Republican House Whip Shot!

[Grumpuss]

Not nearly as disgusting as ring wingnuts claiming Sandy Hook was a hoax and "if" it did happen then it could have been avoided if more grade school teachers carried firearms, before the bodies had cooled.

What? How does one justify the other?

Get back to us when the libtards claim it's a GOP hoax to argue for more lax gun laws or mocks the victimized politicians for relying on security details instead of caring their own guns given they insist on making them readily accessible to every other asshat with an axe to grind.

Would you like to bet on when some libtard claims hoax?

 

[Callisto]

What? How does one justify the other?

Copy and paste where I said either was justified.

Would you like to bet on when some libtard claims hoax?

Sure, I'm always ups for making easy money. But to be fair, I'll point out to you that the when it comes to crying 'hoax' the repubtards have cornered the market on that particular delusion.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

The shooter was a big time Bernie supporter so he definitely had a mental illness.

Very different times with very different laws in effect. Citizens now have much more rights then their colonial counterparts. For one, the constitution wasn't created until after what you mentioned.

Quite true, the Constitution was not written. Yet it's the Declaration of Independence that sets the precedence and expectation to overthrow corrupt government. It may be a different time, and we may have different rights than the Colonies (though I've seen arguments that our oppression by our own government is worse than in 1776 from the crown,) but the core of humanity has changed very little. Our voices are not being heard, they are in fact being actively ignored, and violence will be the resulting outcome of that oppression.

 

[Grumpuss]

Copy and paste where I said either was justified.

What were you attempting to do, then? Bringing up Sandy Hook in any conversation about gun violence, shows you trying to use an extreme to minimize a situation. The two are not analogous events and in fact had two pistol-wielding security officers been present at Sandy Hook that day, as they were present today, there might've well been less carnage.

Sure, I'm always ups for making easy money. But to be fair, I'll point out to you that the when it comes to crying 'hoax' the repubtards have cornered the market on that particular delusion.

One mention of "hoax", anywhere on the Internet or other media, by anyone left-leaning, regardless of position?

And you're insane if you don't think hoaxes aren't at an all-time high.

 

[Callisto]

What were you attempting to do, then? Bringing up Sandy Hook in any conversation about gun violence, shows you trying to use an extreme to minimize a situation. The two are not analogous events and in fact had two pistol-wielding security officers been present at Sandy Hook that day, as they were present today, there might've well been less carnage.


One mention of "hoax", anywhere on the Internet or other media, by anyone left-leaning, regardless of position?

And you're insane if you don't think hoaxes aren't at an all-time high.

Wrong.

I brought it up because, per usual, people are responding not on the severity of the situation but based on what party they align with. It's called throwing a cold glass of water to snap them back into reality.

Btw, while some cretins were dismissing Sandy Hook as a hoax their fellow cretins claimed teachers should have been armed, not whether the school should have hired armed security.

Please provide a link where any liberal has said today's incident was a hoax.

 

[BSM1]

Never show up with a whip to a gun fight.

Uhhh...too subtle?

 

[Grumpuss]

Wrong.

I brought it up because, per usual, people are responding not on the severity of the situation but based on what party they align with. It's called throwing a cold glass of water to snap them back into reality.

We're lucky to have you?

Btw, while some cretins were dismissing Sandy Hook as a hoax their fellow cretins claimed teachers should have been armed, not whether the school should have hired armed security.

Presumably the teachers would've had training too? The point is, it's a stupid comparison. This isn't about guns or gun control, but dangerous ideology. The VA governor came out minutes after the shooting today and attempted to start a gun control argument, completely omitting the fact that this shooter was chock full of "Something needs to be done about Trump!" neologisms.

Please provide a link where any liberal has said today's incident was a hoax.

Wait- I don't get a period of time for the hoax claim to develop? I think 24 or 48 hours would be fair. Btw- what are the stakes to this bet?

 

[suncowiam]

Quite true, the Constitution was not written. Yet it's the Declaration of Independence that sets the precedence and expectation to overthrow corrupt government. It may be a different time, and we may have different rights than the Colonies (though I've seen arguments that our oppression by our own government is worse than in 1776 from the crown,) but the core of humanity has changed very little. Our voices are not being heard, they are in fact being actively ignored, and violence will be the resulting outcome of that oppression.

How about we try voting first? Just a simple suggestion.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Republican House Whip Steve Scalise, congressional staffer shot in Virginia shooting

A gunman targeted a group of Republican congressman practicing at a baseball field.

Congressman Steve Scalise, a staffer, and two Capitol Hill policeman were shot. Scalise is expected to recover (shot in hip) but no word yet on the others.

Sending good vibes towards those injured, for a quick recovery!

Best wishes for a speedy recovery for all of the victims and for patience for their families.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

How about we try voting first? Just a simple suggestion.

We did. And our votes were ignored.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

We did. And our votes were ignored.

Indeed. My votes were literally tossed into the Trash Can-- as were every other Democratic/Independent votes in the ugly state of Oklahomer.

Meanwhile, all the GOP votes count EIGHT TIMES as much as ONE vote in NY.

The trumpGrabEm entered the Race to the White House, and Lost-- but the EC gave him a Participation Trophy anyway.

 

[Callisto]

We're lucky to have you?

You said it, not I.

Presumably the teachers would've had training too?

Presumably? Please explain.

The point is, it's a stupid comparison. This isn't about guns or gun control, but dangerous ideology.

That might well be your point but it's a naive one. Gun control is very much dictated by the dangerous ideologies of those foaming at the mouth on either side of the argument and by the loons that cause disruptions like this or Sandy Hook or Gabby Gifford's attempted assassination. Or have you simply not been following the recurring debate over the past few decades?

The VA governor came out minutes after the shooting today and attempted to start a gun control argument, completely omitting the fact that this shooter was chock full of "Something needs to be done about Trump!" neologisms.

What does it matter what the idiot was raving? The point remains, regardless of partisanship, that there is an issue regarding civil rights (be it owning firearms or the right to go about your day without taking a bullet) that is not and has not been responsibly addressed.

Wait- I don't get a period of time for the hoax claim to develop? I think 24 or 48 hours would be fair. Btw- what are the stakes to this bet?

Did it take that long for the Sandy Hook hoax?

 

[Confucian Mormon Buddhist]

Just another day in America.

I think the shooter may be a disgruntled veteran. The GOP just passed a couple veteran bills (which probably don't help veterans)

Not hardly. It was a Sanders supporter.

Suspect in congressional shooting was Bernie Sanders supporter, strongly anti-Trump - CNN.com

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

It us unfortunate that someone was shot. The victims are very fortunate we live in a Modern Age, where scientific based medicine will likely ensure a speedy recovery.

It is even more unfortunate that the NRA has so bamboozled people into FEAR of any rational gun control efforts; indeed we have UnDone the efforts of the GOP Saint, Ronald Reagon.

Ironic? Not at all-- the GOP worships at the Altar of Almighty Profits-- profits for ALL-- (so long as you are rich).

This latest shooting will be leveraged by the NRA goons to bring even MORE profits into their coffers.

 

[Confucian Mormon Buddhist]

Indeed. My votes were literally tossed into the Trash Can-- as were every other Democratic/Independent votes in the ugly state of Oklahomer.

Meanwhile, all the GOP votes count EIGHT TIMES as much as ONE vote in NY.

The trumpGrabEm entered the Race to the White House, and Lost-- but the EC gave him a Participation Trophy anyway.

Yeah, because YOUR vote ISN'T supposed to be what determines the Presidency. The President ISN'T supposed to be elected by the people. He's elected by the states.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Yeah, because YOUR vote ISN'T supposed to be what determines the Presidency. The President ISN'T supposed to be elected by the people. He's elected by the states.

And that is all kinds of wrong. We are a Nation-- not a Confederacy.

The whole "states rights" bull-exhaust was a concession to the slave-states, so the founders could get this thing ratified.

We quickly eliminated the very stupid "let the state governments select the US Senators" boondoggle.

It's long past time when the US President was for the People -- not the states. Time to eliminate the Elitist Electoral College

 

[Grumpuss]

How about we try voting first? Just a simple suggestion.

Naw- it's a lot easier to moan and complain at the result afterwards.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Indeed. My votes were literally tossed into the Trash Can-- as were every other Democratic/Independent votes in the ugly state of Oklahomer.

So were mine. In the primaries I was told that my voter registration couldn't be found, despite both of my parents being listed. I also saw several Independents (ages 40+) asked which party they wanted to vote for: Democrat or Republican. When I came back with the proper paperwork that showed that was registered to vote, they miraculously found my registration, but informed me that I would have to fill out a provisional (paper) ballot. rather than being allowed to vote electronically.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Excuse me?

Being a bit sardonic that's all. Plus I have better things to worry about than being polite about my views at the moment.

 

[Grumpuss]

Presumably? Please explain.

You invoked Sandy Hook, not me. Were people just advocating teachers be allowed to bring in their own guns? Was a solution floated to hire an armed guard? Was the school district to supply the weapons, possibly ammunition, but no training?

And what did the school district go with in the end?

That might well be your point but it's a naive one. Gun control is very much dictated by the dangerous ideologies of those foaming at the mouth on either side of the argument and by the loons that cause disruptions like this or Sandy Hook or Gabby Gifford's attempted assassination. Or have you simply not been following the recurring debate over the past few decades?

I certainly don't subscribe to either of the extreme positions on gun control, as you appear to do, no.

What does it matter what the idiot was raving? The point remains, regardless of partisanship, that there is an issue regarding civil rights (be it owning firearms or the right to go about your day without taking a bullet) that is not and has not been responsibly addressed.

Except that we keep hearing that it's the crazy gun-toting Right that is always responsible for shutting down gun control. Why do we never hear about the crazy gun-toting Left and its failure to reform our mental health crisis?

Did it take that long for the Sandy Hook hoax?

Oooh- a side bet! You show me that Alex Jones and his hoax posse developed within 8 hours of Sandy Hook.

But here you go:

The stakes were $5,000.00. Please have your check made out to "Grumpuss".