Same Sex Marrige By a Church.

[Autodidact]

As I understand it the King James version was the mos direct translation.

Your understanding is incorrect.

I could buy a Latin Bible but it will not be there. So as I said show me. I doubt you can find any translation in any language that interpreted or not supports homosexual marriage in the church.

Are you suffering under the misapprehension that any part of the Bible was written in Latin? The languages you need to be concerned with are Ancient Hebrew, Koine Greek and Aramaic.

 

[Autodidact]

Can you show me a verse of scripture that permits playing marbles? Shoveling snow? Eating rabbit stew? Arguing on internet message boards?

 

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The Bible explicitly condems Homosexuality Old and New testament I defer to the new testament:

[FONT=Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica]Romans 1:18-28
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. [/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica]Romans 2:1
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. [/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica]I Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. [/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica]I Corinthians 6:19-20
19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body. [/FONT]

There is no prohibition against same-sex marriage in any of those passages. Got anything else?

 

[Autodidact]

Not my assessment from the texts.

Oh, I didn't realize you were a noted Biblical scholar. Please list some of your published work on the subject. Thanks.

 

[Autodidact]

Not my assessment from the texts.

Too much is lost in deciding what one wants to believe I prefer to just follow what the book says.

Keep kosher, do you?

 

[Autodidact]

I have read every post yet nothing but conjecture and telling me I need to understand this or that. Not happening guys. If you can not present anything to back up your points then their is nothing.

O.K. Do you or do you not have a Biblical passage that prohibits same-sex marriage? Cuz I prefer to just go by what the book says. If you cannot present anything to back up your points then their [sic] is nothing.

 

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I have read every post yet nothing but conjecture and telling me I need to understand this or that. Not happening guys. If you can not present anything to back up your points then their is nothing.

[FONT=Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica]27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

I added nothing penguin. BTW don't pick a verse take the whole passage as I did.
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It doesn't tell us what are indecent acts, it's not a prohibition, and it doesn't say anything about same-sex marriage. It's just your personal, hateful, anti-Christian interpretation.

btw, what does Jesus say on the subject?

 

[Autodidact]

Exactly what it says. It says nothing condoning homosexuality!

Same-sex love. It's a form of love. Which is central to Jesus message, don't you agree? Jesus asks us to love one another. He doesn't say men love women and women love men, he just says love.

But if you prefer to focus on Paul's weird obsession with Greek cultural practices, that's up to you. Just don't call it Christianity. Christianity is about love.

 

[Autodidact]

Exactly what it says. It says nothing condoning homosexuality!

From the same author homosexuality is condemned. I showed that.

No, you didn't. Paul condemns some sexual practices, we're not sure what. Jesus is silent on the subject. And if it were important, don't you think Jesus would have mentioned it?

Can you find me any scripture that permits divorce and remarriage?

 

[Autodidact]

So this was chopped liver I guess?
[FONT=Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica]Romans 1:18-28
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

It doesn't prohibit same-sex marriage.

It's also unclear as to what exactly they were doing that made Paul so upset.

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Leviticus 18:22 is translated: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."[/FONT]

Oh give me a break. I strongly doubt that you or your church follows the purity codes in Leviticus, am I right? So why just this one? Why not all the abominations: eating seafood, pork and rabbits, wearing clothing of mixed fibers, combining crops in a field--all of these are equally abominations. Why do you want to save only one and get rid of the rest?

Oh, btw, where does it prohibit same-sex love between two women?

 

[Autodidact]

So this was chopped liver I guess?
[FONT=Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica]Romans 1:18-28
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica]Leviticus 18:22 is translated: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."[/FONT]

According to the Bible-yes there is various passages not allowing homosexuality...Genesis,Leviticus,Romans,Corinthians,etc etc....

So there is none allowing....that is why there is such an uproar here lately with various churches allowing gay ordination of pastors-homosexual marriage etc..
Any faith allowing for such is in total disregard of scripture-and should probably be avoided....

Isn't it nice of the Head Christian to show up and share the correct interpretation with us?

I gather you're not a big fan of love either?

 

[Autodidact]

Christ came to fulfill the law remember.....

What does that mean? Do you follow the purity codes in Leviticus or don't you?

 

[Autodidact]

Christ came to fulfill the law remember.....

It does not. It does however show the mindset of those Paul was addressing. I should have said that.

I did not want to go old testament because it tells you to kill homosexuals and that is wrong under the new covenant.

Yet you did. Did someone force you?

But if you can find precedent for this in the old testament go ahead.

For what?

 

[Autodidact]

My views on the old testament: It was written for the Christian and to the Jew, the new testament was written to the Christian.

The likes and dislikes of God are the same but the law could not save so Christ was sacrificed for our sins and now we live under grace.

So do you keep kosher then?

 

[Autodidact]

My views on the old testament: It was written for the Christian and to the Jew, the new testament was written to the Christian.

The likes and dislikes of God are the same but the law could not save so Christ was sacrificed for our sins and now we live under grace.

And your point? where does it directly condone Homosexuality? it does not.

Where does it directly condone calling yourself "Archer?" It does not.

But, since you asked, I'll cite:

Ruth 1
16 But Ruth replied, "Don't urge me to leave you or to turn back from you. Where you go I will go, and where you stay I will stay. Your people will be my people and your God my God. 17 Where you die I will die, and there I will be buried. May the LORD deal with me, be it ever so severely, if anything but death separates you and me."

1 Samuel:
1 After David had finished talking with Saul, Jonathan became one in spirit with David, and he loved him as himself. 2 From that day Saul kept David with him and did not let him return to his father's house. 3 And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. 4 Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow and his belt.

2 Samuel 1:
26 I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother;
you were very dear to me.
Your love for me was wonderful,
more wonderful than that of women.

 

[Autodidact]

How do you interpret what is in black any white? there is only one way to read it.

Have you sold all your possessions and given them to the poor?

 

[Autodidact]

How do you interpret what is in black any white? there is only one way to read it.

OK one more post.
If you take into account all of the scripture in the Bible that directly teaches against homosexuality (even imposed the death penalty for it), you can then disregard all your conjecture about gay marriage ever being condoned anywhere in the Bible.

1. It is highly debatable whether there is a single passage that prohibits male homoesexuality, and without a doubt there is not a single passage that prohibits lesbianism. Fact.

That my friends is the interpretation you can not deny. All of it in black and white.

So is Jesus' commandment to sell all you possess and give the money to the poor.

So is the prohibition against eating shellfish.

Heck, so is Jesus' directive to hate your family. Do you hate your family?

 

[Autodidact]

That is OT do you have a point? I will not waste time with an answer to your ignorance.

Do you mean Old Testament or off topic?

 

[Autodidact]

That is OT do you have a point? I will not waste time with an answer to your ignorance.

Paul was given the right by Christ. You are practicing avoidance again. Do you have a point? Scripture or nothing, as a matter of fact I will answer nothing but a legitimate scripture reference as it pertains to the point of this thread from this point forward Your childish babbling was humorous at first but now I begin to tire of it.

Later.

Still waiting for the verse prohibiting same-sex marriage. I will answer nothing by a legitimate scripture reference as it pertains to the point of this thread from this point forward Your childish babbling was humorous at first but now I begin to tire of it.

 

[Autodidact]

or condoned or even where homosexuality is condoned. In context please not a one liner.

And that verse prohibiting lesbianism? Got that yet? In context please not a one liner.