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Scientific Evidence That Islam is the true religion
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maro
muslimah
**as I have said before the sending down of iron refers mainly to the original creation of Earth
and before the creation of any living organism
( this is the opinion of Dr. zoghloul elnagar, a worldiwide famous geologist)
**in my opinion, the verse of (the expanding universe)
was not interpreted by muslims as a ( clear scientific dicovery)
I think they explained it differently
untill the true meaning was completely revealed
when the cosmological fact was dicovered
** someone says that the scientific facts in the quran may be becoz it was not completely in the life of muhammed
and I will not answer that by asserting that the Quran was completeley sent in the life of the prophet ( although it is absloutly true )
but I will tell him that some facts of the quran were only discoverd lately
for example , the detailed description of the embryologic stages is a very late
and before the creation of any living organism
( this is the opinion of Dr. zoghloul elnagar, a worldiwide famous geologist)
**in my opinion, the verse of (the expanding universe)
was not interpreted by muslims as a ( clear scientific dicovery)
I think they explained it differently
untill the true meaning was completely revealed
when the cosmological fact was dicovered
** someone says that the scientific facts in the quran may be becoz it was not completely in the life of muhammed
and I will not answer that by asserting that the Quran was completeley sent in the life of the prophet ( although it is absloutly true )
but I will tell him that some facts of the quran were only discoverd lately
for example , the detailed description of the embryologic stages is a very late
choirboy said:
The three Qurans I have in my house right now have the arabic text right next to the enhlish text. I have two of the same translations but one with commentary, and one different translation. Regardless of the two different English translations I have, the arabic text in both of them are exactly the same... not only is the arabic text the exact same in both books... but I will bet my house and family that the arabic text in my Quran is the same as every other Quran in the world. The first Quran ever compiled (which Muhammed was alive for) is on display in Turkey... and that Quran is identicle to the arabic text in my Quran... guranteed. You know why I can gurantee such a thing? Because people memorize the arabic form of the Quran... my dad memorizes it along with my brother... If my dad is praying with a bunch of group of muslims behind him, and while leading the prayer my dad makes ONE error, one error in pronounciation the people behind my dad will correct him immediately... this my friend is proof of the book not changing. Muhammed recited the Quran, he knew every verse, it was in his heart... he recited it and the people wrote it. The book isn't being changed choirboy, you've got it all wrong.
Go to a mosque on Friday and ask the people at the end of the prayer "Who here memorizes the Quran?" Many people will raise their hands... and even if everyone doesn't memorize it, many people will know the majority of the book (in arabic). If you go to a church on sunday, you wont see more than five people raise their hand to that question and the ones who do raise their hands are priests... too bad one priest will memorize a different version than the other. The arabic text of the Quran hasn't and wont be changed. It can't be done, because muslims all over the world will know.
The fact that my father who is far from educated can memorize that book and recite it with such grace and beauty, shows me the miracles of the Quran, and also brings strength to my belief of Muhammed reciting it and teaching it to the people. God made it easy on the tongue, and will keep it in our hearts, this was a promise God made to us... and I've seen that promise fulfilled through my brother, father and even myself.. I can't speak a spit of arabic but the verses I learn I can recite with ease, fluently and beautifully.
Can you explain how the book can possibly be changed when muslims around the world recite the verses everyday, five times a day? The arabic text can't be changed, nothing can be added to it or taken from it... impossible. The same way I recite the surah called "An-Nas" is the exact same way a muslim in China would recite it.
Hopefully you can understand why we muslims claim that the Quran is untouched, and cannot be changed... you can burn every Quran in the world, and it wouldn't stop us from being able to pray five times a day and recite the book, because it's memorized by millions. Word for word, even the way it's pronounced is to a tee and if done wrong would be corrected by someone praying with you.
Hope you learned something
Peace and Blessings
JerryL
Well-Known Member
You don't think that reinterpreting what something means is functionally changing it?
There's a word in the new testement that refers in Roman times to people who show their interest in sex too publicly. It was translated into English as "effeminate". Later, the English word "effeminate" got attached to homosexuality and most modern translations of the NT say "homosexuals", even though that was clearly not the intent of a writer in Rome such as Paul.
We still have some pretty old manuscripts, and the words in them have not changed, but we have changed the meaning.
No one read the Quran to say that the universe was expanding. Then we discovered the universe was expanding and suddenly that was what the verse ment. The words have not been changed, but their use has.
For something to demonstrate knowledge, it must be establishable priori. You've reinterpreted cherry-picked poetic text to make it match the facts as you know them. That's rationalizing.
There's a word in the new testement that refers in Roman times to people who show their interest in sex too publicly. It was translated into English as "effeminate". Later, the English word "effeminate" got attached to homosexuality and most modern translations of the NT say "homosexuals", even though that was clearly not the intent of a writer in Rome such as Paul.
We still have some pretty old manuscripts, and the words in them have not changed, but we have changed the meaning.
No one read the Quran to say that the universe was expanding. Then we discovered the universe was expanding and suddenly that was what the verse ment. The words have not been changed, but their use has.
For something to demonstrate knowledge, it must be establishable priori. You've reinterpreted cherry-picked poetic text to make it match the facts as you know them. That's rationalizing.
Actually bender there is on the human embryo. here it is: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm
and here are many other scientifi stuff.
http://islamyesterday.com/science/
and here are many other scientifi stuff.
http://islamyesterday.com/science/
The Expansion of the Universe
The expansion of the universe is the most imposing discovery of modern science. Today it is a firmly established concept and the only debate centres around the way this is taking place.
"The heaven, We have built it with power. Verily, We are expanding it." (51:47) (Holly Quran) ‘We are expanding it’ is the translation of the plural present particle musi’una of the verb ausa’a meaning "to make wider, more spacious, to extend, to expand." Some translators were unable to grasp the meaning and provided mistaken translations. Others sense the meaning, but were afraid to commit themselves eg. Hamidullah talks of the widening of the heavens and space, but he includes a question mark. Zidan & Zidan, and The Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs refer to the expansion of the universe in totally unambiguous terms. [1,2]
The expansion of the universe is the most imposing discovery of modern science. Today it is a firmly established concept and the only debate centres around the way this is taking place.
"The heaven, We have built it with power. Verily, We are expanding it." (51:47) (Holly Quran) ‘We are expanding it’ is the translation of the plural present particle musi’una of the verb ausa’a meaning "to make wider, more spacious, to extend, to expand." Some translators were unable to grasp the meaning and provided mistaken translations. Others sense the meaning, but were afraid to commit themselves eg. Hamidullah talks of the widening of the heavens and space, but he includes a question mark. Zidan & Zidan, and The Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs refer to the expansion of the universe in totally unambiguous terms. [1,2]
Mujahid Mohammed
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This is before Islam came. in the beginning yes. But after the message spread and the muslim nation grew. Then the changes in their understanding of the world which then brought the idea of the math and science i was referring to. In the time of the Messenger the era before Islam was called the Jahiliya. or the age of ignorance. peaceuumckk16 said:Er...just to say...in the previous post you said this:
Mujahid Mohammed
Well-Known Member
True but Allah said it would be easy for us to remember and I know 6 and 7 year old kids who have it memorized. How many of the other faiths have the book memorized VERBATIM. 114 chapters. over 6000 ayat. come one. Not even the pope has the whole bible memorized.Tiberius said:
Ryan2065
Well-Known Member
Er, do you have any evidence for that claim? Both that no one in the world has the bible memorized and that 6 and 7 year old kids have it memorized? I have seen some people know the bible front to back (say you ask them to recite a passage and they can)Mujahid Mohammed said:
jewscout
Religious Zionist
Mujahid Mohammed said:
how many muslims actually have the Quran memorized? i some how doubt a majority do...
in defense...it is not necessary for the Torah to be memorized as we are instructed to study it's words...no promise from Hashem that it would be easily memorized tho i have met many a fine Yeshiva student get up and lain w/o having to prepare for that shabbat's torah service.
Ryan2065
Well-Known Member
I have a question about these passages... Is the same word used to describe the creation of earth as the creation of the universe? In these english versions it looks like you should believe the earth is expanding as well as the universe if you translate it like that... The way each sentence is made is the same... Fist past tense, then present tense.
indecisive cookies!!!
Member
Tiberius said:
you have just sent one post, and you've already falsified half of these posts:tuna:
hats off to you, hats off to you :clap you have the privilege of looking at my signature:woohoo:
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
Mujahid Mohammed said:
Again, people memorising a book is not evidence that the book is true, even if that book contains a promise that people will be able to memorise it.
People have memorised the Bible. You claim that not even the pope has. Even if this unsubstantiated claim is true, does that mean that no one else can memorise it? Many fundamentalist christians, I am sure, have memorised the Bible.
People have also memorised the digits of Pi. i think the record is about 30,000 digits of Pi. Does this tell us that the math gods are true?
And if the harry potter books have the line, "Your story is so remarkable, harry, that it wouldn't surprise me if one day everyone knew your story off by heart", would that mean that the Harry potter series is true if people memorise it?
And in any case, if you are too accept Islam as true because people have memorised the holy text of that faith, then should you accept that any religion is true if people have memorised that religion's holy text?
maro
muslimah
Ryan2065 said:
I don't know what evidence u want
but actually my five years brother recites a very big portion of the quran, Already
and in islamic countries , it's very common to have competitions ( with symbolic prizes) for the recitation of the Quaran for both kids and adults
u can go to any mosque in ur country ( if u have one ) and ask about that
maro
muslimah
Ryan2065 said:
it's really hard to try to explain arabic to someone who doesn't know arabic
but I will try , as Allah helps me
verse 47 contains the noun ( mosee3oon)
verse 48 contains the noun ( farshnaha)
mosee3oon , means to make some thing bigger than it is
and we don't use it for any other meaning , in our daily life
Farashnaha , means to spread something
and to make the picture closer
I will tell u how we may use it in our daily life
we may use it for the (blanket of the bed) for example
hope this helps