Shad
Veteran Member
I think it is fair to speculate that expedient deportation is going to be the next option used (which is completely legal). Trump backed down on specific application of law not his agenda built around illegal immigration
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I think it is fair to speculate that expedient deportation is going to be the next option used (which is completely legal). Trump backed down on specific application of law not his agenda built around illegal immigration
ecco
Veteran Member
You choose to ignore that he implemented this policy.
You choose to ignore that he blamed Democrats.
You choose to ignore that he said he had to follow the law created by Democrats.
You choose to ignore that he said only Congress could change his policy.
You choose to ignore that he made a big deal out of making an Executive Order when all he had to do is verbally reverse it.
Why? You seem to have empathy for Trump.
ecco
Veteran Member
You choose to ignore...
- Bush invaded Iraq and tried to sell it based on 9/11.
- Obama did not start a war in Iraq.
Now do you understand why one was protested whereas the other was not?
Or we could, you know, not imprison anyone for misdemeanor offences and civil offenses. Just saying.
Sounds more like that's what is going to happen rather than 'imprisoning families,' putting the whole family in the sort of detention facilities where they were separating children to, unless some larger crime warrants actual imprisonment.
You choose to ignore that Obama campaigned on ending the wars.
Upon being elected, he promptly did not do it.
Then after not doing it, he was re-elected.
I blame Bush for starting the wars.
I blame Obama for continuing them.
And of course, those 2 were not alone.
The protestors appear to only oppose Republican waged wars.
Essentially....
"Bush started them, so they must end!"
"Obama continues them, so it's OK with us."
I'm curious why you and your peers think American safety and stability are things not worth protecting? Would people be fleeing here if we just footed everyone's bills to the point of bankrupcy and welcomed in harden criminals across our open borders? Of course not! I just can't figure out why you hate American citizens so much you think we don't deserve to make sure people coming in are safe and can contribute. Then again none of you gave a damn about the citizen children in foster care, you still don't! Only those related to immigration. It's really just all very weird and silly.
You must have one heck of a corn field for all that strawmanning. First of all, troweling it on a bit thick with the 'You just don't care about American safety do you?!' Second of all, who said anything about not having a vetting process? I even said 'detainment' just the same detainment as the kids, rather than prisons. Since, you know, a misdemeanor and civil offense is not a prison-worthy offence. And treating all people who come over the border as 'hardened criminals' is nothing short of racist scapegoating.
And yeah, screw you and your 'you don't care about the children!' BS. That's just as weak a call to emotion as whenever anyone, religious or otherwise, uses it to try and shame other political positions.
Ah yes, I totally said we should treat them all as hardened criminals, you're famiar with straw men I see. Ok friend, go ahead and link all the RF topics on the state of foster care and child services in the U.S, I'll wait
You literally made sweeping statements in reply to my not imprisoning misdemeanor offenses with 'You want to let in hardened criminals!' So yes, you were implying treating them like hardened criminals.Ah yes, I totally said we should treat them all as hardened criminals, you're famiar with straw men I see. Ok friend, go ahead and link all the RF topics on the state of foster care and child services in the U.S, I'll wait
Well golly gee willakers, I just looked through your thread history and you have exactly one thread about children and it's mostly berating liberals and immigrants. I guess you must not really care about children, only about partisan bickering.
Not letting in criminals is why we have migration laws, no way you really dont understand that. And I'm sorry, I didn't know literally working in the field to address these problems is non-involmemt, but hey you couldn't be bothered to even talk about it! Go away hypocrite, enjoy your small "victory" of child imprisonment.
So you admit you're in favor of treating a misdemeanor offence as 'hardened criminals.' K.
Who cares if you work in the field? You haven't posted much on RF about it. Clearly that's the standard you hold others to.
Nobody ever wanted open borders, that is such a straw man I hear too often. Humans deserve due process and shouldn’t ever be assumed criminals. If Trump wants closed borders fine then don’t keep families hostage.
Hey more misrepresenting! That's fine, the opinion of someone who doesn't care about the safety of others and supported the imprisonment of innocent children is literally squat to me.
ecco
Veteran Member
Barack Obama's top 25 campaign promises: How'd he do?
Barack Obama's top 25 campaign promises: How'd he do?
By Linda Qiu on Thursday, January 5th, 2017 at 3:06 p.m. ...this report outlines how Obama has performed on 25 specific pledges.
Other pledges — ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, delivering a massive health care shakeup — will define his presidency for years to come.
PolitiFact has tracked all of Obama’s campaign promises (533, to be exact) over two elections, issuing ratings of Promise Kept, Compromise, Stalled, In the Works or Promise Broken.
The final results of his performance are in.
Here’s the rundown of his 25 biggest promises, going from Promise Kept to Compromise to Promise Broken.
Promises earn this rating when the original promise is mostly or completely fulfilled.
Train and equip the Afghan army
Since the 2001 invasion, the United States has spent about $68 billion training and equipping Afghan forces. On Obama’s watch, U.S forces dramatically decreased from 100,000 in 2011 to about 10,000 U.S. troops today, and most are there to "train, advise and assist" Afghan forces or are engaged in counterterrorism combat. Meanwhile, Afghanistan forces have more than doubled from 140,000 in 2009 to 320,000 in 2016, and operate without American or NATO support in 80 percent of their missions. With Afghan soldiers at the frontlines of the fight against the Taliban, Obama can count this one a Promise Kept.
By Linda Qiu on Thursday, January 5th, 2017 at 3:06 p.m. ...this report outlines how Obama has performed on 25 specific pledges.
Other pledges — ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, delivering a massive health care shakeup — will define his presidency for years to come.
PolitiFact has tracked all of Obama’s campaign promises (533, to be exact) over two elections, issuing ratings of Promise Kept, Compromise, Stalled, In the Works or Promise Broken.
The final results of his performance are in.
Here’s the rundown of his 25 biggest promises, going from Promise Kept to Compromise to Promise Broken.
Promises earn this rating when the original promise is mostly or completely fulfilled.
Train and equip the Afghan army
Since the 2001 invasion, the United States has spent about $68 billion training and equipping Afghan forces. On Obama’s watch, U.S forces dramatically decreased from 100,000 in 2011 to about 10,000 U.S. troops today, and most are there to "train, advise and assist" Afghan forces or are engaged in counterterrorism combat. Meanwhile, Afghanistan forces have more than doubled from 140,000 in 2009 to 320,000 in 2016, and operate without American or NATO support in 80 percent of their missions. With Afghan soldiers at the frontlines of the fight against the Taliban, Obama can count this one a Promise Kept.
Of course, we all know that it was actually Bush who finished what he started...
That's quite a tribute to Obama.Barack Obama's top 25 campaign promises: How'd he do?
I think that's pretty good.Barack Obama's top 25 campaign promises: How'd he do?
By Linda Qiu on Thursday, January 5th, 2017 at 3:06 p.m. ...this report outlines how Obama has performed on 25 specific pledges.
Other pledges — ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, delivering a massive health care shakeup — will define his presidency for years to come.
PolitiFact has tracked all of Obama’s campaign promises (533, to be exact) over two elections, issuing ratings of Promise Kept, Compromise, Stalled, In the Works or Promise Broken.
The final results of his performance are in.
Here’s the rundown of his 25 biggest promises, going from Promise Kept to Compromise to Promise Broken.
Promises earn this rating when the original promise is mostly or completely fulfilled.
Train and equip the Afghan army
Since the 2001 invasion, the United States has spent about $68 billion training and equipping Afghan forces. On Obama’s watch, U.S forces dramatically decreased from 100,000 in 2011 to about 10,000 U.S. troops today, and most are there to "train, advise and assist" Afghan forces or are engaged in counterterrorism combat. Meanwhile, Afghanistan forces have more than doubled from 140,000 in 2009 to 320,000 in 2016, and operate without American or NATO support in 80 percent of their missions. With Afghan soldiers at the frontlines of the fight against the Taliban, Obama can count this one a Promise Kept.
Of course, we all know that it was actually Bush who finished what he started...
Nonetheless, it doesn't refute the voters' tolerance
for wars waged by a president of their own party.
ecco
Veteran Member
Every year 10,000 Americans are shot and killed. How many are shot and killed by illegal immigrants? Do you know?
While Trump was campaigning he made a big deal of the shooing/killing of Kathryn Steinle by an illegal immigrant.
BTW:
San Francisco pier killing suspect found not guilty of murder
But Trump has always been good at signaling out minorities to further his political agenda. Remember the Central Park Five?The bullet that felled Steinle ricocheted off the pier's concrete walkway before it struck her.
Jose Ines Garcia Zarate, 45, was acquitted of murder.
Jose Ines Garcia Zarate, 45, was acquitted of murder.
Central Park jogger case - Wikipedia
They were exonerated after spending years in prison.On May 1, 1989, real estate magnate Donald Trump called for the return of the death penalty when he took out full-page advertisements in all four of the city's major newspapers. Trump said he wanted the "criminals of every age" who were accused of beating and raping a jogger in Central Park 12 days earlier "to be afraid".[82] The advertisement, ... cost an estimated $85,000
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
The sheer, mind-bending level of hypocrisy in this statement is absolutely staggering.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
You can "lol" all you want, which I think is an utter disgrace since we're dealing with the separation of families whereas there's no guarantee some of these parents will ever see their children again.
Bush and Obama were able to handle this difficult situation with at least some moral considerations, although there is room for debate even with them, but you support a president that has none of that, which is why even his daughter and wife came out against these separations.
So, you may think this is funny, but I really think your behavior on this is pathetic, lacking even the most basic signs of empathy towards families being ripped apart by this administration. Some Republicans have even left the party because of this, such as Steven Schmidt earlier this week.
Oh I'm not laughing at the situation, I'm laughing at YOU qurstioning MY integrity because I don't think children should be incarcerated for crimes they didn't commit. Sometime all you can do is laugh, especially to keep from getting banned, because that's so unbelievably disgusting of you that I could easily let the insults flow.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'll just let the above be the last word on this with you, especially since you put words in my mouth that simply were not and are not there.