Richard Dawkins lies

[ArtieE]

The thread isn't for discussing the phenomenon and whether if it was known longtime ago since the stone age or on modern days but it is to show how Dawkins lied about the 2 seas that don't mix and twisted it that the quran says that the salt water and freshwater don't mix and then he asked to try to mix 2 glasses of water to see that it mix,but that isn't the case for the 2 seas except if as you said it takes long time for the 2 seas to be mixed, eventually,maybe millions of years like the story of evolution.

What exactly is it you and the Qu'ran are trying to say? Are you trying to say

1. When the two seas meet, not a single molecule of water from one sea can ever come close to a single molecule of water from the other sea because there's a barrier between them?
2. Or are you trying to say that there will never come a time when every single water molecule from one original sea is next to a single water molecule from the other original sea?

 

[FearGod]

What exactly is it you and the Qu'ran are trying to say? Are you trying to say

1. When the two seas meet, not a single molecule of water from one sea can ever come close to a single molecule of water from the other sea because there's a barrier between them?
2. Or are you trying to say that there will never come a time when every single water molecule from one original sea is next to a single water molecule from the other original sea?

 

[Debater Slayer]

According to the interpretations I've read, the verse is saying that the two seas meet and mix with each other without either of them changing the properties of the other's water, which is cited as a sign of God's power and magnificence.

So, at least to my understanding, the verse doesn't say that the two seas' waters never mix.

 

[ArtieE]

If you don't believe any of those options, what exactly is it you believe then?

 

[Falvlun]

According to the interpretations I've read, the verse is saying that the two seas meet and mix with each other without either of them changing the properties of the other's water, which is cited as a sign of God's power and magnificence.

So, at least to my understanding, the verse doesn't say that the two seas' waters never mix.

But not mixing due to some sea barrier is how some people, including the girls in the video (note: from Odion's transcript, I haven't had the chance to watch it), interpreted it, and are basing their "scientific" knowledge upon.

For some reason, FearGod believes that because Dawkins suggested a small scale experiment to show that salt and fresh waters will eventually mix, rather than mention the seas, he should be considered a liar.

 

[ignition]

For some reason, FearGod believes that because Dawkins suggested a small scale experiment to show that salt and fresh waters will eventually mix, rather than mention the seas, he should be considered a liar.

No he doesn't believe that. And FearGod told me himself that he meant exactly as I spelled it out for you.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

So what did Dawkins leave out that makes it a lie?

 

[FearGod]

If you don't believe any of those options, what exactly is it you believe then?

i don't know what that have to do with the thread or what difference it makes,but anyway the verse is very clear and already explained by Dabate slayer.

And he it is who has given freedom of movement to the two great bodies of water – the one sweet and thirst-allaying, and the other salty and bitter – and yet has wrought between them a barrier and a forbidding ban. (25:53)

 

[ArtieE]

i don't know what that have to do with the thread or what difference it makes,but anyway the verse is very clear and already explained by Dabate slayer.

And he it is who has given freedom of movement to the two great bodies of water – the one sweet and thirst-allaying, and the other salty and bitter – and yet has wrought between them a barrier and a forbidding ban. (25:53)

Oh. Debate Slayer said: "the verse is saying that the two seas meet and mix with each other without either of them changing the properties of the other's water." But where they mix with each other the properties of some of the water originally belonging to both seas change. Where's the barrier to prevent this interaction? Whether you have two seas or two glasses of water they are just bodies of water of different sizes and their interaction when placed in contact with each other is the same.

 

[FearGod]

Oh. Debate Slayer said: "the verse is saying that the two seas meet and mix with each other without either of them changing the properties of the other's water." But where they mix with each other the properties of some of the water originally belonging to both seas change. Where's the barrier to prevent this interaction?

That is the question,where is the barrier that prevent both seas to mix altogether.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

That is the question,where is the barrier that prevent both seas to mix altogether.

There isn't. Density isn't a barrier, the salt themselves aren't a barrier. It's just a difference that occurs as a reaction of what happens when you put lighter things on top of heavier things. For instance if I rest a book on a table and it doesn't go through the table should I say that the table is a barrier to the book?

 

[Falvlun]

No he doesn't believe that. And FearGod told me himself that he meant exactly as I spelled it out for you.

You said that because Dawkins didn't mention the seas that makes him a liar. Isn't that what I just said that he believes?

Seriously, guys, I don't think any of this shows lying, but rather, nit-picking on your parts. You are even nit picking the posts.

 

[ArtieE]

That is the question,where is the barrier that prevent both seas to mix altogether.

The Strait of Gibraltar. If you could pick up both the Atlantic and the Mediterranean and drop them in a big hole together after a while they would mix together and make one sea with "one property". That was what Dawkins tried to explain. What keeps the Atlantic from mixing with the Mediterranean altogether is just that they are separated and can only meet each other through the Strait of Gibraltar. You can only see they have different properties near the Straits just because they haven't had time to mix yet.

 

[FearGod]

The Strait of Gibraltar. If you could pick up both the Atlantic and the Mediterranean and drop them in a big hole together after a while they would mix together and make one sea with "one property". That was what Dawkins tried to explain. What keeps the Atlantic from mixing with the Mediterranean altogether is just that they are separated and can only meet each other through the Strait of Gibraltar. You can only see they have different properties near the Straits just because they haven't had time to mix yet.

Aha that what he was trying to say,mix 2 glasses of water and prove the quran is wrong.

Yes,he meant to say get a glass of water from one sea and another glass of water from the other sea and see how they'll be mixed and so by experiment we know that those 2 seas can be mixed.

 

[ArtieE]

Aha that what he was trying to say,mix 2 glasses of water and prove the quran is wrong.

Yes,he meant to say get a glass of water from one sea and another glass of water from the other sea and see how they'll be mixed and so by experiment we know that those 2 seas can be mixed.

Yes. Doesn't matter if you take a glass of water from each sea and mix them or take the whole seas and mix them in one hole. The result is eventually the same.

 

[FearGod]

Yes. Doesn't matter if you take a glass of water from each sea and mix them or take the whole seas and mix them in one hole. The result is eventually the same.

puzzle solved ,You are smart Artie.
Yes mix the whole sea in one hole,it will mix eventually.:clap

 

[danieldemol]

I think the video slide at 2:18 is a little unclear, so with the help of google I dug up the original pictorial, I will post it hear just for comment in case it adds anything to the discussion;

Here is the picture posted by Odion (I think);

The thing is, I don't think they are even reference to the same place, as you can see there is no pack ice in the picture, nor in the other one posted from switzerland.

So do Muslims claim the seas don't meet in Switzerland, or in the straight of gibraltar (which seperates Gibraltar and Spain in Europe from Morocco in Africa), or in some undisclosed third location in the photo above, or in all three? I'm confused.

 

[Galen.Iksnudnard]

Why he intended to lie and fools the audience,for what purpose he is doing so?

Pls watch the video.

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Richard Dawkins Public Lie About Quran, Fresh and Salt Water Exposed - YouTube

What exactly was he lying about? Can you explain it in your own words?

Why does Richard Dawkins even need to lie in the first place?

 

[Breathe]

Here is the picture posted by Orion (I think);

Orion

Orion

Right, that reminds me I need to change my username; nobody gets it right.

 

[danieldemol]

Right, that reminds me I need to change my username; nobody gets it right.

Crud, sorry mate, I'll edit it back for you, it wasn't intentional :foot: :sorry1: