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Richard Dawkins hasn't read the Quran yet.
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Khubla
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Let it be remembered that all religions of the world was born in the childhood of our species. Children make religion, Grown-ups create science. A childs imagination is more active than its power of reasoning. It is easier for it to fancy then to see. It thinks less then it guesses. The wild flight of fancy is checked only by experience. Religion is the science of the child. Science is the religion of the mature. The multitude is ever joined to its idols; let them alone, I speak to the discerning few. I speak to the mature minds who have left their idols, toys, fancies, and childhoods behind.
Again, I'm not directing this at Islam. I would claim Nazi Germany was evil (subjectively) whilst acknowledging that people within Nazi Germany ran the full gamut from 'good' to 'evil' and from 'oppressor' to 'oppressed'.
Pine
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In response to those who see Dawkins as a hater, I don't view him that way. Islam proves daily how violent it is. I'm sure this is what he based his judgment on. I doubt the Koran would change his mind since it is a book which he considers to be fiction.
If Islam wants its reputation to improve it should practice peace - walk the walk.
If Islam wants its reputation to improve it should practice peace - walk the walk.
Khubla
Member
According to the Sharia law:
• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• The list goes on.
• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• The list goes on.
Just subjectively?
Yep. Only because I technically don't believe in objective evil. I'm giving it 10/10 on the evil scale, dont worry about that.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
I'm a scientist just like Darwin and although there is some truth that extremist religions no matter what religion, no matter what sect, no matter what theological school of thought can be dangerous. I am an avid believer that things that go beyond moderation to the extent that a docile believer that becomes volatile is dangerous. However if we judge Islam on the basis of their religious beliefs without dissecting the cultural-political foundations of such extremism I think we are brandishing our own biases along with our paint brush to paint an entire faith.
Look at the world we live in. There are a lot of angry Muslims who live in poverty, who are uneducated, who do not practice compassion and virtue because they believe a certain way that is taught to them. I believe this psychoanalytical method of looking at the environmental aspect is true of certain cultures that exist in America. I gurantee you in certain parts of America if I go to a specific place and I look like I don't belong, you best believe the "good white Christians" would have me at gunpoint so I can dig my own grave. Just because you see extremist Muslims on television doesn't mean extremist Christians don't exist, nor Jewish extremist, nor Hindu. I like to think despite media coverage all religious nutjobs exist and their culture, and doctrine ought to be examined equally.
Look at the world we live in. There are a lot of angry Muslims who live in poverty, who are uneducated, who do not practice compassion and virtue because they believe a certain way that is taught to them. I believe this psychoanalytical method of looking at the environmental aspect is true of certain cultures that exist in America. I gurantee you in certain parts of America if I go to a specific place and I look like I don't belong, you best believe the "good white Christians" would have me at gunpoint so I can dig my own grave. Just because you see extremist Muslims on television doesn't mean extremist Christians don't exist, nor Jewish extremist, nor Hindu. I like to think despite media coverage all religious nutjobs exist and their culture, and doctrine ought to be examined equally.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
No punishment for Apostasy.
One evidence for that is the physician and philosopher Abu Bakr al-Razi (865925), he was an atheist and he even authored a book denying the existence of God.
He said in his book
On what ground do you deem it necessary that God should single out certain individuals [by giving them prophecy], that he should set them up above other people, that he should appoint them to be the people's guides, and make people dependent upon them?[27]
Reference : Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
And espionage is allowed in Islam, bad deeds.:yes:
Moral relativism, interesting.
Sees
Dragonslayer
This is a unique view of Islam that most don't share. The Qur'an describes after-life punishment and hints at human life present punishment. The two most honored and used hadith flat out say put those who leave Islam to death. Hadith are not seen as trivial to the majority of Muslims past or present.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Prove that God doesn't exist, very easy task.
Science is advanced and still we can't do a simple thing such as reviving the hair follicles once it die.
Challenge what supposed to be done by God then you win and Dawkins too.
Create a mosquito by science , let one man lives for 500 years by science.
Thousands of years passed and we can't prove that the universe created by itself, there was nothing, just vacuum,a complete void.
If you think there was one thing that started everything then that was God.
Your response seems conflicted. So if you were sure it was God ordering you, you still wouldn't obey?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Yes I won't obey for doing bad deeds.
That is the blessing which I think many can't grasp the meaning of the verse.
Just imagine that if God happened to be that kind of rudeness by nature similar to the one example verse in the quran.
imagine if he asked you to kill yourself in order to keep your child alive otherwise he'll take your child and keeps you alive, so God is telling us that he orders us for the good deeds instead and that example for Abraham is to realize this fact.
That's how I understand the verse but it is up to you if you want to interpret it as if God is a bloodthirsty.
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Looncall
Well-Known Member
Just try that in Afghanistan and see how you fare. What counts is how people behave in the here and now, not what is in some old book.
sorry , i just back to your post to ask a question about this :
what you mean by "the effects of Islam" ?
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Afghanistan doesn't represent the Muslim world.
Why not looking to Malaysia.
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Why not Dubai
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Awesome Dubai 2013 - YouTube
Why not Iran
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Tehran - The Magic City 2013 -
Why not Turkey
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Turkey-istanbul 2012 The beautiful city - YouTube
Why not Egypt
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Why not Morocco
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Nikki-Beach St Tropez Moroccan Party Aug 25 2012 - YouTube
Monk Of Reason
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At least to my ignorant knowledge the only one of those countries that are actually part of an Islamic Run government would be Iran (not sure about that either) and otherwise could be even called secular if you stretched it.