Right move?

[jonathan180iq]

Nope. Flores vs Lynch

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2016/07/06/15-56434.pdf

Thanks

 

[1137]

Um... correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole reason for the outrage that kids were being separated from their parents and held separately?

Yes so that kids can be given to a relative/put into foster. Now they get to go to prison with Mommy and Daddy! Hope you guys are proud

 

[Shad]

Um... correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole reason for the outrage that kids were being separated from their parents and held separately?

That is the one commonly shared by people and shown in the media.

 

[Shad]

Thanks

Also see Flores v Reno.

 

[fantome profane]

Yes so that kids can be given to a relative/put into foster. Now they get to go to prison with Mommy and Daddy! Hope you guys are proud

No, the flores decision has not changed (yet). Trump may want it to change, but that he cannot do by EO. They can still only hold these children for a limited amount of days, but now they will hold them with their parent(s).

 

[1137]

No, the flores decision has not changed (yet). Trump may want it to change, but that he cannot do by EO. They can still only hold these children for a limited amount of days, but now they will hold them with their parent(s).

Ah, sorry guys, you'll get there! You throw those pesky kids in prison!

 

[David1967]

Let's not forget that it is still only an attempt at reparation of a disastrous, very harmful move that he presented shortly before with a lot of bravado and shameful lying, though.

He is a showman, even more than he is a con man. He makes promises with no thought related to a responsibility to fulfill them and deal with the consequences. And there are, unfortunately, lots of people who are just as irresponsible as him and somehow see fit to support him.

It should come as no surprise, and even less as unfairness, that he is taken to task for his bumbling, bravading ways.

I disagree

 

[David1967]

You have to understand why. He created his own mess. He does not deserve a pat on the head for fixing something he broke. This isn't a simple oopsie. This was a deliberate, premeditated attempt to deter others at the expense of children. He deserves nothing.

I disagree

 

[LuisDantas]

I disagree

How so?

 

[David1967]

How so?

I'm pretty much finished with this thread. Political discussion is fun to a point. I've reached that point on this.......For now anyway.

 

[metis]

Why are they appealing this decision, which seems to defend their practice?

Because of the law that says that the kids, as being with their family, can only be detained with their family for 20-some days.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah after most of the country begged and pleaded him to make that decision. Haha I was wondering how this would be spun, "doing what we asked = tyranny" is an interesting spin.

People tend to become invested in seeing others in a particular way.
So if Trump does something positive, it's difficult for his fervent opposition
to recognize this. Hence the positive act serves only to remind of prior
wrongs.
This points out the corrupting influence on one's thinking when one picks
a team, & likes one's own players, while hating the other's. The real danger
is that evil thrives when giving favored leaders a pass. Remember when
"Bush's wars" were vehemently protested, but when it they became Obama's,
the protests disappeared. Needless costly wars became relatively acceptable
to his supporters.

I don't like Trump. I don't hate him. He's just a forkce of nature unleashed.
Like a swollen river...will it leave its banks & destroy...or will it deposit fertile silt?
We shall see.

 

[metis]

Yes so that kids can be given to a relative/put into foster. Now they get to go to prison with Mommy and Daddy! Hope you guys are proud

With the large influx because of their zero-tolerance policy, there has not been enough time to make connections with relatives, and they may not have any relatives there. Also, the number of foster families, which have to be vetted, was not keeping up with the numbers arriving.

BTW, I'm pro-family. How about you?

 

[1137]

With the large influx because of their zero-tolerance policy, there has not been enough time to make connections with relatives, and they may not have any relatives there. Also, the number of foster families, which have to be vetted, was not keeping up with the numbers arriving.

BTW, I'm pro-family. How about you?

Right the system is flawed, that doesn't mean throw kids in prison for their parents crimes! There's no rational way to spin that to "pro-family" lol.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

As I predicted in another thread, the President has signed an order stopping family separation of illegal immigrants. To some ,Trump can do no wrong. To others, he can do no right. This, I think is the right thing to do.

In reversal, Trump signs order stopping family separation

If you think that stopping families from being separated is good, then issuing the zero tolerance order that resulted in families getting separated at the border was bad. You can't say that both are good.

 

[David1967]

If you think that stopping families from being separated is good, then issuing the zero tolerance order that resulted in families getting separated at the border was bad. You can't say that both are good.

And I said I was through with this thread. Oh well. Yes ,separating children from families is bad. At the same time allowing anyone and everyone to just rush over the border, laws be damned, is bad as well. What do I think should be done? (Keeping in mind that these people are here illegally of course.) Detain families together until a decision can be made as to the legitimacy of their request for asylum then either send the family back to their country or let them in. That's where I stand on it.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

And I said I was through with this thread. Oh well. Yes ,separating children from families is bad. At the same time allowing anyone and everyone to just rush over the border, laws be damned, is bad as well.

Stopping illegal immigration doesn't require us to take children away from parents.

What do I think should be done? (Keeping in mind that these people are here illegally of course.) Detain families together until a decision can be made as to the legitimacy of their request for asylum then either send the family back to their country or let them in. That's where I stand on it.

That's pretty much where previous administrations stood on the matter, including GW Bush. It wasn't until the most recent policy change last April that resulted in families being separated at the border. Laws and justice are never perfect, but that doesn't mean we should make it worse, and that is exactly what the Trump administrations zero tolerance policy did, it made it worse.

Imagine if these were jewish refugees fleeing attacks in the Middle East? They come over on boats and request asylum. What if the adults were immediately thrown in jail while their children were taken from them and putting in detention centers? How would people react? Why should they react any differently when it is a different group?

 

[tytlyf]

So Trump reverted back to Obama policy? How is that an achievement?

 

[fantome profane]

So Trump reverted back to Obama policy? How is that an achievement?

No. He absolutely did not revert back the Obama policy.

 

[1137]

The "logic" of this country is just asinine. "Hey the immigration/foster system is broken, let's imprison innocent kids for it, that'll solve it!"