Me Myself
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My she friends both understand and watch point themselves (though rarely allegedly)
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Seeing That Women Can Go Topless Now Do You Suppose A Lot More Rapes Will Happen?
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My she friends both understand and watch point themselves (though rarely allegedly)
Alceste
Vagabond
Can you find me an example of anyone, ever, rapist or non-rapist, who had claimed not to care one way or the other whether their partner is consenting? I've done a lot of reading on the subject (psychology, sociology, studies of convicted sex offenders, etc, plus lots and lots of consensual sex), and I've never come across an example like that. Every survivor I know seems to have gotten the impression her attacker was specifically getting off on the force / domination. Like a "you don't get to say no to me" type of thing. They seemed fully aware consent was absent and seemed to be making some kind of point.
Titanic
Well-Known Member
Cool friend.
Poeticus
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Alceste
Vagabond
Guys watch porn. I'm ok with reality.
Me Myself
Back to my username
Two things.
One is that the victim`s perspective is an incomplete one (as is anyone`s, even those not deeply marked and hurt by such emotionally twisting dramatic event)
Second that as you very well say, those are those you know, and further more, those that you know that you know.
Titanic
Well-Known Member
That we do. Although it was more of a phase for me when I was younger.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
The attitude of "you don't get to say no to me" and wanting sex aren't mutually exclusive. Like every other human behavior, there can be a wide variety of complex motivations and factors. A few posts back, I brought up the example that in many cultures now and throughout history women are expected to succumb to their husband's sexual desire even if they don't want to. And I wouldn't be surprised if this type of spousal rape is the most common form overall. Painting each and every occurence of that as having only to do with domination and nothing to do with sexual urges seems to be a rather naive view of human behavior.
Alceste
Vagabond
The studies I mentioned tell the other side of the story. I only know one rapist. He abused a girl he was babysitting. She was crying the whole time and he knew it was wrong - knew it was rape. Makes no sense to imagine he actually wanted to have consensual sex with a child.
And the reason it can be a motivation is the mindset of the rapist, which is why I say no one rapes do to being horny
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If I may say so, you're very wise. It seems to me relatively easy to accept the ways men and women are alike, but it requires some wisdom to accept the differences, such as they are.
EDIT: Sorry about that. Lately, I've been on a binge about accepting each other's sexuality. I hardly know what's gotten into me. I've been offering unsolicited opinions on it to everyone and their domestic animals.
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Me Myself
Back to my username
And the reason it can be a motivation is the mindset of the rapist, which is why I say no one rapes do to being horny
But you just said who does.
Those who have such a mindset.
Alceste
Vagabond
All along I've been saying that what distinguishes rape from ordinary sex is the domination / control / force aspect of it. Not extreme levels of being really horny, or seeing a nipple. Spousal rape still falls under the category of domination / control / force.
I have never said that rape has nothing whatsoever to do with sexual intercourse ("contracourse?"). Obviously sexual gratification for the perpetrator is often involved.
But we call it "sexual assault" rather than "assaultual sex" for a reason.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Like women being poor drivers and overly emotional? Yes, it is wise to accept these differences.
Me Myself
Back to my username
No, what distingishes rape is it being unconsensual.
domination control and force elements can very well be part of a sexual game between consenting adults.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Oh okay, something changed somewhere along the way since the older threads on this subject, or I misunderstood you before. Mystic's position was that rape is never about sex, at all, and it seemed that you had agreed with and supported her position. I apologize if I misunderstood.
Exactly! Finally, someone who understands me!
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Great penises think alike.
