Republican House Whip Shot!

[suncowiam]

We did. And our votes were ignored.

So, instead of waiting another 3-4 years, you rather go kill a bunch of people. Is that really what you are saying by promoting violence?

Did you forget that before this election, there was 8 years of mostly liberal governing? What makes you so certain that this cannot be established again?

 

[tytlyf]

The truth is that in this instance, guns saved lives.

They also take lives. In this situation, guns are required for defense because of the amount of guns in America. Anyone could be a threat.

Never show up with a whip to a gun fight.

Indiana Jones?

Not hardly. It was a Sanders supporter.

Suspect in congressional shooting was Bernie Sanders supporter, strongly anti-Trump - CNN.com

So you're saying that there are no vets who support Sanders?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

So, instead of waiting another 3-4 years, you rather go kill a bunch of people.

I did NOT say that at all. There's misquoting someone, and then there's crap like that. Neither am I "promoting" violence, I am stating it's inevitability when all other avenues fail. Stow the gaslighting.

Did you forget that before this election, there was 8 years of mostly liberal governing? What makes you so certain that this cannot be established again?

This ignores that the behavior of the current president and the blatant ignorance of not only the American people, but the laws that our government is supposed to uphold is completely unprecedented, and unparalleled by any former president, including Nixon.

 

[Confucian Mormon Buddhist]

And that is all kinds of wrong. We are a Nation-- not a Confederacy.

The whole "states rights" bull-exhaust was a concession to the slave-states, so the founders could get this thing ratified.

We quickly eliminated the very stupid "let the state governments select the US Senators" boondoggle.

It's long past time when the US President was for the People -- not the states. Time to eliminate the Elitist Electoral College

"I don't like following the laws of the country, so we should just force MY interpretation of the Constitution down everybody's throats! REEEEEEE."

The whole damn thing is a list of concessions, but it's the law either way, and the state's rights part wasn't a slave issue at the time.

You know, as a Tennessean, I'm appalled by the idea that the country should be ruled entirely from the major cities. Why should Chicago, New York, and Los Angeles rule the country as their personal dictatorship?

They also take lives. In this situation, guns are required for defense because of the amount of guns in America. Anyone could be a threat.

Indiana Jones?

So you're saying that there are no vets who support Sanders?

No, I'm saying that there was ****-all evidence to support your claim and, as I expected, a Left-winger was behind (gasp!) an attack on a Right-winger.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Being a bit sardonic that's all. Plus I have better things to worry about than being polite about my views at the moment.

Apparently you have better things to worry about than making sense, too.

 

[suncowiam]

I did NOT say that at all. There's misquoting someone, and then there's crap like that. Neither am I "promoting" violence, I am stating it's inevitability when all other avenues fail. Stow the gaslighting.


This ignores that the behavior of the current president and the blatant ignorance of not only the American people, but the laws that our government is supposed to uphold is completely unprecedented, and unparalleled by any former president, including Nixon.

Ok, fair enough. You did not promote violence. You promoted an occurrence of when violence was needed to overthrow an oppressive government. If there was no correlation to that and today then why even bring it up? Why not bring up 8 years ago, when the American public PEACEFULLY voted to change from a conservative president to a liberal president?

Who's ignoring what Trump is doing? I see ongoing investigation to possible collusion and possible obstruction. I see interviews with several key witnesses. I see members of congress lambasting Trump and calling for impeachment. I see an independent panel led by a former FBI director.

So, that all amounts to nothing in your perspective?

Slow down your horses and let the proper processes play out before any further allusion to violence.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's true, I think Trump recently removed Obama's executive order barring people with mental illnesses from being able to buy a weapon.

With respect, dont turn this into another gun debate.

 

[suncowiam]

With respect, dont turn this into another gun debate.

We need more gun debates. Wouldn't you agree there are too many anti-trump posts now?

 

[David1967]

Just another day in America.

I think the shooter may be a disgruntled veteran. The GOP just passed a couple veteran bills (which probably don't help veterans)

This is surprising even for you Ty. Shame on you.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

You promoted

Absolutely nothing. Find me one quote of mine where I condone, incite, suggest, or approve of any action.

If there was no correlation to that and today then why even bring it up?

Such a foundation flies starkly in the face of any notions that such actions are "not the American way", and set historical example relevant to our nation as to the social consequences of oppression.

Why not bring up 8 years ago, when the American public PEACEFULLY voted to change from a conservative president to a liberal president?

Because that voting process was not always peaceful. I distinctly remember being bullied and pressured to vote for Obama, lest I be attacked - both verbally and physically - as a "racist." It is also absolutely irrelevant in that it does not address the issues that we face now, an alarming timeframe of six months into the Trump presidency. It is a red herring, nothing more.

Who's ignoring what Trump is doing? I see ongoing investigation to possible collusion and possible obstruction. I see interviews with several key witnesses. I see members of congress lambasting Trump and calling for impeachment. I see an independent panel led by a former FBI director.

So, that all amounts to nothing in your perspective?

You tell me. What became of Comey's testimony regarding Russia and the hacked election? How's that suite for impeachment based on the absolutely illegal non-separation of Trump's personal business and finances from his government office coming? Where's the outcry over his family being let in on state secrets and proceedings? Who's got the keys to his inflammatory, dangerous, and legally effective Twitter posts? Why are more lawmakers and government officials not checking this behavior?

Slow down your horses and let the proper processes play out before any further allusion to violence.

As it looks right now, the "proper processes" were thrown out the window from Day 1. Proper Process became null and void when millions of American's voices were flat-out ignored. When an election went so far off the rails that the entire system is seen as untrustworthy. When "business as usual" was abandoned in full for chaotic and unpredictable, and that [REDACTED] wall. Proper Process is dead, and what's left is on a dark path to ripping the Nation apart.

Accuse me of alluding to violence again, and I'm just going to report your posts. I've got no time or patience for that line of words to be put in my mouth.

 

[David1967]

A tragedy for sure. I wish a speedy and full recovery for all! Violence cannot be accepted as the new norm for differing opinions and thoughts.

Right. Express differing opinions and debate vigorously. But never should it lead to this. Sad day.

 

[David1967]

And sorry, but ridding "the country of similar thinking" is just the kind of narrow-minded, intolerance of other people for disagreeing kind of thinking that leads to people being violent, so I won't support your approach.

Wish I could rate this a winner more than just once. You are absolutely right.

 

[Grumpuss]

They also take lives. In this situation, guns are required for defense because of the amount of guns in America. Anyone could be a threat.

But everyone isn't. And every gun isn't. This is a textbook example of guns saving lives, and it will go largely unrecognized by people who want to have a gun control debate at the drop of a hat.

No, I'm saying that there was ****-all evidence to support your claim and, as I expected, a Left-winger was behind (gasp!) an attack on a Right-winger.

That'll cause him to think twice?

 

[Twilight Hue]

We need more gun debates. Wouldn't you agree there are too many anti-trump posts now?

It would imv be more productive to ask alternatively as to why people take these things to the extremes.

I don't think it's guns exclusively, nor mental illness in every incident involving a politician and an assailant.

It's no secret leaders who control policies and directive's that affect millions of lives, are going to make enemies . The billion dollar question I think we should collectively be asking is, what is it that sets a person off like a loose cannon to the point where it's felt it necessary enough to take it upon him/herself to take matters into ones own hands?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I reminded of our history in light of very evident events, sun. Not at all what you've accused me of.

 

[suncowiam]

But everyone isn't. And every gun isn't. This is a textbook example of guns saving lives, and it will go largely unrecognized by people who want to have a gun control debate at the drop of a hat.


That'll cause him to think twice?

If you want to assert that an inanimate object can save lives. Then I should be able to assert that the same inanimate object can kill lives.

Then... If I prove by statistics that the same object kills more lives than save lives. Will that conclude this single debate?

 

[suncowiam]

I reminded of our history in light of very evident events, sun. Not at all what you've accused me of.

Well, it's a subjective call.

Not since the Watergate scandal, has any other president been as scrutinized as Trump. And deservedly so! He's a mess. His team is a mess.

Those investigations are not over. Let's see how it plays out. He's killing the GOP right now, IMO.

The Democrats should have a stronger base next time around. Democrats can only F it up again like they did last election.

 

[Grumpuss]

If you want to assert that an inanimate object can save lives. Then I should be able to assert that the same inanimate object can kill lives.

Fair enough. A crazed ultra-liberal, pulsing with social media rage tried to kill today. A police officer who was protecting a public, elected official practicing for a charity baseball event saved lives.

Then... If I prove by statistics that the same object kills more lives than save lives. Will that conclude this single debate?

Except you can't. The countless crimes that may have been prevented by the mere possibility that a homeowner or other potential victim could have fought back, is a negative that can't be disproven with one-sided statistics about gang violence or accidental shootings by dummies "cleaning" their firearms.

Hell, I can prove that use of a nuclear bomb saved millions of lives in WWII, but that didn't deter the no-nuke Rainbow Warrior crowd.

 

[suncowiam]

It would imv be more productive to ask alternatively as to why people take these things to the extremes.

I don't think it's guns exclusively, nor mental illness in every incident involving a politician and an assailant.

It's no secret leaders who control policies and directive's that affect millions of lives, are going to make enemies . The billion dollar question I think we should collectively be asking is, what is it that sets a person off like a loose cannon to the point where it's felt it necessary enough to take it upon him/herself to take matters into ones own hands?

I made the argument in a different thread that it is the owner of the guns that has to be controlled and necessarily the guns. But most people will assert the 2nd amendment and declare victory.

 

[Grumpuss]

Well, it's a subjective call.

Not since the Watergate scandal, has any other president been as scrutinized as Trump. And deservedly so! He's a mess. His team is a mess.

...cue the next batch of crazed left-wing shooters.

Those investigations are not over. Let's see how it plays out. He's killing the GOP right now, IMO.

All indications are that Trump won't be impeached. When the investigations fail to provide evidence or Congress doesn't vote to impeach, what will be the effect upon the gun-toting liberal assassination crowds then?

The Democrats should have a stronger base next time around. Democrats can only F it up again like they did last election.

Looks likely. Hillary still seems to be the candidate of choice for the Democrats, and they can't get rid of her. Oh well, Nixon stuck around after being a loser in 1960...