Religious Nationalism in the US

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Trump White House Pressed Twitter To Remove Chrissy Teigen Insult, Ex-Exec Testifies

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarado...gen-insult-ex-exec-testifies/?sh=6b6bb937ed47

If that really happened, why didn't they impeach him for that? I don't believe it happened.

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Instead, former Twitter officials revealed on Wednesday that former President Donald Trump not only received preferential treatment for years, but he also directly requested the site remove tweets that he didn’t like. At the same time, they also noted that President Joe Biden hadn’t contacted Twitter to take down any tweets or censor content."
Ex-Twitter Officials Confirm to Congress: Trump, Not Biden, Has Tried to Censor Tweets
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It is interesting how they try to explain everything for their benefit.

 

[1213]

You seem to think socialists are just people who want things for themselves when in actuality, they are people who want things that benefit everyone in the community, like paved roads, fire departments, libraries, police departments, universal health care, etc. It's not about getting stuff for oneself.

Maybe it is more about they don't want to do anything themselves for it.

Wanting all those things is not really about socialism. Non-socialists can also want to have all those things. The difference is in how people want them.

 

[SkepticThinker]

And I would disagree.

Since I have been in the meetings and know a School Board Member personally, it is very real and filled with real life information.

I've been to them too. And I've heard all kinds of nonsensical things that aren't true. As explained in my last post in the part you cut out.

Wisconsin school district defends training staff to hide student sexual identity from parents

Tell me this is made up, please.

Come up with better news sources and we'll talk. Fox "News" is currently engaged in a lawsuit, where it's quite obvious that they knowingly report(ed) lies which is evident in the emails shared between everyone at the network, especially pertaining to supposed election fraud, which they knew was false. So, sorry, but I can't take them seriously, and neither should you. They aren't news. They are a propaganda arm of the Republican party. They are pushing their culture wars nonsense for them. Junk like this. Ask Rupert Murdoch.

Lawsuit filing shows Fox hosts didn't believe election fraud lies they pushed on TV
Fox Stars Privately Expressed Disbelief About Election Fraud Claims. ‘Crazy Stuff.’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/02/27/rupert-murdoch-testimony-fox-dominion/
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1159...ion-voting-rupert-murdoch-2020-election-fraud
Fox News stars and staffers privately blasted election fraud claims as bogus, court filing shows

 

[SkepticThinker]

Why do you think telling the truth is considered an insult?

LOL Is that how you rationalize it?

 

[Kenny]

I've been to them too. And I've heard all kinds of nonsensical things that aren't true. As explained in my last post in the part you cut out.


Come up with better news sources and we'll talk. Fox "News" is currently engaged in a lawsuit, where it's quite obvious that they knowingly report(ed) lies which is evident in the emails shared between everyone at the network, especially pertaining to supposed election fraud, which they knew was false. So, sorry, but I can't take them seriously, and neither should you. They aren't news. They are a propaganda arm of the Republican party. They are pushing their culture wars nonsense for them. Junk like this. Ask Rupert Murdoch.

Lawsuit filing shows Fox hosts didn't believe election fraud lies they pushed on TV
Fox Stars Privately Expressed Disbelief About Election Fraud Claims. ‘Crazy Stuff.’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/02/27/rupert-murdoch-testimony-fox-dominion/
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1159...ion-voting-rupert-murdoch-2020-election-fraud
Fox News stars and staffers privately blasted election fraud claims as bogus, court filing shows

Isn't it interesting that the site I gave isn't Fox news. It's almost like what you are trying to say is, "I don't care what information you give, I don't want to accept it".

It also shows you weren't really interested in the information in the first place because had you actually "clicked" on the link you wouldn't have posted what you posted.

Bias in full display.

 

[Kenny]

I've been to them too. And I've heard all kinds of nonsensical things that aren't true. As explained in my last post in the part you cut out.


Come up with better news sources and we'll talk. Fox "News" is currently engaged in a lawsuit, where it's quite obvious that they knowingly report(ed) lies which is evident in the emails shared between everyone at the network, especially pertaining to supposed election fraud, which they knew was false. So, sorry, but I can't take them seriously, and neither should you. They aren't news. They are a propaganda arm of the Republican party. They are pushing their culture wars nonsense for them. Junk like this. Ask Rupert Murdoch.

Lawsuit filing shows Fox hosts didn't believe election fraud lies they pushed on TV
Fox Stars Privately Expressed Disbelief About Election Fraud Claims. ‘Crazy Stuff.’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/02/27/rupert-murdoch-testimony-fox-dominion/
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1159...ion-voting-rupert-murdoch-2020-election-fraud
Fox News stars and staffers privately blasted election fraud claims as bogus, court filing shows

Isn't it interesting that the site I gave isn't Fox news. It's almost like what you are trying to say is, "I don't care what information you give, I don't want to accept it".

 

[SkepticThinker]

If that really happened, why didn't they impeach him for that? I don't believe it happened.

Of course you don't because it doesn't fit your narrative. Even when the evidence is placed in front of you, apparently.
That's called cognitive dissonance.

It is interesting how they try to explain everything for their benefit.

LOL So here we have a clear example of your boy Trump doing exactly what you were attacking others for, and look at that, suddenly it's everyone else's fault. You can't even bring yourself to admit it.

A story just broke yesterday, I think, where Trump had his staff repeatedly call Disney executives to whine and complain about Jimmy Kimmel making jokes about him and tried to pressure them to censor Jimmy. The President of the United States actually wasted his and others' time on that all because his feelings were hurt. I'm sure you'll find some way to rationalize that away too.

Trump White House Pressured Disney to Censor Jimmy Kimmel – Rolling Stone
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-kn...isney-about-jimmy-kimmel-jokes-on-abc-report/[/QUOTE]

 

[SkepticThinker]

Isn't it interesting that the site I gave isn't Fox news. It's almost like what you are trying to say is, "I don't care what information you give, I don't want to accept it".

It also shows you weren't really interested in the information in the first place because had you actually "clicked" on the link you wouldn't have posted what you posted.

Bias in full display.

Oh, pardon me then. It looks exactly like the Fox News home page. Instead, you linked me to a right- leaning political journal.


"School board President Tim Nordin also defended the training, telling WQOW, "This isn't about that slide alone. This was a professional development session talking about students who are LGBTQ and the extremely high rates they have of mental health difficulties, suicide attempts, and depression."

"It's a parent's responsibility to help their student become the best person that they can be, to live their true self, but when those students don't feel safe at home, where are they supposed to go?" Nordin asked the outlet."

 

[Sand Dancer]

Because parents are the guardians of our children. We are responsible for them while they are in this vulnerable state. It doesn't imply they are property.

Same with the earth. We are to take care of it, not run roughshod with no regard.

 

[Kenny]

Oh, pardon me then. It looks exactly like the Fox News home page. Instead, you linked me to a right- leaning political journal.


"School board President Tim Nordin also defended the training, telling WQOW, "This isn't about that slide alone. This was a professional development session talking about students who are LGBTQ and the extremely high rates they have of mental health difficulties, suicide attempts, and depression."

"It's a parent's responsibility to help their student become the best person that they can be, to live their true self, but when those students don't feel safe at home, where are they supposed to go?" Nordin asked the outlet."

The problem, as you so exemplified, wasn't the "site" since you never looked at it. It wasn't the information, since I have observed you really aren't interested in the information for your lack of double checking.

So, unless you can prove me wrong, it is up to you now to show how wrong I am by reliable sites.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The problem, as you so exemplified, wasn't the "site" since you never looked at it. It wasn't the information, since I have observed you really aren't interested in the information for your lack of double checking.

Actually I did look at it, as I just told you. And also as I just told you, the page looks exactly like the Fox News home page to me. Are you calling me dishonest now?
And let's be clear here, what you did provide was an article from a right-leaning political journal that used to be a tabloid magazine.

So, unless you can prove me wrong, it is up to you now to show how wrong I am by reliable sites.

I don't see the problem. What problem are you trying to highlight with the article you posted?

 

[metis]

Why do you think telling the truth is considered an insult?

I wasn't talking about when he told the truth.

All you have to do is to go back and watch any of Trump's rallies and then compare his demeanor to Christ's demeanor in his Sermon On the Mount, for example. You can access the former on YouTube, btw, so why not give it a go?

Here's one of them just recently: Live: Trump Holds Campaign Rally In Georgia | NBC News - YouTube

 

[Kenny]

Actually I did look at it, as I just told you. And also as I just told you, the page looks exactly like the Fox News home page to me. Are you calling me dishonest now?
And let's be clear here, what you did provide was an article from a right-leaning political journal that used to be a tabloid magazine.

Not dishonest at all... just the fact that you really do any research as it is quite obvious it isn't Fox -- no mention at all. Perhaps what you wanted to say was "My fault, my mistake"?

Forgive me if I was a little skeptical as a thinker when obvious mistakes are made.

Did you want me to find a left leaning outlet that don't want to report on these things?

I don't see the problem. What problem are you trying to highlight with the article you posted?

Hiding information from parents? Is it that so hard to read? Which, as a skeptic, may I ask, "Did you even read the article?"

 

[SkepticThinker]

Not dishonest at all... just the fact that you really do any research as it is quite obvious it isn't Fox -- no mention at all. Perhaps what you wanted to say was "My fault, my mistake"?

Forgive me if I was a little skeptical as a thinker when obvious mistakes are made.

Did you want me to find a left leaning outlet that don't want to report on these things?

I already pointed out that I made a mistake. How long are we going to go on about it? It's not as though the news source you provided was actually a great one or something.

Hiding information from parents? Is it that so hard to read? Which, as a skeptic, may I ask, "Did you even read the article?"

Yes, and I even quoted the part I found pertinent.

"School board President Tim Nordin also defended the training, telling WQOW, "This isn't about that slide alone. This was a professional development session talking about students who are LGBTQ and the extremely high rates they have of mental health difficulties, suicide attempts, and depression."

"It's a parent's responsibility to help their student become the best person that they can be, to live their true self, but when those students don't feel safe at home, where are they supposed to go?" Nordin asked the outlet."

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Why do you think telling the truth is considered an insult?

Let me give you an example. Let's say Sally is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and Joe tells her she is stupid. He told her the truth, but it was rude and insulting. So yes, truth can be insulting.

 

[Kenny]

I already pointed out that I made a mistake. How long are we going to go on about it? It's not as though the news source you provided was actually a great one or something.

Alright already. Let's put it to rest!

Yes, and I even quoted the part I found pertinent.

"School board President Tim Nordin also defended the training, telling WQOW, "This isn't about that slide alone. This was a professional development session talking about students who are LGBTQ and the extremely high rates they have of mental health difficulties, suicide attempts, and depression."

"It's a parent's responsibility to help their student become the best person that they can be, to live their true self, but when those students don't feel safe at home, where are they supposed to go?" Nordin asked the outlet."

So?

My children didn't want to go to school. Just who is the parent? The child?

Ask a child, "do you feel your parents listen to you when you don't want to do homework?"

Who is the one who will determine what "the best person that they can be" looks like? The child?

Parental right trumps all of that unless there is abuse.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Alright already. Let's put it to rest!



So?

My children didn't want to go to school. Just who is the parent? The child?

Ask a child, "do you feel your parents listen to you when you don't want to do homework?"

Who is the one who will determine what "the best person that they can be" looks like? The child?

Parental right trumps all of that unless there is abuse.

Do you not realize that some children are abused and neglected at home? A lot, actually.

 

[Kenny]

Do you not realize that some children are abused and neglected at home? A lot, actually.

That.... is another and different subject.

 

[1213]

Let me give you an example. Let's say Sally is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and Joe tells her she is stupid. He told her the truth, but it was rude and insulting. So yes, truth can be insulting.

Yes, but you didn't answer to my question, why it is insulting, if it is true?

 

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....Even when the evidence is placed in front of you,...

I don't think rumors are the same as evidence.