child turns out to be queer, especially if conservative Abrahamics are the parents.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
It actually overlaps into this because some parents beat, harass and even kick their children out of the home for being gay or trans. This problem is largely only seen among Christian and Muslim parents and very rarely seen outside of these groups, especially in America and Western Europe. So, because of this it becomes necessary to hide certain things as a point of safety. Oh well to the parents, they can all bugger off to hell. It only happened because abuse is tragically a reasonable assumption when a child turns out to be queer, especially if conservative Abrahamics are the parents.
#569
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
It actually overlaps into this because some parents beat, harass and even kick their children out of the home for being gay or trans. This problem is largely only seen among Christian and Muslim parents and very rarely seen outside of these groups, especially in America and Western Europe. So, because of this it becomes necessary to hide certain things as a point of safety. Oh well to the parents, they can all bugger off to hell. It only happened because abuse is tragically a reasonable assumption when a child turns out to be queer, especially if conservative Abrahamics are the parents.
This ^^^
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
However, to make a blanket position for all parents because of the few is not reason enough.

IF the students don't feel safe at home, we already have procedures to investigate... in our area it is DCF.

So I stand on my position that this is an overreach of control and indoctrination.

A person's personal viewpoint of what dictates "to live their true self" is not only arbitrary but places the person with that viewpoint as the child's "protector". Indeed, it sounds more like the child's groomer.
It sounds like you think that encouraging and supporting kids to be who they are and to be comfortable in their own skin is grooming ... ?

Indoctrination involves teaching someone to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.

Grooming involves the use of emotional and psychological manipulation in order to abuse and/or exploit someone. So to be clear here, in this context, you are accusing teachings of grooming children? For ... what, exactly? To abuse and exploit them? How?


Seems to me people have been throwing these words around a little to loosely, without fully understanding what they mean.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Indoctrination involves teaching someone to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.
And this is why I do not want home schooling and charter schools funded through taxes as it can help feed various forms of segregation. Public schools have helped this country to be the great melting pot that it is, and I seriously do believe children need to learn from their differences and also to cope with such diversity, especially since when the get into the marketplace they'll have to deal with it.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
And this is why I do not want home schooling and charter schools funded through taxes as it can help feed various forms of segregation. Public schools have helped this country to be the great melting pot that it is, and I seriously do believe children need to learn from their differences and also to cope with such diversity, especially since when the get into the marketplace they'll have to deal with it.
Great point! And I agree wholeheartedly.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Indoctrination involves teaching someone to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.

Grooming involves the use of emotional and psychological manipulation in order to abuse and/or exploit someone. So to be clear here, in this context, you are accusing teachings of grooming children? For ... what, exactly? To abuse and exploit them? How?

exactly!
Children do not have the capacity to think critically and teachers are indoctrinating them in that when they say they are not sure who they are, they tell them that that’s all right and they can be anything they want.

Grooming because they are telling children that having sex anytime and with anybody it’s normal.

Eliminating parental rights is the first step for control and grooming into their cultural beliefs.

these words are not loosely being thrown around, they are being enacted
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
exactly!
Children do not have the capacity to think critically and teachers are indoctrinating them in that when they say they are not sure who they are, they tell them that that’s all right and they can be anything they want.
You think it's indoctrination to tell a child they can be whatever they want? You've got a strange idea of what indoctrination is.

I love how all of a sudden, teachers are all evil groomers, because Fox News repeats it, ad nauseam. This culture wars nonsense they've been pushing is really getting out of hand.

Grooming because they are telling children that having sex anytime and with anybody it’s normal.
Sorry, who's telling children to have sex?

Eliminating parental rights is the first step for control and grooming into their cultural beliefs.
Sorry, what cultural beliefs?

these words are not loosely being thrown around, they are being enacted
Oh, they're being loosely thrown around, alright. If you think teaching children they can be whatever they want is a grooming/indoctrination technique, then you're not using the words properly.[/QUOTE]
 
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