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Religious Nationalism in the US

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
As I've been saying America considers children the property of the parents amd most states make exceptions when the abuse is carried out in the name of religion.
Just keep ignoring the FACT that most states let Christians and Muslims (Wiccans, Buddhists, Satanists and atheists aren't doing this) enjoy exemptions to the law when the abuse is carried out in the name of religion.
Only 16 states are smart in this and do not allow for these religious exemptions. The rest of the 34 let parents lega6abuse their child when the abuse is commanded by their god.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
exactly!
Children do not have the capacity to think critically and teachers are indoctrinating them in that when they say they are not sure who they are, they tell them that that’s all right and they can be anything they want.

Grooming because they are telling children that having sex anytime and with anybody it’s normal.

Eliminating parental rights is the first step for control and grooming into their cultural beliefs.

these words are not loosely being thrown around, they are being enacted
This whole post well shows why layman's opinions should not count or matter, especially when so grossly and severely under and misinformed on the subject, especially when you stuff your fingers in your ears to not listen to those who this effects, like trans and gays who say they definitely knew even as a kid. But, yeah, do go ahead and keep telling us we didn't actually know even though we did.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
exactly!
Children do not have the capacity to think critically and teachers are indoctrinating them in that when they say they are not sure who they are, they tell them that that’s all right and they can be anything they want.

Grooming because they are telling children that having sex anytime and with anybody it’s normal.

Eliminating parental rights is the first step for control and grooming into their cultural beliefs.

these words are not loosely being thrown around, they are being enacted
Reading this reminded me of your claims of "grooming."
Parents push back on allegations against St. Louis transgender center. ‘I’m baffled.’
Reed, of south St. Louis County, alleges that families were rushed toward medical interventions without regard to whether adolescents were in extreme mental health distress. She claims side effects were glossed over, and drugs were prescribed even if one parent did not consent.


But parents interviewed by the Post-Dispatch cast doubt on Reed’s ability to know what happened inside exam rooms as an employee who did not have a medical or managerial role, and whom they rarely saw. The case manager’s job duties, as described in a Washington U. posting, comprise patient intake, scheduling appointments and providing information about community resources to families.

Reed emailed parents with reminders, asking them to contact her with questions. The printouts that were attached detailed medical protocols, including side effects, risks and reversibility. They listed contact information for dozens of local wraparound services, LGBTQ advocacy organizations and licensed mental health professionals.
Patients recounted that the staff explained procedures using both medical and everyday vocabulary.

“The doctor reached out to me after hours to answer my questions and make sure I understood what my treatment plan was,” said a 16-year-old from the St. Louis area.

Rather than the “rapid medicalization” and “poor assessment of mental health concerns” that Reed cited in a complaint sent to Bailey in January, parents reported a well-defined, step-by-step approach that could be halted at any time.
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Children do not have the capacity to think critically and teachers are indoctrinating them in that when they say they are not sure who they are, they tell them that that’s all right and they can be anything they want.
What??? "Teachers are indoctrinating them"??? Some, maybe; and they should be confronted if they do so and most likely would be. And teachers supposedly indoctrinate but preachers don't?

Grooming because they are telling children that having sex anytime and with anybody it’s normal.
I guarantee you pretty much any teacher in any public school would be called on the carpet if they did such nonsense. I know, I taught for 36 years, and my oldest daughter teaches still today.

As long as you allow yourself to be buffaloed by right-wing sources, you'll just continue to post such garbage.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
You think it's indoctrination to tell a child they can be whatever they want? You've got a strange idea of what indoctrination is.

I love how all of a sudden, teachers are all evil groomers, because Fox News repeats it, ad nauseam. This culture wars nonsense they've been pushing is really getting out of hand.

WOW! That is a great way to change the goal posts. Let me see if you still know what we are talking about... what are we talking about?

Sorry, who's telling children to have sex?

Let me ask you another question. You go into a 7th grade class. You tell them all they need to know about cars - the danger of them - what they are for... how to be safe... and then you hand them a car.

What are you telling them?

Sorry, what cultural beliefs?

I'm sorry... are you lost?

Oh, they're being loosely thrown around, alright. If you think teaching children they can be whatever they want is a grooming/indoctrination technique, then you're not using the words properly.

Please refer back to first question ;)
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Some, maybe; and they should be confronted if they do so and most likely would be. And teachers supposedly indoctrinate but preachers don't?

Do you really think I am talking about all teachers?

I guarantee you pretty much any teacher in any public school would be called on the carpet if they did such nonsense. I know, I taught for 36 years, and my oldest daughter teaches still today.

As long as you allow yourself to be buffaloed by right-wing sources, you'll just continue to post such garbage.

What we taught for 36 years... 10 years ago isn't what they are teaching today.

I have a church that has school secretaries, teachers and principles. I think I have a pretty good idea of what they are dealing with.

Forgive me if my passion for children and youth bleeds through.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
And this is why I do not want home schooling and charter schools funded through taxes as it can help feed various forms of segregation. Public schools have helped this country to be the great melting pot that it is, and I seriously do believe children need to learn from their differences and also to cope with such diversity, especially since when the get into the marketplace they'll have to deal with it.
I disagree strongly with home schooling unless there are safety concerns, such as medical conditions, guns, weather, etc.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
exactly!
Children do not have the capacity to think critically and teachers are indoctrinating them in that when they say they are not sure who they are, they tell them that that’s all right and they can be anything they want.

Grooming because they are telling children that having sex anytime and with anybody it’s normal.

Eliminating parental rights is the first step for control and grooming into their cultural beliefs.

these words are not loosely being thrown around, they are being enacted
You forgot to mention the motivation you think is behind this supposed grooming of the kids by teachers. What are you trying to say the teachers' goals here are, with what you are calling grooming behaviour?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Do you really think I am talking about all teachers?
This is what you wrote: Children do not have the capacity to think critically and teachers are indoctrinating them in that when they say they are not sure who they are, they tell them that that’s all right and they can be anything they want.
There's no "some" or "many" to qualify it, so what else are we supposed to think?

What we taught for 36 years... 10 years ago isn't what they are teaching today.
You have no clue what you're talking about, and I do keep track of what goes in in my school district and my state. I live in a mostly white district with a pretty equal mixture of Dems and Pubs, so if what you were saying was even remotely true, we'd be hearing screams from the rooftops!

Forgive me if my passion for children and youth bleeds through.
The passion is there, but you're misdirecting it through using stereotypes and slandering innocent others.

I went into teaching for the students, Ken. My daughter still teaches; one of my granddaughters is a professor of mathematics; another granddaughter is more than halfway through her studies to become an elementary teacher, etc. My point is this is a great profession that so many don't appreciate in terms of how hard we work and how little appreciation we get from all too many. My heart is still there, and if I had to do it all over again I would without hesitation.

But this isn't about me-- it's about so many who work their tail off in schools throughout the country and then have to read or hear things like that which I quoted you as saying above. And we shouldn't allow our ourselves to indoctrinate students, whether one be a teacher or a pastor, but we also should not fail to challenge them so as to try and see other points of view or all what we would be doing is brainwashing them.

Hope you understand.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Let me ask you another question. You go into a 7th grade class. You tell them all they need to know about cars - the danger of them - what they are for... how to be safe... and then you hand them a car.

What are you telling them?
How to handle a car safely (and thus help keep others safe) so they are prepared amd ready when they do start driving. Helping them not be confused, less likely to press peddles to hard, not over correcting on the wheel, drive in the rain and snow, and other things they need to know about safe, defensive driving.
If these are farm kids and country kids a good number of them are already driving anyways (we were told to quit drive ourselves to our driving tests, and we ignored that anyways).
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
WOW! That is a great way to change the goal posts. Let me see if you still know what we are talking about... what are we talking about?
Change the goal posts? You brought up indoctrination. You brought up grooming.

Let me ask you another question. You go into a 7th grade class. You tell them all they need to know about cars - the danger of them - what they are for... how to be safe... and then you hand them a car.
What are you telling them?
I would tell them that this analogy doesn't make sense.

I would tell them that they're probably going to drive one day, and it's good to be well informed about everything having to do with driving a car. But perhaps you could explain how this analogy relates to the discussion topic?

I'm sorry... are you lost?
Apparently. Maybe if you answered the question ..

What cultural beliefs are you talking about?

Please refer back to first question ;)
No thanks. I've been in enough discussions with you to know how this is going to go. 'Round and 'round in circles.[/QUOTE]
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
This is what you wrote: Children do not have the capacity to think critically and teachers are indoctrinating them in that when they say they are not sure who they are, they tell them that that’s all right and they can be anything they want.
There's no "some" or "many" to qualify it, so what else are we supposed to think?

You have no clue what you're talking about, and I do keep track of what goes in in my school district and my state. I live in a mostly white district with a pretty equal mixture of Dems and Pubs, so if what you were saying was even remotely true, we'd be hearing screams from the rooftops!

The passion is there, but you're misdirecting it through using stereotypes and slandering innocent others.

I went into teaching for the students, Ken. My daughter still teaches; one of my granddaughters is a professor of mathematics; another granddaughter is more than halfway through her studies to become an elementary teacher, etc. My point is this is a great profession that so many don't appreciate in terms of how hard we work and how little appreciation we get from all too many. My heart is still there, and if I had to do it all over again I would without hesitation.

But this isn't about me-- it's about so many who work their tail off in schools throughout the country and then have to read or hear things like that which I quoted you as saying above. And we shouldn't allow our ourselves to indoctrinate students, whether one be a teacher or a pastor, but we also should not fail to challenge them so as to try and see other points of view or all what we would be doing is brainwashing them.

Hope you understand.
This! ^^^^
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
This is what you wrote: Children do not have the capacity to think critically and teachers are indoctrinating them in that when they say they are not sure who they are, they tell them that that’s all right and they can be anything they want.
There's no "some" or "many" to qualify it, so what else are we supposed to think?

OK... let me qualify (although I thought it was pretty evident since "teachers" doesn't mean "all teachers) -

So.. qualified... Some teachers and School Boards not a few.

You have no clue what you're talking about, and I do keep track of what goes in in my school district and my state. I live in a mostly white district with a pretty equal mixture of Dems and Pubs, so if what you were saying was even remotely true, we'd be hearing screams from the rooftops!

I beg to differ. I have teachers, band teachers, high school teachers, and even child care teachers along with someone who works in the school board. Not to mention that as we talk about it with other pastors, it is consistent.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
How to handle a car safely (and thus help keep others safe) so they are prepared amd ready when they do start driving. Helping them not be confused, less likely to press peddles to hard, not over correcting on the wheel, drive in the rain and snow, and other things they need to know about safe, defensive driving.
If these are farm kids and country kids a good number of them are already driving anyways (we were told to quit drive ourselves to our driving tests, and we ignored that anyways).
Hmmm.... I don't think you read what I wrote. Do you give them keys to a car? And if some drive anyway, you spank the parent. You don't reward them and say "oh well - kids are kids and here are the keys, just remember what you were taught".
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
No thanks. I've been in enough discussions with you to know how this is going to go. 'Round and 'round in circles.

EXACTLY! That's why I don't go too deep with you. :)

Change the goal posts? You brought up indoctrination. You brought up grooming.

Yes... change the goal post. "I love how all of a sudden, teachers are all evil groomers, because Fox News repeats it, ad nauseam." - let's stick with the issue at hand- remember the school board statement and the parents filing them up and them being shut down?

I would tell them that this analogy doesn't make sense.

I would tell them that they're probably going to drive one day, and it's good to be well informed about everything having to do with driving a car. But perhaps you could explain how this analogy relates to the discussion topic?

It might be too deep. "Here is all you need to know about sex, sex changes, abortions et al. Now, here are the condoms and if you need any further help, don't tell your parents, just come to us" - and here are the keys to the car to help you too.

Pretty simple unless you are sooo for what is happening, you simply ignore reality.

Apparently. Maybe if you answered the question ..

What cultural beliefs are you talking about?

If you don't know the culture of today... I really can't help you. Get a pair of glasses or take the dark ones off? :cool:
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Hmmm.... I don't think you read what I wrote. Do you give them keys to a car? And if some drive anyway, you spank the parent. You don't reward them and say "oh well - kids are kids and here are the keys, just remember what you were taught".
Again, work on your reading comprehension. Spank the parents? Where in the bluest of blue hells did you manage to come up with that one?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Again, work on your reading comprehension. Spank the parents? Where in the bluest of blue hells did you manage to come up with that one?
They do it all the time.. not sure just exactly what you mean.

For an example:

A provision within the California Vehicle Code absolutely prohibits a parent to cause or knowingly permit a minor to drive unless licensed under the California Vehicle Code. The fine should be about $200.00

Parents got their hands smacked. ;)
 
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