What indications are you referring to?
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Republican House Whip Shot!
- Thread starter Falvlun
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You can prove that the nuclear bomb saved more American lives than it did Japanese lives but I think it ends there.
Btw, I'm on the US side of that debate. It ended the war without more US casualties. Japan should have conceded after the first drop.
In some of the cases you mentioned, it's subjective as to whether a gun actually saved a life. What's not subjective is the firing of a gun resulting in the death of an individual by the piercing of the bullet. That is 100% causality from gun to death.
But like I asked, will you accept statistics that will point to more deaths than lives being saved? So you won't and whatever I say next won't matter.
You think I'm crazy to assert that Trump is a mess? That his team is a mess?
I have no idea if Trump will be impeached. All I know is that there are processes being played out that could result in it. I'm not asserting anything else.
Not sure why you bring up Hillary. I hope she doesn't get involve in the next election, so we're in agreement... I think.
Grumpuss
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1. The lack of evidence directly tying Trump to Russian hacking
2. The failure to date of any Congressional investigations to provide significant evidence of Russian hacking.
3. The unlikelihood of a Republican-controlled Congress to impeach a Republican president.
Grumpuss
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Who is it you think were the bad guys / aggressors in WWII? Also, based on what was seen at Okinawa, it was likely that millions of Japanese civilians would've resisted with their lives. Less than 400k civilians died in the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- far less than died in the conventional firebombing campaigns.
And yet strangely they didn't. But then after we proved we had a second weapon (and likely a 3rd and 4th to follow), they surrendered unconditionally.
The recent terrorist plots in the UK haven't involved guns used by the attackers. They chose to use homemade explosives and vehicles as weapons of mass murder. Yet the responding police shot them dead with guns. Ergo, guns saved lives.
Such statistics don't exist. You are making a fallacious argument that they can be produced when they can't. It would be like me saying that teaching children how to read stops rape. Or that you eating avocados means there will be more vehicle fires in Vermont this summer.But like I asked, will you accept statistics that will point to more deaths than lives being saved? So you won't and whatever I say next won't matter.
Grumpuss
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As pseudo-justification for this morning's assassination attempt? Hell, I don't believe the Republicans are perfect either, but I'm not about to grab an AK-47 to show my displeasure. Less so, I'm not going to justify some whack-job loony leftist's displeasure by saying "Trump is a mess". Trump was voted in, and this violent protest to his leadership needs to stop. Partisan rhetoric of this nature also needs to be reduced drastically.
Nope.
There won't be a better Democrat Party until she exits the stage. All indications are that she hasn't yet.
These investigations have just begun. Mueller was appointed less than a month ago.
Moreover, the possibilities of finding wrongdoing are not limited to "directly tying Trump to Russian hacking".
How did you calculate that probability?
Did you determine what will be the make-up of Congress after mid-term elections?
Who is it you think were the bad guys / aggressors in WWII? Also, based on what was seen at Okinawa, it was likely that millions of Japanese civilians would've resisted with their lives. Less than 400k civilians died in the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- far less than died in the conventional firebombing campaigns.
And yet strangely they didn't. But then after we proved we had a second weapon (and likely a 3rd and 4th to follow), they surrendered unconditionally.
The recent terrorist plots in the UK haven't involved guns used by the attackers. They chose to use homemade explosives and vehicles as weapons of mass murder. Yet the responding police shot them dead with guns. Ergo, guns saved lives.
Such statistics don't exist. You are making a fallacious argument that they can be produced when they can't. It would be like me saying that teaching children how to read stops rape. Or that you eating avocados means there will be more vehicle fires in Vermont this summer.
Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia
Deaths by firearms are recorded. The irony is that lives saved by firearms have not been classified so they are not recorded.
Even the CDC has statistics on deaths related to guns: FastStats
FBI: Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
Firearms and Crime Statistics
I don't control these organizations, yet they all have statistics on gun related deaths. If they don't feel these statistics hold any weight, why then do they keep them?
Trump is very disorganized and so is his team. His communication is not in sync with his public relations.
My assertion of Trump being a mess is no justification for anyone to go killing politicians they dislike.
Indications are that being a horrible president is not an impeachable offense, yet people have been talking of impeaching trump even before he became prez.
Sha'irullah
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Makes sense if you can read English and have an IQ above 70. Other than that I stopped doing hardcore intellectual debates here years ago. Hell, even me of all people has been challenged by their inner demons and left mentally depleted. It happens to all of us, although it just so happens to occur to others more often
Your insinuation here is a problem. We cannot equate political dissidence, or disapproval of Trump, with crazy, violent gunmen.
The fact remains that the vast majority of liberals are non-violent. Disapproval of Trump does not appear to be an indicator for becoming a wanna-be murderer. This guy was an extreme outlier.
I will not stand for such an insinuation, because it may lead to the suppression of liberals or the vocal condemnation of Trump.
See what I mean? You've already extrapolated from one gunman to crowds of liberal assasins.
Historically, Conservative-motivated acts of terror have predominated. There were recently a couple attacks of such a nature. Trump himself insinuated that the "2nd Ammendment people" could do something if Hilary got elected.
I am not saying these things to cast aspersions on all conservatives or to claim that there will be crowds of crazed Republican assasins, like you. I am saying it to give some perspective. A few crazy people do not represent everyone in the group to which they belonged. Unless you think we should be suspicious or worried of conservatives as well, then please back off with your alarmist attitudes regarding liberals. Or maybe you think we should just be scared of everyone?
So basically, you want to say ****ty things without having to defend them. Trans people have nothing to do with this subject. You just threw us in there to be a dick.
Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
The Political Divide In Health Care: A Liberal Perspective
Yes, as already stated besides claims of it having been a hoax the other was the teachers should have been armed. And if you have forgotten it was brought up due to your complaint of, and I quote:
You're the one that chose to go off on the political tangent. So, you have no room for complaint. And, as you indicated, you're biased against the left. If you're going to bring up the politics, expect other points to be added. Like, the liberals aren't the only ones "disgusting" enough to use a tragedy as a soap box.
For starters, Sandy Hook was demolished. About 2 years later a new school was built. As for other schools, security guards were either requested or added. What does that have to do with the fact that a right wingnut response was to arm dozens of grade school teachers?
I see you like to make false accusations, is that your specialty? Once again copy & paste where I voiced an "extreme position" on gun control. What did I say my stance was?
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So, not only do you like to make false accusations but persist in unilaterally revising the supposed bet, including citing parameters that never existed. Why are you not in Trump's cabinet?
You'll have to cut to the gist of the video, I have no time to listen to some YT schmuck blather. Or at least, give the timestamp to whatever you think is the relevant part. Are you now claiming Alex Jones is the only nutter that spouts such garbage? And that nothing was asserted on the same day?
The Sandy Hook shooting took place Dec 14, 2012. Here you go, in LESS than 8 hours:
"Mike Adams couldn’t go 6 hours without promoting an insane conspiracy theory about this school shooting"
Posted by Mark H on December 14, 2012
Thanks, I'll take that $5K in a certified bank check.
Yes, as already stated besides claims of it having been a hoax the other was the teachers should have been armed. And if you have forgotten it was brought up due to your complaint of, and I quote:
"It's disgusting that Leftists have seized upon this moment to try to turn it into a gun control opportunity. The truth is that in this instance, guns saved lives."
You're the one that chose to go off on the political tangent. So, you have no room for complaint. And, as you indicated, you're biased against the left. If you're going to bring up the politics, expect other points to be added. Like, the liberals aren't the only ones "disgusting" enough to use a tragedy as a soap box.
For starters, Sandy Hook was demolished. About 2 years later a new school was built. As for other schools, security guards were either requested or added. What does that have to do with the fact that a right wingnut response was to arm dozens of grade school teachers?
I see you like to make false accusations, is that your specialty? Once again copy & paste where I voiced an "extreme position" on gun control. What did I say my stance was?
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"We never hear", hyperbole much? No liberal calls for reforming our mental health crisis? Like, for example, his from 2005: The Political Divide In Health Care: A Liberal Perspective, or this one from 2013 on a progressives' website, Why Addressing Mental Health Issues Means Reforming The U.S. Prison System? If you made as much effort to do a simple internet search as make erroneous claims about what I've said, you'd find information about liberals and progressives views on mental health.
So, not only do you like to make false accusations but persist in unilaterally revising the supposed bet, including citing parameters that never existed. Why are you not in Trump's cabinet?
You'll have to cut to the gist of the video, I have no time to listen to some YT schmuck blather. Or at least, give the timestamp to whatever you think is the relevant part. Are you now claiming Alex Jones is the only nutter that spouts such garbage? And that nothing was asserted on the same day?
The Sandy Hook shooting took place Dec 14, 2012. Here you go, in LESS than 8 hours:
"Mike Adams couldn’t go 6 hours without promoting an insane conspiracy theory about this school shooting"
Posted by Mark H on December 14, 2012
Thanks, I'll take that $5K in a certified bank check.
Sha'irullah
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No, I threw it in to be relevant and address the degenerates that the DNC encourages. Republicans are already swooping up the religious so I guess the DNC had to absorb other lower hanging fruit to stay in power. Granted not all religious people are nutty and not all transgenders are unstable but there is enough for a million votes on both sides.
You seem to think I am throwing you into the melting pot of disgraced human beings and the poor souls who need help. You seem fine enough to me, a bit too emotional for my taste but still fine.
I really like what you folks have to say about it, and I will try to emulate those sentiments. I wish for a speedy recovery for the wounded. I will try to think about the victims, and I note how ineffectual this attack was on the majority whip.
Um, thanks? Lol.
Grumpuss
Active Member
I thought you meant ideologically. There are people angry enough, based solely on his travel ban, that would take a potshot against him or other Republicans.
james bond
Well-Known Member
Guns aren't the problem. If you ask me, they're the solution. People have to protect themselves because they won't have the police like the politicians do. We have too many wackos walking around this country in addition to the thugs. They are the only things we have if a leftist government gains power and wants to take our rights away from us. Good people need to ramp up their personal armory to include pistols and semi-auto rifles and the best ammo they can afford. Go CCW if you can.
The other huge problem is the leftist media who continue to help divide this country. That's NYT, WaPo, NPR, CNN and Hollywood are to blame for leftist hate and violence. We've had comedians hold up a bloodied head of Trump, we have a play where President Trump gets stabbed and is assassinated, we've had violent leftist protesters who disrupted town halls, beat down Trump supporters, caused violence and anarchy at peaceful marches and more!!! It started getting worse when Obama came into power. What we have now is the Democrats have become the party of terror, violence and the philosophy of holding on to power by any means possible. Even now they continue to support the impeachment or even assassination of President Trump and some of the most vile things imaginable in all the years I've seen US politics.
The shooter was a Bernie Sanders supporter. Sanders himself said that his supporters need to take down Trump. All of this was played up when Sanders doesn't mean anything anymore.
Is this something new by the Democrats? Hell no. They have a long history of violence and fomenting violence when things don't go their way. We've had eight years of Obama and leftist politics shoved down our throats. Enough is enough. If the left want violence in the streets, then they're going to get it.
The other huge problem is the leftist media who continue to help divide this country. That's NYT, WaPo, NPR, CNN and Hollywood are to blame for leftist hate and violence. We've had comedians hold up a bloodied head of Trump, we have a play where President Trump gets stabbed and is assassinated, we've had violent leftist protesters who disrupted town halls, beat down Trump supporters, caused violence and anarchy at peaceful marches and more!!! It started getting worse when Obama came into power. What we have now is the Democrats have become the party of terror, violence and the philosophy of holding on to power by any means possible. Even now they continue to support the impeachment or even assassination of President Trump and some of the most vile things imaginable in all the years I've seen US politics.
The shooter was a Bernie Sanders supporter. Sanders himself said that his supporters need to take down Trump. All of this was played up when Sanders doesn't mean anything anymore.
Is this something new by the Democrats? Hell no. They have a long history of violence and fomenting violence when things don't go their way. We've had eight years of Obama and leftist politics shoved down our throats. Enough is enough. If the left want violence in the streets, then they're going to get it.
Grumpuss
Active Member
Obama didn't have too many cries for his impeachment, but I fear mediocrity in the job or distaste is all the prerequisite detractors will require.
Using the ballot box to show one's displeasure for a candidate isn't instant gratification enough for these babies, I guess.