stvdv
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Latest Putin news (54sec):
Putin will nuke Ukraine (annihilate) if the West gives mass destruction weapons to Ukraine
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Russia vs Ukraine gets closer to nuclear?
Putin will nuke Ukraine (annihilate) if the West gives mass destruction weapons to Ukraine
Totally different situation and stories.
But I am not okey with any war.
I just put the blame on right guilty one.
Provoking always lead to explosion.
I will call him for you.
I called him, seems number is always busy.
I don't think Europe or West consider Russia as trusted neighbor, they following USA agenda. That what make situation tension.
Provoking Russia lead to that they think
Advanced defence maybe, important.
Trump maybe will establish peace with russia ukraine. But can't with Israel and Palestine. Because AIPAC don't want.
Ukraine is most important to russia and Europe and. World economic.
Should not be involved in politic with their. Neighborhoods
Should be neutral. And be bridge between West and Russia. Gain Benefits on that.
Terrible Idea - The Azov Nazi's would massacre and persecute the Ethnic Russians in the separatist regions which is the reason Russia initiated the special operation of denazification.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
That is Russia's propaganda. In other words, a lie.
Not so Koldo -- as this fact is not from me .. but from US Congress .. which is not a propaganda Arm of Putin .. at least not all of congress - the Blue side would have us believe that folks who disagree with "woke" policy are Russian Assets .. Tulsi Gabbard .. Trump .. and that would be the Lie - "Propaganda" .. and not the US Congress .. who made legislation sanctioning the Azov Neo Nazi Militia .. as a terrorist group .
Looks like you have been exposed to some Propaganda Koldo .. but it was not from me .. Were you unaware that there was a civil war going on in Ukraine since 2014 ? -- the Minsk agreement - part of which was to prevent on-going "State Sponsored" persecution of the Ethnic Russians.
Let us not demonize the messenger because the message conflicts with State Sponsored doublespeak from the cocaine comedian from Kyiv .. parroted relentlessly in Western Media. ... Because it is the Fog of War .. and thats what actors on both sides do in war. Not only did US congress have concerns over the Azov Terrorist Militias .. The Canadian Gov't was also concerned by the activities of this group
Canadian officials who met with Ukrainian unit linked to neo-Nazis feared exposure by news media: documents
A year before the meeting, Canada’s Joint Task Force Ukraine produced a briefing on the Azov Battalion, acknowledging its links to Nazi ideology.
Canadian officials who met with Ukrainian unit linked to neo-Nazis feared exposure by news media: documents
A year before the meeting, a Joint Task Force Ukraine briefing on the Azov Battalion acknowledged its links to Nazi ideology.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
It was not quite a civil war. Russia was massively involved from the start. But more importantly, where is the evidence that there was state sponsored persecution of ethnic russians and that the Minsk agreement was intended to prevent it?
Let us not demonize the messenger because the message conflicts with State Sponsored doublespeak from the cocaine comedian from Kyiv .. parroted relentlessly in Western Media. ... Because it is the Fog of War .. and thats what actors on both sides do in war. Not only did US congress have concerns over the Azov Terrorist Militias .. The Canadian Gov't was also concerned by the activities of this group
Canadian officials who met with Ukrainian unit linked to neo-Nazis feared exposure by news media: documents
A year before the meeting, Canada’s Joint Task Force Ukraine produced a briefing on the Azov Battalion, acknowledging its links to Nazi ideology.
Canadian officials who met with Ukrainian unit linked to neo-Nazis feared exposure by news media: documents
A year before the meeting, a Joint Task Force Ukraine briefing on the Azov Battalion acknowledged its links to Nazi ideology.ottawacitizen.com
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How does that justify invading Ukraine?
we are far away from the use of nukes .. IMO .. Putin can bring US-NATO to heel - on knees begging for the pain to stop without escalation directly to nukes. there are many escalatory moves that will end this thing .. without using nukes. .. If Putin gets too upset with the long range missiles he could take out the satellites used for targeting. .. 24 hours later the US escalation would be over ..
Putin has responded with far less escalation than that so far .. he is punishing Ukraine .. with that crazy new wunderwaffe .. but also asymetric actions in the middle east .. . We are way down th escalatory ladder .. .. Use your imagination and get Disney with it "get giggy with it" Heh
these are the days of war like never before .. Technology has spread .. even a Small nation state can do big damage to a major power. Imagine 5 container ships . 5 locations just off shore .. full of drones and missiles .. attacking the undefended coast of the USA --- New York .. Washington .. Miami .. LA .. Houston. Tens of thousands of strikes for each ship .. hitting the target city targets all around for a few hundred miles or more.
War from an armchair watching a video feed is all fun and games while going on in a far away land .. conducted by proxy. The game not so much fun when its bombs dropping in your back yard. .. US - the EU .. the British .. going to turn tail and yip like a disiplined puppy straight away. Highly unlikely this would escalate that far ... no possibility of nukes at the moment.
The place we need to most worry about nukes is the Middle East ..
Who told you that the Azov Nazi's justified the invasion of Ukraine ? .. and who said Russia was not involved in the civil war. The idea that the war between the Ethnic Russian Ukrainians .. and Ukraine .. was not a civil war .. is preposterous nonsense ... more of that propaganda doublespeek on which you have been feeding. I suppose Gaza is not a Holocaust in your books either .. but that does not change the fact that Bibi makes the brown shirts running the Warsaw Ghetto look kind by comparison .. as the Irish delegation to the UN said "The Hague is too good for Bibi"
That you have to ask if the Azov Militia's were "State Sponsored" is laughable lack of understanding of the subject .. and try reading the article you were given. .. and how nice to move the goalpost from "Azov Nazi's do not exist" .. to ridiculous denial of the obvious connection and support by the Gov't.
You are far out of your depth .. have no knowledge of the situation .. beyond hearing some CNN propaganda sound bite from time to time .. consumption of the massive amount of propaganda parroted from "Pravda.Kyiv" .. which is fine .. but let us not pretend otherwise. .. crying out "Propaganda - Lies" over information that conflicts with the propaganda narrative you have ingested.. Your initial reflex response was ridiculous but also programmed .. learned behavior . Why would you have such a reaction ?? I call it the "Fake News" reaction .. folks had some very good training during covid.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
If the Azov Nazi doesn't justify the invasion of Ukraine, why are you talking about it?
I didn't say that. Russia was obviously involved but it was not quite a civil war, exactly because Russia was massively involved.
A civil war involves internal fighting within a country. There has been russian military personnel involved from the start, so it is not proper to call it a civil war.
What is going on in Gaza is an holocaust.
Strawman on top of strawman.
I have never claimed that the Azov Brigade doesn't exist, nor that it is state sponsored, nor that it has nazi elements.
Now, where is the evidence that Ukraine sponsored persecution of ethnic russians and that the Minsk agreement was intended to prevent it?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
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BrightShadow
Active Member
Are you talking about the 7th of October?
Did their conflict start that day?
Even if it did start from that day - how do you justify one day's barbaric attack with months and months of systematic extermination of the entire population including women and children? Over 41,000 killed and counting. All hospitals, schools, universities and the entire infrastructure destroyed.
Wasn't the so-called 'enemy' was trying to get their land back? Their method may be wrong - but do they have a claim?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Don't ask me; I don't support Israel in this conflict. I'm merely pointing out double standards.Are you talking about the 7th of October?
Did their conflict start that day?
Even if it did start from that day - how do you justify one day's barbaric attack with months and months of systematic extermination of the entire population including women and children? Over 41,000 killed and counting. All hospitals, schools, universities and the entire infrastructure destroyed.
Wasn't the so-called 'enemy' was trying to get their land back? Their method may be wrong - but do they have a claim?
What justifies this?: War crimes in the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia
If only you had God's number. At least putin exists, eh?
Why blame an "American agenda"? What did America do that forced putin to invade and occupy Crimea? And then invade and occupy areas of east Ukraine? It's Russia that has sabotaged any good will. Then were building good will when they hosted the winter Olympics in 2014. And then started hosting Formula 1 races until 2021 when F1 pulled out. Russia lost out on tourism because they can't be trusted.
Russia could be doing a lot of trade with the rest of the world if putin had not decided to want war. The only solution to what Russia is doing is putin dying, one way or another. We would hope his replacement is smart and cooperative.
Yeah, the insecure and weak are easily provoked. Look at easily Trump gets provoked. They act out because they are weak and want to appear strong.
If Trump gets involved at all it will be because he gets something out of it. Otherwise he doesn't care.
putin should resign and surrender to the International Court, and Russia's new leadership should withdraw from Ukraine and pay reparations. They should stop being an adversary to the West and work towards economic partnerships.
There are many "shoulds" but we can't trust insecure egos like Netanyahu's, putin's, or Trump's. With Trump only more problems will come about.
A world now leaded by regimes wants wars more than peace, the international court/justice it's just for weak people" third world ".
Mean If Putin go to jail because Ukraine, so Netanyaho and Biden too?
America involved with neighborhood of Russia, look at the result!!!
I believe USA would do same if Mexico become an allie to Russia. Look at Cuba.
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It's not same situation to compare.
It's actually inverse.
Israel which provoking Palestinians.
By besieged Gaza, make it open air prison.
Israel it's racist apartheid regime.
True, just add Biden and Trump on this list it's would be more fair
.Non sequitur fallacy ... A does not follow from B One can OK with the liberation of the of Ethnic Russians persecution by the Azov Nazi terrorists . but against the Gaza Holocaust quite easily
You are having trouble understanding what a civil war looks like .. claiming it involves "internal fighting" .. which is exactly what was going on in Ukraine .. but want to say there is no civil war in Ukraine.
You then ask why bring up the Azov Nazi persecution . and eventually civil war .. against the Ethnic Russian Separatists .. two different groups in Ukraine going to war with each other.
The reason the Azov Nazi's were brought up is because they are a party to the civil war you think does not exist .. and a group of people who you first denied the existence of .. and now in denial of "Evidence" provided you from the Canadian Gov't state sponsorship .. but showing solid ignorance of the subject matter ... and/or disingenuous oblivion ..
What did you think the Minisk agreement was for .. if not to stop/ prevent further civil war .. Dorp ! and yes you did claim the Azov Nazi's didn't exist .. laughable how you moved the goalpost to "Azov Brigade" .. Pathetic debate tactics brother Koldo .. really poor showing. ?!
Not really .. as Irish Delegation to the UN said "The Hague is too Good for Bibi" - Genocide Joe not far behind. Putin is a gentle giant by coparison ... has done nothing remotely comparable to Bibi & Biden .. Terrorist Nation #1 and #2. .... Russia way down on the list.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Exactly..
"A magnet has two poles, a north pole and a south pole. When two magnets are placed with their like poles facing each other, the magnetic lines of force are in opposite directions, causing the magnets to repel."
US and Russia are BOTH causing conflict in the world .. it is just a case of who is the worst culprit.
..and unfortunately, ( I say unfortunately, as I live in the UK ), that looks like
the West at the moment.
As we all know, the US "calls the shots" .. Europe relies on NATO.
What this means, is that while we have maintained a balance of power between left and right
ideologies over the last few decades, there is now the emergence of fascist behavior from the US.
I highly doubt whether any US President would have supported the last year of Israeli atrocities
a few decades ago.
What will be, will be .. our world view is determined by our environment .. we don't
live in isolation.