"Russia Will Be a Muslim Country"

[Gharib]

You kidding? Clearly Odin, Hoenir, and Lodur created us from the mighty ash and elm trees! Can't you witness the powers of the Aesir, Vanir, and Landvaettir everyday? I sure do!

so which god is in charge of who?

they must want to run the world according to their way, so how can 2 people be driving one car at the same time? (note: the car doesn't have dual controls)

It's the thought that counts, though the frubals are nice too

can i get some frubals?

 

[Zephyr]

so which god is in charge of who?

they must want to run the world according to their way, so how can 2 people be driving one car at the same time? (note: the car doesn't have dual controls)

My gods are not tyrants. They don't demand petty worship and control like Allah does. Nobody is "driving the car" but fate.

can i get some frubals?

Post something truly substantial and watch them flow in.

 

[challupa]

but you said......:slap:

I know, because you are Islam, you will quote the Quran. However, those who are not Islam may not believe it anyway

source for what?

Your beliefs? The quran, is likely the source of your beliefs and why you say what you say here?

have said that many times, but i never expect people to accept it, once a dog gets used to eating shpagheti, they won't change to pasta lol

So you believe others could be right too? I haven't heard you say that, but now I have, right?

 

[Gharib]

So you believe others could be right too? I haven't heard you say that, but now I have, right?

right about what?

you haven't heard me say it but you have. i don't get this, i think you have miss stated this last part, but i get what you are saying.

 

[Gharib]

My gods are not tyrants.

whats a "turant", and i never called them that.

They don't demand petty worship and control like Allah does.

well i do it because i choose to, why don't you do it? because you don't choose to. no one is forcing you.

Nobody is "driving the car" but fate.

so whats the role of your gods then?

Post something truly substantial and watch them flow in.

i love you zephyr

 

[darkendless]

whats a "turant", and i never called them that.

well i do it because i choose to, why don't you do it? because you don't choose to. no one is forcing you.

so whats the role of your gods then?

i love you zephyr

A tyrant is someone who uses force to obtain their will. Adolf Hitler was a tyrant, Joseph Stalin was a tyrant, Saladin was a tyrant. Allah can be considered a tyrant because people must submit to him, they must pray to him and devote themselves to "his will."
Norse God's do not demand such things. They do not require such dedication for freedom exists within. From the perspective of Norse Mythology, Islam is very controlling. But then again, what do you expect from a book written by men in order to control others?
Norse mythology is hard to explain, i think Zephyr may do a better job than myself but here goes; Norse Gods are like protectors, they do not require us to do anything but acknowledge their ways. Our time on earth may be compared with some of the various stories (the most popular being Ragnarok).

As a side note: its a terrible shame we know so little about Norse Mythology. All we do know was written by Christians, the rest lost as to my knowledge it was transferred orally.

 

[Gharib]

A tyrant is someone who uses force to obtain their will. Adolf Hitler was a tyrant, Joseph Stalin was a tyrant, Saladin was a tyrant. Allah can be considered a tyrant because people must submit to him, they must pray to him and devote themselves to "his will."

but Allah has never foced anyone, has he forced you? you have a choice, just like you do in everything else. but those chioces may not be the right ones. comparing the lenght of this world (my life time to the hear after) it is 1000 years on earth to 1 day in the hear after, it is mentioned in some parts of the quran, there are also other things there too. what i'm saying is would you be a slave to someone for 3 days and everything they say, then afterwards to be rewarded with 1 trilion dolars?

would you or would you not?

Norse God's do not demand such things. They do not require such dedication for freedom exists within. From the perspective of Norse Mythology, Islam is very controlling. But then again, what do you expect from a book written by men in order to control others?

yes it was written by men, but revealed from god.

Norse mythology is hard to explain, i think Zephyr may do a better job than myself but here goes; Norse Gods are like protectors, they do not require us to do anything but acknowledge their ways. Our time on earth may be compared with some of the various stories (the most popular being Ragnarok).

so then they too are tyrants, they want you to acknowledge their way, do as they tell you, tell me if i've missinterpreted.

As a side note: its a terrible shame we know so little about Norse Mythology. All we do know was written by Christians, the rest lost as to my knowledge it was transferred orally.

the worm "mythology" stands out very much to me, these gods are myths right, according to their name "norse mythology"

 

[darkendless]

but Allah has never foced anyone, has he forced you? you have a choice, just like you do in everything else. but those chioces may not be the right ones. comparing the lenght of this world (my life time to the hear after) it is 1000 years on earth to 1 day in the hear after, it is mentioned in some parts of the quran, there are also other things there too. what i'm saying is would you be a slave to someone for 3 days and everything they say, then afterwards to be rewarded with 1 trilion dolars?

would you or would you not?

See the problem with this debate is i do not accept the rewards you speak of. Allah does not force anyone to believe in him. But if you don't believe in him, and sumbit to him, you are not a muslim.

yes it was written by men, but revealed from god.

Same response as above, you cannot prove that to me and i do not believe you. Its your belief vs. mine, no one can win.

so then they too are tyrants, they want you to acknowledge their way, do as they tell you, tell me if i've missinterpreted.

Theres a difference between ackowleding existance and submission. Norse Gods require nothing of us, just that we know that they are watching over us. Allah requires prayer and submission. Sorry that was the point was trying to make before. Do you get what i was trying to say before? Also, Norse God's do not tell us to do anything.

the worm "mythology" stands out very much to me, these gods are myths right, according to their name "norse mythology"

Yes, thats right. However, Norse mythology holds the same weight as Islam and Christianity, but i think it is called a myth, because it is older than both of these religions combined and we do not know where it came from.

 

[Gharib]

See the problem with this debate is i do not accept the rewards you speak of. Allah does not force anyone to believe in him. But if you don't believe in him, and sumbit to him, you are not a muslim.

yes you are right about this.

Same response as above, you cannot prove that to me and i do not believe you. Its your belief vs. mine, no one can win.

true, you have your views i have mine, i can't force you and you can't force me.

Theres a difference between ackowleding existance and submission. Norse Gods require nothing of us, just that we know that they are watching over us.

but thats pointless. humans create robots (not that we are god, but just an example) and if i created a robot i would create it for a reason, to serve me, otherwise i would destroy it and make another one that would obey me, you are saying those gods created us but they do not want anything in return. whats the catch?

Allah requires prayer and submission.

every creator wants his creation to obey him, i work in a brick factory and we use robots to do all the work, so why would someone create them robots if they had no intention in making it to be obedient?

Sorry that was the point was trying to make before. Do you get what i was trying to say before? Also, Norse God's do not tell us to do anything.

i didn't get it before, but i understand what you meant now.

Yes, thats right. However, Norse mythology holds the same weight as Islam and Christianity, but i think it is called a myth, because it is older than both of these religions combined and we do not know where it came from.

if it was older than the 2, then it would be called a veteran, not a myth. i have never heard of anyone who is much older than me to be called a myth, but instead a veteran.

 

[Panda]

if it was older than the 2, then it would be called a veteran, not a myth. i have never heard of anyone who is much older than me to be called a myth, but instead a veteran.

In terms of religions that have "died out" we tend to use the word Mythology to describe them. I'm not an expert on the English language so I couldn't tell you why we do that.

 

[challupa]

right about what?

you haven't heard me say it but you have. i don't get this, i think you have miss stated this last part, but i get what you are saying.

I was referring to you saying that others could be right about their own beliefs. I haven't heard you say that before until that post. Now I have heard you say that others could be right. Sorry for the confused wording.

 

[Zephyr]

Norse mythology is hard to explain, i think Zephyr may do a better job than myself but here goes; Norse Gods are like protectors, they do not require us to do anything but acknowledge their ways. Our time on earth may be compared with some of the various stories (the most popular being Ragnarok).

That's actually pretty accurate. Not all the gods are necessarily "protectors" but many are. For instance, Thor has practically made smacking giants away some sort of awesome sport.

As a side note: its a terrible shame we know so little about Norse Mythology. All we do know was written by Christians, the rest lost as to my knowledge it was transferred orally.

Yeah, it's kind of a bummer, but Snorri was a good man who cared for his people's history, so Christian or not I am really thankful that he saved what he did, even if you have to look through some reinterpretations here and there.

but Allah has never foced anyone, has he forced you? you have a choice, just like you do in everything else. but those chioces may not be the right ones. comparing the lenght of this world (my life time to the hear after) it is 1000 years on earth to 1 day in the hear after, it is mentioned in some parts of the quran, there are also other things there too. what i'm saying is would you be a slave to someone for 3 days and everything they say, then afterwards to be rewarded with 1 trilion dolars?

would you or would you not?

When your choice is to worship or suffer an eternity of torture, that is force.

so then they too are tyrants, they want you to acknowledge their way, do as they tell you, tell me if i've missinterpreted.

The gods will not punish you if you don't believe in them or don't acknowledge them. They are not tyrants because they require NOTHING. Any acknowledgment or sacrifice is purely to benefit. They will protect even atheists just the same.

the worm "mythology" stands out very much to me, these gods are myths right, according to their name "norse mythology"

It's only called mythology because people believe they are myths. To me, Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are all "mythology".

but thats pointless. humans create robots (not that we are god, but just an example) and if i created a robot i would create it for a reason, to serve me, otherwise i would destroy it and make another one that would obey me, you are saying those gods created us but they do not want anything in return. whats the catch?

We are not robots or slaves. We are their children. When Odin, Hoenir, and Lodur created us from the ash and elm, they did it so that they would have mortal children to watch over. Would you have a son or a daughter for any purpose other than to enslave them? If you would, then maybe you'd understand why the Aesir created us.

every creator wants his creation to obey him, i work in a brick factory and we use robots to do all the work, so why would someone create them robots if they had no intention in making it to be obedient?

Because like any good parent they offer guidance and help, but don't demand slavery. A good parent will teach their children to know right from wrong, not demand worship and torture them if they disobey. Round these parts we call that child abuse. The robot analogy is faulty.

if it was older than the 2, then it would be called a veteran, not a myth. i have never heard of anyone who is much older than me to be called a myth, but instead a veteran.

They are called myths by people who wish to discredit them. I don't consider them myths at all, any more than you'd consider the events in the Quran to by mythology.

 

[Gharib]

In terms of religions that have "died out" we tend to use the word Mythology to describe them. I'm not an expert on the English language so I couldn't tell you why we do that.

thats a pretty good explanation/deffinition, i understand now, thanks for that.

 

[Gharib]

I was referring to you saying that others could be right about their own beliefs. I haven't heard you say that before until that post. Now I have heard you say that others could be right. Sorry for the confused wording.

well they could, i'm not saying they can't but it depends on what sort of things they actually believe.

 

[Gharib]

When your choice is to worship or suffer an eternity of torture, that is force.

if that is true, then why aren't you a muslim?

you do know that you either worship or go to hell, but that doesn't seem to bother you much, so i take it you are not forced, nor am i, right?

The gods will not punish you if you don't believe in them or don't acknowledge them. They are not tyrants because they require NOTHING. Any acknowledgment or sacrifice is purely to benefit. They will protect even atheists just the same.

atheists don't believe in any god, they are not acknowledging your gods, so how does this take place,

It's only called mythology because people believe they are myths. To me, Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are all "mythology".

no problem. your choice. i am not a christian but do not believe the religion is a myth, but instead it is a bit off, thats why god sent the quran. thats my view, just as you had yours

We are not robots or slaves. We are their children. When Odin, Hoenir, and Lodur created us from the ash and elm, they did it so that they would have mortal children to watch over. Would you have a son or a daughter for any purpose other than to enslave them? If you would, then maybe you'd understand why the Aesir created us.

if i had a child i would have it because god has said to create a family, we populate, but as long as that child is my child they will have to obey me in many cases, every child obeys their parents, but you are saying that is not true. have you never obeyed your parents?

Because like any good parent they offer guidance and help, but don't demand slavery

every parent demands slavery, not to a very big extent but small one, every child is tolled to do work around the house, to help with other things etc, so how is that not obediance?

. A good parent will teach their children to know right from wrong, not demand worship and torture them if they disobey.

were you never grounded as a child by your parents when you dissobeyed them?

Round these parts we call that child abuse. The robot analogy is faulty.

then i hope the child analogy makes sense.

They are called myths by people who wish to discredit them. I don't consider them myths at all, any more than you'd consider the events in the Quran to by mythology

everyone has their own vies, jut as you and i did about christianity, we both have different views on one religion but it doesn't necessaraly mean you or i are the only right people, there might be other views, such as that of a christian.

 

[challupa]

well they could, i'm not saying they can't but it depends on what sort of things they actually believe.

That's true I guess. I left it pretty open to interpretation didn't I.

 

[Gharib]

That's true I guess. I left it pretty open to interpretation didn't I.

you sure did.

 

[Zephyr]

if that is true, then why aren't you a muslim?

you do know that you either worship or go to hell, but that doesn't seem to bother you much, so i take it you are not forced, nor am i, right?

I'm not a Muslim because I don't believe a creator would be so cruel to condemn people to an eternity in hell. I don't believe in the choice Allah would force on you.

atheists don't believe in any god, they are not acknowledging your gods, so how does this take place,

They are the Aesir's children too, whether they believe it or not. Just because you don't believe in something it doesn't mean it isn't there for you.

no problem. your choice. i am not a christian but do not believe the religion is a myth, but instead it is a bit off, thats why god sent the quran. thats my view, just as you had yours

Sensible enough. That's why I'm not too big a fan of the term "mythology". It's just way too subjective. What may be mythology to me isn't to you, and vice versa.

if i had a child i would have it because god has said to create a family, we populate, but as long as that child is my child they will have to obey me in many cases, every child obeys their parents, but you are saying that is not true. have you never obeyed your parents?

I obeyed my parents, but never blindly. They had the good sense to show me why the actions they demanded were for good. I was raised to be a good free man, not a slave.

every parent demands slavery, not to a very big extent but small one, every child is tolled to do work around the house, to help with other things etc, so how is that not obediance?

Yet once you become an adult you're off into the world free. It's not slavery, it's just parenting.

were you never grounded as a child by your parents when you dissobeyed them?

Fortunately not. I had the good sense not to overstep my boundaries. That's not to say I didn't get in trouble every now and then, but never anything severe enough to warrant a grounding.

then i hope the child analogy makes sense.

Well yeah, but we still find ourselves with some key differences here. It's pretty obvious that we were raised very differently.

everyone has their own vies, jut as you and i did about christianity, we both have different views on one religion but it doesn't necessaraly mean you or i are the only right people, there might be other views, such as that of a christian.

Hence, if somebody calls anything mythology we should take it with a grain of salt. The atheist would consider both our religions mythology, while I'm sure there's folks out there who would consider neither.

 

[Gharib]

I'm not a Muslim because I don't believe a creator would be so cruel to condemn people to an eternity in hell. I don't believe in the choice Allah would force on you.

They are the Aesir's children too, whether they believe it or not. Just because you don't believe in something it doesn't mean it isn't there for you.

Sensible enough. That's why I'm not too big a fan of the term "mythology". It's just way too subjective. What may be mythology to me isn't to you, and vice versa.

I obeyed my parents, but never blindly. They had the good sense to show me why the actions they demanded were for good. I was raised to be a good free man, not a slave.

Yet once you become an adult you're off into the world free. It's not slavery, it's just parenting.

Fortunately not. I had the good sense not to overstep my boundaries. That's not to say I didn't get in trouble every now and then, but never anything severe enough to warrant a grounding.

Well yeah, but we still find ourselves with some key differences here. It's pretty obvious that we were raised very differently.


Hence, if somebody calls anything mythology we should take it with a grain of salt. The atheist would consider both our religions mythology, while I'm sure there's folks out there who would consider neither.

nope pretty much the same, i asked those questions because thats what mostly hapens to children.

 

[Zephyr]

nope pretty much the same, i asked those questions because thats what mostly hapens to children.

Yeah, and it's really a shame. Some parents, like Allah, really suck at raising children right.