Rishi Sunak

[Rival]

Brexit, was a colossal error. Those that advocated it, were either wealthy enough to be immune to it's more general effects or too ignorant or misinformed to know what the ramifications would be. I will support any UK party that calls for rejoining the EU. A terrible stupid mindless jingoistic folly, that must be corrected. I mean honestly, who makes it more difficult and costly, to trade with their closest and largest market? A moron, that's who.

Thanks. I supported and support Breixt. We were neither wealthy nor misinformed; we simply have a different opinion to you.

 

[Little Dragon]

Thanks. I supported and support Breixt. We were neither wealthy nor misinformed; we simply have a different opinion to you.

Get back you fiend! (Brandishes crucifix)

No offence bro. Yes it's just a different opinion. Maybe it will all work out lovely?

 

[Little Dragon]

Maybe it will all work out lovely?

Who am I kidding? It's not going to work out lovely. It's a terrible idea! The worst. Sorry. I am done now.

 

[Secret Chief]

Tories get totally stuffed! Bring on the General Election.

- Labour overturns huge majorities to inflict two by-election defeats on Tories

 

[RestlessSoul]

Tories get totally stuffed! Bring on the General Election.

- Labour overturns huge majorities to inflict two by-election defeats on Tories

Those results have certainly put a smile on my face

 

[Little Dragon]

Tories get totally stuffed! Bring on the General Election.

- Labour overturns huge majorities to inflict two by-election defeats on Tories

The Liberal Democrats and Labour, and their unofficial non aggression pact is working.
There hasn't been a swing like this in by elections, since the war.
The Tories are absolutely clueless, Sunak has to be the dumbest and most idiotic Tory leader, ever. No doubt he will interpret these diabolic results (for tories) as the public telling him to carry on as he is. Making error after error.

I can see my house party happening, I've promised a house party, if the tories end up with fewer than 100 seats after the election.

Conservative party wipeout, potentially, pinch me, I am dreaming.

 

[Little Dragon]

Those results have certainly put a smile on my face

It is very good news, for every man woman and child in the UK. The Conservatives are absolute dog poo. Hopeless awful and out of options.

 

[Rival]

Conservative party wipeout, potentially, pinch me, I am dreaming.

But what do you believe Labour can or more likely will do to deal with the fallout? I'm no capital c Conservative and strongly dislike Neo-Liberalism Thatcherism/Reaganism, but I'm no Socialist either, so I'm very concerned about taxes going up even further and no to little economic improvement, from my perspective. It's concerning.

 

[LuisDantas]

The way I see it (again, from quite some distance), the Conservatives have given up on the next election and do not expect any leadership from Rishi Sunak.

Or rather, they do not want it. The recent convention made it very clear that they have little time to their own nominal leader of even to his appointed Ministers. They hope to create or consolidate distinct, better characterized power bases that do not necessarily involve the current or even the next government cabinet (which they might as well have already conceded to Labour).

In a nutshell, they have given up on actually governing and are in it now instead to grasp as much prestige, influence and money as they can from the directionless, inneffectual, deeply divided Conservative Party. And, of course, there are at least some that cling to the hope that the party will somehow swerve in significant numbers to their prefered perspective while also remaining a main political force in UK politics. The parallels with the current drama of choice of USA House Speaker could not be more illustrative.

I have to assume that both the Lib Dems and so-called "Reform UK" are waiting on the wings for a significant influx of new members in the months just before the next election - which, I hear, is at most fifteen months ahead. These latest by-election results may well be the trigger for some defections as soon as it becomes clear which factions are most likely to be heard for the time being, or at the lasted practical time for MP looking for reelection to switch parties for that election.

Worst case scenario, Nigel Farage decides again that he needs a bigger plataform while the Conservative Party decides that it can't be bothered to salvage even its superficial appearances of respectability anymore. And for some arcane reason people lend him their ears once again.

Best case scenario, Rishi Sunak decides (quite correctly) that there is no point to this pantomime, calls for General Elections ASAP, gets enough support to materialize them. Labour trounces the Tories. Lots of defections to Lib Dems and "Reform UK", even UKIP and the DUP. It takes a while for the extreme right wing and the so-called Euroskeptics to decide on somewhat stable configurations for their power bases again. Labour has at long last its turn to struct its stuff and fix some of the damage of the last seven years or more.

Either way, there will indeed be higher taxes (hopefully for those who can afford it best) and a long, protacted, painful road ahead for social and economic improvement. There is no other way, not with the current ideological composition of the UK.

The practical concerns now are when that will be pursued, at what political and financial price, by whom exactly, and with which degree of public support. It is entirely possible that we still have several more very destructive flip-flops ahead in the next few years, particularly while the Brexit mentality insists on refusing to die its very well deserved death.

 

[Secret Chief]

Sunak has to be the dumbest and most idiotic Tory leader, ever.

Hey that's unfair on Truss, the biggest dumb**** ever!

 

[Rival]

Either way, there will indeed be higher taxes (hopefully for those who can afford it best) and a long, protacted, painful road ahead for social and economic improvement. There is no other way, not with the current ideological composition of the UK.

We've already seen the largest tax hike since WWII. Anymore is unthinkable. Nobody can afford that in the lower and middle classes. Raising income tax further seems incomprehensible and dangerous.

 

[LuisDantas]

We've already seen the largest tax hike since WWII. Anymore is unthinkable. Nobody can afford that in the lower and middle classes. Raising income tax further seems incomprehensible and dangerous.

It is indeed dangerous. I assume that disgust with the cost of living has been a huge part of the Brexit movement - and probably still is?

Comparable trends have happened many times before and will happen many times more, including closer to home, here in Brazil and in Argentina.

 

[Rival]

It is indeed dangerous. I assume that disgust with the cost of living has been a huge part of the Brexit movement - and probably still is?

Comparable trends have happened many times before and will happen many times more, including closer to home, here in Brazil and in Argentina.

Yes, it is. Although tbh everyone here is disgusted with the state of prices, wages etc. Some blame it on Brexit, some on covid, lockdowns etc. some on various issues from the Conservatives, Ukraine etc. As far as I can tell it's a mix of all these things, but many places have gone intro administration due to lockdowns and so we have many unemployed, lack of spending etc. and it's all just spiralling. A watchdog has demanded large supermarkets stop profiteering on food price rises that have no basis in reality. It's a huge mess, and just saying 'Tories out yay!' won't fix this. Not even close. A local council near me has gone bankrupt and can no longer afford Xmas lights in the town. It's not the only one.

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes, it is. Although tbh everyone here is disgusted with the state of prices, wages etc. here. Some blame it on Brexit, some on covid, lockdowns etc. some on various issues from the Conservatives, Ukraine etc. As far as I can tell it's a mix of all these things, but many places have gone intro administration due to lockdowns and so we have many unemployed, lack of spending etc. and it's all just spiralling. A watchdog has demanded large supermarkets stop profiteering on food price rises that have no basis in reality. It's a huge mess, and just saying 'Tories out yay!' won't fix this. Not even close. A local council near me has gone bankrupt and can no longer afford xmas lights in the town. It's not the only one.

In all honesty, I have little doubt that the root, decisive cause for that state of things is way too loopsided wealth distribution.

As a consequence, a turn towards socialism is pretty much necessary far as I can see. Booting the Tories won't fix things... but it may easily be a prerequisite.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Yes, it is. Although tbh everyone here is disgusted with the state of prices, wages etc. here. Some blame it on Brexit, some on covid, lockdowns etc. some on various issues from the Conservatives, Ukraine etc. As far as I can tell it's a mix of all these things, but many places have gone intro administration due to lockdowns and so we have many unemployed, lack of spending etc. and it's all just spiralling. A watchdog has demanded large supermarkets stop profiteering on food price rises that have no basis in reality. It's a huge mess, and just saying 'Tories out yay!' won't fix this. Not even close. A local council near me has gone bankrupt and can no longer afford xmas lights in the town. It's not the only one.

You’re right, there are no simple fixes to the problems the next government faces. But one thing is certain; the Tories can’t possibly fix what they’ve created. The last 13 years has been a series of unmitigated disasters, and it’s all happened on their watch. They’re finished, and I personally don’t mind celebrating that fact. Right now, we just need them to go, into the dustbin of history where they belong; after that, the real work starts.

 

[Rival]

You’re right, there are no simple fixes to the problems the next government faces. But one thing is certain; the Tories can’t possibly fix what they’ve created. The last 13 years has been a series of unmitigated disasters, and it’s all happened on their watch. They’re finished, and I personally don’t mind celebrating that fact. Right now, we just need them to go, into the dustbin of history where they belong; after that, the real work starts.

I agree. Just, as a non-Labour voter I tend to be suspicious of them, too.

It's hard being a One Nation Conservative/Disraelite when most modern cons are Neo-Lib/Thatcherites; I have not time for that either.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I agree. Just, as a non-Labour voter I tend to be suspicious of them, too.

It's hard being a ONC when most modern cons are Neo-Lib/Thatcherites; I have not time for that either.

In the U.K., elections are generally won in the centre ground, but careers are often carved out on the margins. When marginal figures like Liz Truss, Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn end up in positions of influence or even power, things get “interesting”.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We've already seen the largest tax hike since WWII. Anymore is unthinkable. Nobody can afford that in the lower and middle classes. Raising income tax further seems incomprehensible and dangerous.

Too bad they don't aim them at the top, like that Virgin wanker wanting to privitize the NHS.

 

[Rival]

Too bad they don't aim them at the top, like that Virgin wanker wanting to privitize the NHS.

I believe the NHS in its current state is unsustainable and would support a French or German style healthcare model. But it seems in Britain there are 2 models available, either totally nationalised or totally privatised, neither of which have worked as well as those Continental systems.

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[Little Dragon]

It's a huge mess, and just saying 'Tories out yay!' won't fix this. Not even close.

It's a step in the right direction. I am no Labour fanboy, I don't like Keir Starmer at all. Shifty bugger he is. A liar I would go as far to say.
The tories however, they are the ones fanning the flames.