Saving Yourself for Marriage?

[lewisnotmiller]

So my logic is deficient because I find virgins more physically attractive (as do many others).

Nope. Your logic is deficient because you assume if I lined up ten women you could spot the virgin.
Dare I ask your opinion on the physical attractiveness or lack thereof of a man after losing his virginity?

Oh The irony.

Wait...I need to buckle up for this. *clicks safety belt in place*
Okay, I'm good now. Craic on.

Now if you don't think calling my logic deficient because of my personal observations and taste is hostility, you may want to reevaluate yourself.

I could care less that you prefer virgins. Your assertion that virgins are more physically attractive than non-virgins is ridiculous. My hostility levels are low, heart beat normal, pupils aren't dilated. Thought I had a white knuckle, but turns out it was some cream cheese from lunch.
As for re-evalutation of myself, it's always good advice, and something I do constantly.
However, for the sake of community-mindedness, I had a good look in the mirror. I'm okay with my previously established position.

And while you're at it, look up what 'logic" and "reasoning" means because you obviously have a deficiency in employing those terms in a coherent way.

Really? That's how you want to argue this? That I'm deficient in logic and reasoning? Okay...your choice.
Explain then how it is logical for someone's appearance to change after losing their virginity. What is the scientific or medical change in the body which this causes?

Is this change brought on by anal sex? Masturbation? Tearing the hymen whilst horse-riding?

Is it only losing one's virginity that causes it? How exactly do you define virginity?

Sorry, but if we're going to have to start applying rules of logic to this argument, you're going to have to expand your argument to the point where there is some vague logical basis.
Once you do, I'm pretty sure you'll find me pretty reasonable, and willing to admit when someone has a good point. So by all means, show me some logic and coherent reasoning.

Seriously, something about the discussion about virgins brings out some nastiness in people for some STRANGE reason. What could that reason be...?

Wait...wait...the seat belt might not be enough for this one. I'm gonna go ahead and whack a crash helmet on too.
Okay...shoot...

Maybe you're just jealous virgins actually talk to me and let me massage them or something?

*scratches his head*
Sorry. I take it all back, and apologize for my nastiness. I thought I was talking to an adult.

I'm a happily married 38 year old man with 2 daughters. You think I'd be jealous that virgins actually talk to you, and let you massage them?

I take it all back. This isn't amongst the top ten most ridiculous comments I've heard since I've been here. It's top 5. I'd love to claim it was top 1, but that would be hyperbole.

By the way...still not hostile. And I've even wiped the cream cheese off now, so I can see that my knuckles are perfectly not-white.

 

[Titanic]

Nope. Your logic is deficient because you assume if I lined up ten women you could spot the virgin.
Dare I ask your opinion on the physical attractiveness or lack thereof of a man after losing his virginity?



Wait...I need to buckle up for this. *clicks safety belt in place*
Okay, I'm good now. Craic on.



I could care less that you prefer virgins. Your assertion that virgins are more physically attractive than non-virgins is ridiculous. My hostility levels are low, heart beat normal, pupils aren't dilated. Thought I had a white knuckle, but turns out it was some cream cheese from lunch.
As for re-evalutation of myself, it's always good advice, and something I do constantly.
However, for the sake of community-mindedness, I had a good look in the mirror. I'm okay with my previously established position.



Really? That's how you want to argue this? That I'm deficient in logic and reasoning? Okay...your choice.
Explain then how it is logical for someone's appearance to change after losing their virginity. What is the scientific or medical change in the body which this causes?

Is this change brought on by anal sex? Masturbation? Tearing the hymen whilst horse-riding?

Is it only losing one's virginity that causes it? How exactly do you define virginity?

Sorry, but if we're going to have to start applying rules of logic to this argument, you're going to have to expand your argument to the point where there is some vague logical basis.
Once you do, I'm pretty sure you'll find me pretty reasonable, and willing to admit when someone has a good point. So by all means, show me some logic and coherent reasoning.



Wait...wait...the seat belt might not be enough for this one. I'm gonna go ahead and whack a crash helmet on too.
Okay...shoot...



*scratches his head*
Sorry. I take it all back, and apologize for my nastiness. I thought I was talking to an adult.

I'm a happily married 38 year old man with 2 daughters. You think I'd be jealous that virgins actually talk to you, and let you massage them?

I take it all back. This isn't amongst the top ten most ridiculous comments I've heard since I've been here. It's top 5. I'd love to claim it was top 1, but that would be hyperbole.

By the way...still not hostile. And I've even wiped the cream cheese off now, so I can see that my knuckles are perfectly not-white.

What is the top 1?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

What is the top 1?

I have trouble putting some of your posts in order...


Kidding, of course. Let's just say that I've seen some ridiculous posts in threads I've lurked in, rather than posted. It would seem pretty small-minded to call those posts/posters out weeks later when I didn't do so at the time.

 

[Titanic]

I have trouble putting some of your posts in order...


Kidding, of course. Let's just say that I've seen some ridiculous posts in threads I've lurked in, rather than posted. It would seem pretty small-minded to call those posts/posters out weeks later when I didn't do so at the time.

Yes I guess your right.

 

[Falvlun]

Personally, I think I'm more physically attractive as a non-virgin than as a virgin. I was a pretty gawky teenager. Though, of course, having or not having sex wasn't the catalyst.

And I still don't wear makeup. But that has more to do with ineptitude and lack of interest than anything I did with my lady bits.

 

[Sunstone]

LOL - Women visually deteriorating after sex? What is this? :biglaugh:

A virtual deluge of horse manure might be a polite way of describing what it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W0TCVwnHLDE

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Fresh out of the box. That's hilarious.

I guess if we're going to objectify potential partners, i prefer foods that have depth, subtle overtones and undertones, vivid color, and has been messed with a little bit. It isn't as if fresh foods are undesirable at all (they can be because they're food, period). But a grape IMO isn't at it's peak potential unless it's been altered into all the different potentials a grape offers.

Only grapes? Idealizing the simple grape as the one and only for good taste? Somebody hasn't tried a good Cabarnet paired with a chopped salad.

But again, that's if we are going in the direction of overtly objectifying sexual partners.

 

[Draka]

You know, I sit and think back about what I was like when I was a virgin. How I looked, what I knew, yeah...if anything I blossomed AFTER losing my virginity. I wasn't at my best until I hit a certain age and that age I was certainly not a virgin. If you were to take pictures of me side by side, virgin and non-virgin, for comparison, I guarantee you the better looking and more attractive one would be the non-virgin one. And it had nothing to with whether or not my hymen was intact. It just has to do with growing up...growing into oneself.

You don't "deteriorate" upon having sex. That's just nuts.

 

[Caladan]

You don't "deteriorate" upon having sex. That's just nuts.

How can you deteriorate after a healthy physical activity that both your body and mind need?
It's like saying that people deteriorate after pilates or yoga class. :areyoucra

 

[DallasApple]

Also what about if you wait until marriage ? How sad that you will see your wife as "less attractive" after taking her virginity on the honey moon like in an instant..Now does she get even less attractive each time you boink her? Or is it only a one time reduction ?

Its funny my husband told me one time after many years together the reverse.Except it wasn't related to my "virginity" at all. Simply that as I aged from a girl into a woman he thought I was even more beautiful and sexy .Wonder how that could have happened?

 

[RJ50]

I think it is daft to save sex until you have tied the knot with your partner. You should find out as much as you can about your future spouse before marriage. So discovering if your sexual needs are compatible is sensible, in my opinion.

 

[DallasApple]

I think it is daft to save sex until you have tied the knot with your partner. You should find out as much as you can about your future spouse before marriage. So discovering if your sexual needs are compatible is sensible, in my opinion.

The only problem with that is your sexual /needs/desires can change over time.I'm just saying there is no guarantee.

 

[dust1n]

I do believe sex with each new person causes women to become less attractive (without makeup that is). Many women I know have agreed. This includes other forms of intercourse as well. But I'm not discussing that in depth here.

Wait. First of all, what is your basis for that belief? And what is the underlying mechanism that supposedly supports this. Is someone who has sex 100 times with one person as opposed to one who has 5 with 50 people, is the latter less attractive? Why would that be?

And if that includes other forms of intercourse, and you said earlier that bases are still an option, when I asked about the usefulness of attracting virgins, then why bother with virginity at all, or all forms of sexual stimulation are slowly making one uglier?

 

[dust1n]

In humans, sexual activity has been reported to produce health benefits as varied as improved sense of smell,[118] stress and blood pressure reduction,[119][120] increased immunity,[121] and decreased risk of prostate cancer.[122][123][124] Sexual intimacy, as well as orgasms, increases levels of the hormone oxytocin, also known as "the love hormone", which helps people bond and build trust.[125][126][127] Sexual activity is also known as one of many mood repair strategies, which means it can be used to help dissipate feelings of sadness or depression.[128] A long-term study of 3,500 people between 30 and 101 by clinical neuropsychologist David Weeks, head of old age psychology at the Royal Edinburgh Hospital in Scotland, found that "sex helps you look between four and seven years younger", according to impartial ratings of the subjects' photographs. Exclusive causation, however, is unclear, and the benefits may be indirectly related to sex and directly related to significant reductions in stress, greater contentment, and better sleep that sex promotes.[129][130][131]

Sexual intercourse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[DallasApple]

I'll do some research before I state this as a fact.But I remember reading up and there is a correlation to the benefits of sex and it being with someone you have a meaningful relationship with .(other than sexual) .

Not that you may not get
any" of the benefits just on a higher level in a serious and longer term relationship than just one stranger after the other.

 

[Falvlun]

I'll do some research before I state this as a fact.But I remember reading up and there is a correlation to the benefits of sex and it being with someone you have a meaningful relationship with .(other than sexual) .

Not that you may not get
any" of the benefits just on a higher level in a serious and longer term relationship than just one stranger after the other.

I'd agree with that.

(Though, of course, a meaningful relationship need not be a marital one.)

 

[Draka]

In humans, sexual activity has been reported to produce health benefits as varied as improved sense of smell,[118] stress and blood pressure reduction,[119][120] increased immunity,[121] and decreased risk of prostate cancer.[122][123][124] Sexual intimacy, as well as orgasms, increases levels of the hormone oxytocin, also known as "the love hormone", which helps people bond and build trust.[125][126][127] Sexual activity is also known as one of many mood repair strategies, which means it can be used to help dissipate feelings of sadness or depression.[128] A long-term study of 3,500 people between 30 and 101 by clinical neuropsychologist David Weeks, head of old age psychology at the Royal Edinburgh Hospital in Scotland, found that "sex helps you look between four and seven years younger", according to impartial ratings of the subjects' photographs. Exclusive causation, however, is unclear, and the benefits may be indirectly related to sex and directly related to significant reductions in stress, greater contentment, and better sleep that sex promotes.[129][130][131]

Sexual intercourse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

:bow:

 

[Shermana]

In humans, sexual activity has been reported to produce health benefits as varied as improved sense of smell,[118] stress and blood pressure reduction,[119][120] increased immunity,[121] and decreased risk of prostate cancer.[122][123][124] Sexual intimacy, as well as orgasms, increases levels of the hormone oxytocin, also known as "the love hormone", which helps people bond and build trust.[125][126][127] Sexual activity is also known as one of many mood repair strategies, which means it can be used to help dissipate feelings of sadness or depression.[128] A long-term study of 3,500 people between 30 and 101 by clinical neuropsychologist David Weeks, head of old age psychology at the Royal Edinburgh Hospital in Scotland, found that "sex helps you look between four and seven years younger", according to impartial ratings of the subjects' photographs. Exclusive causation, however, is unclear, and the benefits may be indirectly related to sex and directly related to significant reductions in stress, greater contentment, and better sleep that sex promotes.[129][130][131]

Sexual intercourse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quite a sloppy study, or at least reporting of the results. It would be helpful if they indicated whether if it was with a single partner or ten or 1000, don't you think?

I once met a woman at a Chabad Jewish function who was very attractive, then I find out she's the Rabbi's wife and has 7 kids. Presumably she'd be only with him considering the culture.

Meanwhile some of the ugliest women I've ever met, without makeup on, have been porn stars.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Quite a sloppy study, or at least reporting of the results. It would be helpful if they indicated whether if it was with a single partner or ten or 1000, don't you think?

I once met a woman at a Chabad Jewish function who was very attractive, then I find out she's the Rabbi's wife and has 7 kids. Presumably she'd be only with him considering the culture.

Meanwhile some of the ugliest women I've ever met, without makeup on, have been porn stars.

Being promiscuous isn't what makes porn stars ugly. It's the drugs, sleepless nights, and the fact they weren't great looking without makeup in the first place.

 

[Me Myself]

Quite a sloppy study, or at least reporting of the results. It would be helpful if they indicated whether if it was with a single partner or ten or 1000, don't you think?

I once met a woman at a Chabad Jewish function who was very attractive, then I find out she's the Rabbi's wife and has 7 kids. Presumably she'd be only with him considering the culture.

Meanwhile some of the ugliest women I've ever met, without makeup on, have been porn stars.

So that is your source? And you are comparing it to the study dust1n put forth and saying dust1n's study is lacking?

Seriously, what is your source?

What is it that makes women uglier when having sex? What counts aas sex for the uglification? Does it happen to men too? Does masturbation make them ugly too? Is it with how many partners they ve had sex or how many times? Or both?