Richard Dawkins hasn't read the Quran yet.

[McBell]

just give you a tips from the past :
I am 33 years old , that mean i am witness about Gulf War , So Iraq after it's retreat from Kuwiet , the USA aircraft strick the retreated Iraqi army !!!

then they bombed Bagdad ,then they siege Iraq for 11 years during it - 1 million Iraqi kids died because of siege when they


orgnise oil exchange with food !!!

then USA invade Iraq because the big lie of nuclear weapon .

I admire that your honest reponses , for me western culture is just make up ,to represent the western armies as heros

inspite of their fatal errors against muslims.

I think western culture influence to Muslim world base on "the immorality", what positive you talking about?


I am sorry about the afghni women that abused by the name of Islam .

as you talk about drone hit afghanis, don't tell me that you considerate domestic abuse women worst

then bombing them by drone ?

it's seems that you mixed between regional tradition and Islam,if their tradition is over islam teaching ,

how Islam could stop their abuse , if their had bad recieved teaching of Islam ?

Abuse woman is globale issue,it's not fair to stuck it to Islam,

btw the west is not perfect place for women.

just tell how much western women bought her body or strip to gain money to live!!

**** THIS **** | Demotivation.us




So the western hasn't stopped this abuse , instead of that it's support the using of their women in immorality!!!

It's seems,that enorms women in the west becomes like slave (trade),they beieng used for money to make "fun" to men.

see , nobody is perfect here .

What does this have to do with Muslim violence on Muslims?

 

[Reverend Rick]

It is interesting how so many people declare they dislike Dawkins because of his "arrogance" yet are just as arrogant when it comes to dictating their own beliefs to others.

I am not saying you fall into said group, merely pointing out that said group exists.

LOL, I remember watching a video where Christians cuss him out like a Sailor.

Dawkins seemed to delight in their disdain.

 

[Simurgh]

I have found it interesting that the people who engage him in debate about religious things always get offended that he, a biologist, has an opinion about religion and condemn him for it—after they goad him to expound on the topic. Then they get self-righteous and proclaim him to be merely opinionated about things he doesn’t know.

So why ask? It was clear from the get go that it’s a set-up meant to discredit him. This works splendidly for those who are already so entrenched in fundamentalism /creationism that nobody can make them rethink their position anyhow. The rest of us who watch the spectacle do it for its comedic value. Nothing is funnier than watching a bunch of bible bangers get patronizing while the conversation clearly goes over their head. The non-sequiturs alone are worth the price of admission.

On the other hand, they never find it incongruous that they (trying to act as if they were experts on biology) assay to refute his expertise when all they can do is refute scientific facts with religious ideology and creationist pseudo-facts. Yeah, dinosaurs walking with Jesus and that handy banana allegory…or was that supposed to be a “fact”?

 

[Godobeyer]

What does this have to do with Muslim violence on Muslims?

sorry , my post was quotes answsers to 9-10ths_Penguin about the Bad effect of western to Muslims in Iraq ....etc

 

[iamsharky789]

He didn't judge the Qur'an (the holy book).

He judged Islam (the religion).


Nope.

What he was doing was judging Westboro Baptist Church without reading the books written by their leader.

It would be like judging Christianity based on what Christians say and do without reading the Bible.


He didn't say he didn't know about the religion, and I suspect he has read some parts of the Qur'an, just not the whole thing.

Let's say he did read the whole Qur'an and then called Islam evil. Would he now be right because he had read it? I don't think he would be right or wrong based on that criteria. Obviously he would understand Islam better by reading the Qur'an, but it wouldn't change what he knows about how the religion is affecting politics, culture, and society.

I have read the quran, dawkins isn't missing out on anything. I feel kind of bad he wasted time reading the bible.

 

[McBell]

sorry , my post was quotes answsers to 9-10ths_Penguin about the Bad effect of western to Muslims in Iraq ....etc

Ah.
Are you going to address the Muslim violence on Muslims?

 

[Ouroboros]

I have read the quran, dawkins isn't missing out on anything. I feel kind of bad he wasted time reading the bible.

Right. I don't think he's missing out either. Especially seeing some of the quotes provided in this thread. There are obviously a whole bunch of very violent and aggressive verses in the Qur'an. And the excuse is that some Muslims are not interpreting the right. So what does that mean in the context of Dawkins? Where does it leave the question if he has to read the Quran to understand that Islam isn't "evil' (in his words)? It sounds like that if he reads the Qur'an, he will be even more convinced that Islam is evil, not the other way around.

 

[Simurgh]

Right. I don't think he's missing out either. Especially seeing some of the quotes provided in this thread. There are obviously a whole bunch of very violent and aggressive verses in the Qur'an. And the excuse is that some Muslims are not interpreting the right. So what does that mean in the context of Dawkins? Where does it leave the question if he has to read the Quran to understand that Islam isn't "evil' (in his words)? It sounds like that if he reads the Qur'an, he will be even more convinced that Islam is evil, not the other way around.

it seems that the bible and the qur'an are evenly matched in regard to violence and brutality. although the xtian god seems to be somewhat more blood thirsty. he smites everyone who ticks him off, and he is really easy to tick off.

 

[idav]

it seems that the bible and the qur'an are evenly matched in regard to violence and brutality. although the xtian god seems to be somewhat more blood thirsty. he smites everyone who ticks him off, and he is really easy to tick off.

The quran is a bit whitewashed compared to the old testament. Like the story of Lot and his daughters defiling him is missing from the bible. They changed things to make the stories more palatable which is dangerous cause for the adam and eve story the quran puts the blame solely on eve. There are other instances I have seen but those are a couple big ones that gives the jist of what the quran did. And it is peaced together so the stories arent really in biblical order, its kinda all over the place. Probably actually a little less violent since they were making sure not to make the prophets look bad but the gender bias and elitism is certainly in there which can and does lead to violence in the name of god or allah.

 

[Simurgh]

The quran is a bit whitewashed compared to the old testament. Like the story of Lot and his daughters defiling him is missing from the bible. They changed things to make the stories more palatable which is dangerous cause for the adam and eve story the quran puts the blame solely on eve. There are other instances I have seen but those are a couple big ones that gives the jist of what the quran did. And it is peaced together so the stories arent really in biblical order, its kinda all over the place. Probably actually a little less violent since they were making sure not to make the prophets look bad but the gender bias and elitism is certainly in there which can and does lead to violence in the name of god or allah.

well, since it took the council of Nicea before xtians could even agree on a common doctrine, never mind about the lengthy process that eventually edited the writings into something called the bible, it seems reasonable to assume it's a more violent text--given its antecedents.

the qur'an was written and edited much later when somewhat more civilized conditions applied. the qu'an is ordered according to the length of the suras, there is no specific chronology other than that. and the bible was edited and put together to look like a historical text in order to enshrine a specific political and socio-cultural agenda.

neither text is anything but a conglomeration of texts that are meant to convey a specific vision of what was and ought to have been. it's speculative history at it's best.

PS: Allah is merely the masculine form of al-Lat, the pre-Islamic goddess of Arabia, who was one of the Meccan triple goddesses worshiped there and whose chief priestly class was the al-Quraish, the family of Muhammad. so allah and god mean the same thing. it's not a name, its a title.

 

[Godobeyer]

Ah.
Are you going to address the Muslim violence on Muslims?

OMG :run:

NO , its was about the effect of western culture on afghnistan ....muslim world, and effect of invades Iraq for exchange OIL with culture

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes, but about the muslim mobs doing murder, as, for example in the cartoons incident? You can't claim that that was just a few extremists, it was mobs of thousands!

Yes , the muslims mods influence by the media like Aljazeera and scholars whom focus on this case day and night , which extra provoke the muslims around the world .

thats why there was huge protesting in almost all the muslims countries , except Libya when extremists murder the ambassador of US .

maybe you ignore that we condemne that .

 

[Godobeyer]

Majority of Iraqis, not people speaking for them and all the Muslim world, were/are glad somebody actually intervened.

Where are the good Muslim nations when the bad ones suffer people under oppression and evil for years? It's easy to blame people from an arm chair.

in this we need to eyes to see whole the tragedy story about recently Iraq history .

Iraq was suffered from the dictatory for years , then it's involved in wars against it's neighbors , when the USA involved to hit it , to protect their allies Saudi , Kuwiet . to protect the source of oil .

ONE STONE TWO BIRDS .

so the Iraq enter to sanction during more than 10 years , which cost 1 million Iraqi kids died , some said it's was half of million .

END WAR: Madeleine Albright Says Deaths Of 500,000 Iraqi


[youtube]R0WDCYcUJ4o[/youtube]
END WAR: Madeleine Albright Says Deaths Of 500,000 Iraqi Children Is Worth It; UN Sanction Genocide - YouTube




so Iraq is victime of sanction more than dictatory of Sadam .

 

[Looncall]

in this we need to eyes to see whole the tragedy story about recently Iraq history .

Iraq was suffered from the dictatory for years , then it's involved in wars against it's neighbors , when the USA involved to hit it , to protect their allies Saudi , Kuwiet . to protect the source of oil .

ONE STONE TWO BIRDS .

so the Iraq enter to sanction during more than 10 years , which cost 1 million Iraqi kids died , some said it's was half of million .

END WAR: Madeleine Albright Says Deaths Of 500,000 Iraqi


[youtube]R0WDCYcUJ4o[/youtube]
END WAR: Madeleine Albright Says Deaths Of 500,000 Iraqi Children Is Worth It; UN Sanction Genocide - YouTube




so Iraq is victime of sanction more than dictatory of Sadam .

The interesting thing to me is that the Iraqis seem unable to govern themselves once left to their own devices. Why is that? Why have they reverted to their typical hobby of killing each other?

The Americans would likely have left much sooner but for the barbarism of the Iraquis.

 

[McBell]

OMG :run:

NO , its was about the effect of western culture on afghnistan ....muslim world, and effect of invades Iraq for exchange OIL with culture

No worries.
I had already figured you would ignore/avoid it like the plague.

 

[Sees]

in this we need to eyes to see whole the tragedy story about recently Iraq history .

Iraq was suffered from the dictatory for years , then it's involved in wars against it's neighbors , when the USA involved to hit it , to protect their allies Saudi , Kuwiet . to protect the source of oil .

ONE STONE TWO BIRDS .

so the Iraq enter to sanction during more than 10 years , which cost 1 million Iraqi kids died , some said it's was half of million .

END WAR: Madeleine Albright Says Deaths Of 500,000 Iraqi


[youtube]R0WDCYcUJ4o[/youtube]
END WAR: Madeleine Albright Says Deaths Of 500,000 Iraqi Children Is Worth It; UN Sanction Genocide - YouTube




so Iraq is victime of sanction more than dictatory of Sadam .

You want to explain how any sanctions killed Iraqi children or adults without any spin to it?

I spent almost two years in Iraq so I'm not likely to agree with anything media from any country or side of the fence. We were there before media says the Shock and Awe sweep and occupation started and it wasn't for WMD or oil....

Can't watch videos or it eats up my data plan

 

[Godobeyer]

The interesting thing to me is that the Iraqis seem unable to govern themselves once left to their own devices. Why is that? Why have they reverted to their typical hobby of killing each other?

The Americans would likely have left much sooner but for the barbarism of the Iraquis.

I see , no one knows why the voilence continous inspite that US retreat !!!

it's maybe their strategy place , almost middle of civilisation of all the world , and had multi-religions and multi-races .

for sure recently the Iraq becomes a target for it's oil .

 

[Godobeyer]

You want to explain how any sanctions killed Iraqi children or adults without any spin to it?

I spent almost two years in Iraq so I'm not likely to agree with anything media from any country or side of the fence. We were there before media says the Shock and Awe sweep and occupation started and it wasn't for WMD or oil....

Can't watch videos or it eats up my data plan

sorry ,i did not understand your point ;
So you want to say that the sanctions/seige to Iraq for 10 years , had no't bad consequences to the civilians ?

 

[Sees]

sorry ,i did not understand your point ;
So you want to say that the sanctions/seige to Iraq for 10 years , had no't bad consequences to the civilians ?

I'm asking how was the West killing anybody there before we started using explosives and bullets over there?

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm asking how was the West killing anybody there before we started using explosives and bullets over there?

yes by seiging Iraq for 10 years