Scientific Evidence That Islam is the true religion

[doppelganger]

Again, people memorising a book is not evidence that the book is true, even if that book contains a promise that people will be able to memorise it.

Many have Hamlet memorized.

But then again, Hamlet is definitely "the Truth."

 

[maro]

And in any case, if you are too accept Islam as true because people have memorised the holy text of that faith, then should you accept that any religion is true if people have memorised that religion's holy text?

we are not trying to prove islam true because people r memorizing the book
we r trying to prove that by scientific evidence

and we came to the memorizing point to prove that it can never be changed

because people every where memorize the book , and recite it daily in prayers
and it is the same quran every where in the world

unchanged , and can never be

from the time Muhammed was sent , to the day of judgement

 

[bender118]

Actually bender there is on the human embryo. here it is: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm

and here are many other scientifi stuff.
http://islamyesterday.com/science/

What i see is, We made man form clay, being interpreted into embryo some how. How clay even remoletly looks like an embryo remains to be seen by me Or a leech for that matter. I want to see in plain english. We start as embryos, not God made us from clay. I can look in shakespeare or my fat unabridged copy of moby dick and declare that the book shows scientific truths.
All hail teh mighty Moby Dick. I will start a religion around it. Either dickians or mobish are the names o

 

[bender118]

Actually bender there is on the human embryo. here it is: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm

and here are many other scientifi stuff.
http://islamyesterday.com/science/

What i see is, We made man form clay, being interpreted into embryo some how. How clay even remoletly looks like an embryo remains to be seen by me Or a leech for that matter. I want to see in plain english. We start as embryos, not God made us from clay. I can look in shakespeare or my fat unabridged copy of moby dick and declare that the book shows scientific truths.
All hail teh mighty Moby Dick. I will start a religion around it. Either dickians or mobish are the names of

 

[bender118]

Actually bender there is on the human embryo. here it is: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm

and here are many other scientifi stuff.
http://islamyesterday.com/science/

What i see is, We made man form clay, being interpreted into embryo some how. How clay even remoletly looks like an embryo remains to be seen by me Or a leech for that matter. I want to see in plain english. We start as embryos, not God made us from clay. I can look in shakespeare or my fat unabridged copy of moby dick and declare that the book shows scientific truths.
All hail teh mighty Moby Dick. I will start a religion around it. Either dickians or mobish are the names of my new religion.
Hell, L Ron Hubbard did it, why cant I?

 

[Ryan2065]

it's really hard to try to explain arabic to someone who doesn't know arabic
but I will try , as Allah helps me

verse 47 contains the noun ( mosee3oon)

verse 48 contains the noun ( farshnaha)

mosee3oon , means to make some thing bigger than it is
and we don't use it for any other meaning , in our daily life

Farashnaha , means to spread something
and to make the picture closer
I will tell u how we may use it in our daily life
we may use it for the (blanket of the bed) for example

hope this helps

This actually doesn't really help...

So in verse 47 the present tense of "making something bigger" is being used which then says that the universe is getting bigger... In verse 48 the present tense of "spreading something out" is being used... So the earth is currently being spread out?

 

[maro]

This actually doesn't really help...

So in verse 47 the present tense of "making something bigger" is being used which then says that the universe is getting bigger... In verse 48 the present tense of "spreading something out" is being used... So the earth is currently being spread out?

no Ryan ,
the tense in verse 48 is " past"

hope this helps too

 

[Ryan2065]

no Ryan ,
the tense in verse 48 is " past"

hope this helps too

Hrm... from how each sentence is structured (about exactly the same way) I would more like to see proof of this rather than your word on it...

 

[Tiberius]

we are not trying to prove islam true because people r memorizing the book we r trying to prove that by scientific evidence and we came to the memorizing point to prove that it can never be changed because people every where memorize the book , and recite it daily in prayers and it is the same quran every where in the world unchanged , and can never be from the time Muhammed was sent , to the day of judgement

Then how can it be scientific? Science, by it's very definition, is changing.

For example, people once thought the dinosaur Iguanodon was a fat lumbering lizard. Then they found more complete fossils and changed the view so it had the posture more like a kangaroo. Now we know that iguanodon didn't hold it's body upright like a kangaroo, but horizontally, with the tail acting as a counterbalance, not dragging along the ground.

Piltdown man is another example of science changing, in that case, to dismiss a forgery.

Science changes as we learn more. if the Quran is unchanging, doesn't that discourge any attempts to learn more? Doesn't it basically say, "This is what there is, and you shouldn't try to learn anything new, because then you'll have to add it in, but you aren't allowed to add or change anything."

 

[Islam]

No, science is acceptable in Islam the prophet mohammed said seek knowledge even in China. Its part of islam to get knowledge in all iuts shapes and forms unlike christianity. islam also says that the best of people are those who seek knowledge. But we wouldnt add anything 2 the Quran because thats not allowed and its complete itself and hasnt been changed since it was revealed 1400 years ago.

 

[maro]

Hrm... from how each sentence is structured (about exactly the same way) I would more like to see proof of this rather than your word on it...

I don't have but my word
and I don't really know what kind of proof to give you

if u r interested in a confirmation for my word
then seek it by yourself

 

[Ryan2065]

I don't have but my word
and I don't really know what kind of proof to give you

if u r interested in a confirmation for my word
then seek it by yourself

I was more looking for a site that explains the Arabic behind the Quran or something of the sort...

 

[Tiberius]

No, science is acceptable in Islam the prophet mohammed said seek knowledge even in China. Its part of islam to get knowledge in all iuts shapes and forms unlike christianity. islam also says that the best of people are those who seek knowledge. But we wouldnt add anything 2 the Quran because thats not allowed and its complete itself and hasnt been changed since it was revealed 1400 years ago.

How can the Quran be complete if it tells us to go and find the knowledge we don't have yet?

And why does the Quran tell us that this new knowledge we gather (as it commands us) has no place at all in that book?

Doesn't that mean the Quran is saying, "I am complete, but there's still more to know, even though I am complete in every way. So go out and find all this new knowledge, but don't even think for a second that this new information has any place in me."

The Quran tells us that it is complete, so if there is any additional information that isn't in it, it wouldn't be complete. And then, it tells us that anything else we learn that isn't in it has no place in it?

 

[maro]

I was more looking for a site that explains the Arabic behind the Quran or something of the sort...

www.altafsir.com

click Tafsirs
write no. of sura and verse
then display

u will see the verb (made) after the verb (spread)

 

[JerryL]

How can the Quran be complete if it tells us to go and find the knowledge we don't have yet?

And why does the Quran tell us that this new knowledge we gather (as it commands us) has no place at all in that book?

I think you are equivocating "complete"

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Again, people memorising a book is not evidence that the book is true, even if that book contains a promise that people will be able to memorise it.

People have memorised the Bible. You claim that not even the pope has. Even if this unsubstantiated claim is true, does that mean that no one else can memorise it? Many fundamentalist christians, I am sure, have memorised the Bible.

People have also memorised the digits of Pi. i think the record is about 30,000 digits of Pi. Does this tell us that the math gods are true?

And if the harry potter books have the line, "Your story is so remarkable, harry, that it wouldn't surprise me if one day everyone knew your story off by heart", would that mean that the Harry potter series is true if people memorise it?

And in any case, if you are too accept Islam as true because people have memorised the holy text of that faith, then should you accept that any religion is true if people have memorised that religion's holy text?

This is not the only reason but it is one along with many others that make you believe. I am not gonna say I accepted Islam on the sole basis that people memorized it. This is not sufficient for some. They need more evidences which Islam provides. But Still give me an evidence from other religions where they have multitudes of individuals from varying ages who have it memorized. We have ours where is there's as you mentioned. give me the person who has all of Harry Potter memorized line by line word for word.

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Er, do you have any evidence for that claim? Both that no one in the world has the bible memorized and that 6 and 7 year old kids have it memorized? I have seen some people know the bible front to back (say you ask them to recite a passage and they can)

I am talking about the entire book from cover to cover. From the first to the last. My sheihk has it memorized in the 10 different recitiations. He has a certificate from his sheihk where he sat and recited it all from beginning to end. Any mistake and he had to start over. I know many brothers i can give names if you like. where are you names give me this person who has the whole book memorized letter for letter. I am not talking about just certain verses but everything. where is your evidence.

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

how many muslims actually have the Quran memorized? i some how doubt a majority do...

there are many the exact number only Allah knows. Go to any mosque in any city or local there will at be at least one brother who does.

in defense...it is not necessary for the Torah to be memorized as we are instructed to study it's words...no promise from Hashem that it would be easily memorized tho i have met many a fine Yeshiva student get up and lain w/o having to prepare for that shabbat's torah service.

No one said it is obligatory for every muslim to learn it all by heart. the issue is, Allah said it is easy for the believers to remember and recite. And it is. This is the evidence. Allah god almighty says it is easy and you see many muslims have it in its entirety or very large portions and so on and so on. Go to the masjids on ramadan the whole of Quran will be recited in the Tarweeh prayer.

 

[Ryan2065]

I am talking about the entire book from cover to cover. From the first to the last. My sheihk has it memorized in the 10 different recitiations. He has a certificate from his sheihk where he sat and recited it all from beginning to end. Any mistake and he had to start over. I know many brothers i can give names if you like. where are you names give me this person who has the whole book memorized letter for letter. I am not talking about just certain verses but everything. where is your evidence.

You made the claim that Muslims can memorize the Quran and Christians cannot memorize the Bible... I would expect you to back up your claim and not expect me to supply your evidence...

 

[Ryan2065]

*Sigh* I guess I will do your research for you...

Tons of people have made up systems to memorize the entire bible... If it wasn't possible, one would think they wouldn't create the systems. Here is one such system.

http://www.makeitclearnow.org/bibmem.html