Setting The Bible Reader Straight

[sojourner]

Sure I did. That is not saying that God wrote the bible is it? *2 TIMOTHY 3:16

Yes. As a matter of fact, that’s precisely what it means. As I said before, “inspired” does not mean “dictation.” You seem to think that what is written are God’s exact words, as if people were taking direct dictation, or as if God wrote words himself. In fact, you stated earlier that God did fo that very thing!

So.., just what DO you believe? What does “God’s words” mean to you?

Because you insist that Moses wrote Genesis. But then you say that Genesis is God’s words, which contradicts that theory.

 

[sojourner]

Sure God knows the extent of the world. Why would you think he didn't? There is no printed untruth. God does not lie only men do *ROMANS 3:4

Because if these are God’s words, and if God knows everything, then there are blatant lies in the Bible that don’t jibe with scientific evidence.

 

[sojourner]

And what case would that be? Please see post # 281 linked which proves this is not the case and if you disagree please feel free to respond.

Because the phrase “taking him to the highest peak” and the act of “showing” imply actual seeing. If the devil was giving an “inner impression,” he wouldn’t need to do the whole mountain thing.

 

[sojourner]

There are things we just don't know

Well, that’s for ding dang sure!

 

[sojourner]

No need that is where the burden of proof lies. Same applies to you. I am not the one claiming there is no God in a religious forum

“Religious” does not infer the existence of deity.

 

[sojourner]

Perhaps it is you that have the problem. I have not come to a religious forum claiming there is no God and have no proof for my claims. Then when you are shown why you are in error by leaving out the context of the scriptures, you simply run away from discussing it. Post # 281 is a good example.

The error here is your assumption that the Bible is always factually true when, in fact, it is not. You can’t claim the veracity of the Bible by claiming that the Bible itself “says so.”

When the veracity if the Bible is on trial, we need an outside authority to make the determination. In this case scientific, historic, and archaeological evidence.

 

[3rdAngel]

Yes you did. Your memory appears to be rather short. Ot more likely you still are not able to think rationally when it comes to god beliefs.

YaawwwnZ. I am sorry did you say something?

 

[3rdAngel]

Yes. As a matter of fact, that’s precisely what it means. As I said before, “inspired” does not mean “dictation.” You seem to think that what is written are God’s exact words, as if people were taking direct dictation, or as if God wrote words himself. In fact, you stated earlier that God did fo that very thing!

So.., just what DO you believe? What does “God’s words” mean to you?

Because you insist that Moses wrote Genesis. But then you say that Genesis is God’s words, which contradicts that theory.

Ehh now your making things up no one said. This is sad for you. All of it is indeed Gods Word. I never said as you claim God wrote the bible. What do you think 2 Timothy 3:16 means?

 

[3rdAngel]

Because if these are God’s words, and if God knows everything, then there are blatant lies in the Bible that don’t jibe with scientific evidence.

As posted earlier there is no blatant lies in God's Word. God does not lie only men do *ROMANS 3:4. What do you think that means in relation to your post above?

 

[3rdAngel]

Because the phrase “taking him to the highest peak” and the act of “showing” imply actual seeing. If the devil was giving an “inner impression,” he wouldn’t need to do the whole mountain thing.

This is addressed in detail in post # 281 linked which shows why your assumptions are in error. They are your assumptions and your friends and they are not based in the scriptures. Which means your reading into the scriptures what they are not saying. The scripture do not say how JESUS was taken to an exceeding high mountain except that the devil took him there or does it say how JESUS was shown all the kingdoms of the world in a moment (which is also impossible) accept the devil showed him. The scriptures here and elsewhere suggest it was in vision. Please feel free to address the linked post above if you disagree.

 

[3rdAngel]

The error here is your assumption that the Bible is always factually true when, in fact, it is not. You can’t claim the veracity of the Bible by claiming that the Bible itself “says so.” When the veracity if the Bible is on trial, we need an outside authority to make the determination. In this case scientific, historic, and archaeological evidence.

Not at all. The bible has never been on trial by those who believe it. It is indeed factual and verified in both history, archeology and science. Keep in mind science does not have all the answers either, if it did we would no longer need it and it is only as good as the last experiment until a hypothesis is proven wrong which happens all the time. You can put your faith in men that deny God but this is foolishness with God. I will put my faith in God and his Word and we will see what happens in the end.

 

[sojourner]

Ehh now your making things up no one said. This is sad for you. All of it is indeed Gods Word. I never said as you claim God wrote the bible. What do you think 2 Timothy 3:16 means?

You claim that God didn’t write the Bible. Then how can the Bible be God’s words? Answer: it can’t. People wrote the Bible and it’s the words of people. “Inspiration” =\= dictation.

 

[sojourner]

As posted earlier there is no blatant lies in God's Word. God does not lie only men do *ROMANS 3:4. What do you think that means in relation to your post above?

It means that the Bible is the words of people.

 

[sojourner]

This is addressed in detail in post # 281 linked which shows why your assumptions are in error. They are your assumptions and your friends and they are not based in the scriptures. Which means your reading into the scriptures what they are not saying. The scripture do not say how JESUS was taken to an exceeding high mountain except that the devil took him there or does it say how JESUS was shown all the kingdoms of the world in a moment (which is also impossible) accept the devil showed him. The scriptures here and elsewhere suggest it was in vision. Please feel free to address the linked post above if you disagree.

It means that it is a story and not a history account. Written by people.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I would say you have to have more faith in not believing God if you cannot prove that God does not exist

But you ALSO say that the entire world flooded that one time, based on an ancient book of superstition written by people who didn't understand how to make Steel.

Who thought bats were the same as birds.

Who thought all insects have only 4 legs.

Who thought that pork was Magic, and should not be touched.

Who thought that Cotton and Linen in one garment was Magic and could not be worn.

Who thought that putting Peas next to Corn in one's garden invited Magic Pixies, which magically tainted the food.

Who believed that women during their monthlies were Magically Dirty.

Who thought *nothing* of selling their daughters as a sex slave, to pay debts.

So. Who cares what YOU believe, hmmm?

 

[sojourner]

The error here is your assumption that the Bible is always factually true when, in fact, it is not. You can’t claim the veracity of the Bible by claiming that the Bible itself “says so.”

When the veracity if the Bible is on trial, we need an outside authority to make the determination. In this case scientific, historic, and archaeological evidence.

The bible has never been on trial by those who believe it

It has always been on trial by biblical scholars.

It is indeed factual and verified in both history, archeology and science

Nope. You’re wrong.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

The bible will always remain irrelavant to those who do not know God or beleive his Word. All you have managed to do in this thread is prove God's Word true. The natural man receives not the things of the spirit of God neither can he know them as spiritual things are spiritually discerned. You will never know God by denying him. Yet you know deep down inside that there is a God or you would not be here.

LMAO! You believe in Magic. So who cares what YOU think?

A REAL GOD WOULD KNOW WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BE CONVINCING.

And not send CHILDREN to further it's message.

 

[sojourner]

The bible has never been on trial by those who believe it

Jesus put it on trial and he believed it. Jesus weighed the texts all the time. “It is written... but I tell you...”

We should always weigh the texts in order to determine their veracity and value for us. That’s why they’re there: to help us ask questions of ourselves and test our beliefs. That’s how they help keep us honest.

If you just take them at face value, they’re really not worth much, other than for confirmation bias.

 

[sojourner]

Nonsense! Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H2329 חוּג; chûg From H2328; a circle: - circle, circuit, compassive

In ISAIAH 40:17-25 context determines the topic of the conversation. There is nothing in the context of ISAIAH 40:17-25 that is talking about a flat earth. The scriptures says that God sits, as a judge or governor upon his throne, upon the circle of the earth; or, above the circle; far above this round earth, even in the highest heavens; from whence he looketh down upon the earth, where men appear to him like grasshoppers. He alludes to one that looks down upon the earth below him from some high place. This is the context.

In space on the earth, above (upon) and below is wherever you maybe on the earth which is determined by gravity. There is no up and down in space as up and down is everywhere in space depending on where gravity is. "Down" is simply the direction gravity is pulling you, and "up" is just the opposite direction wherever you are on earth.

This means in the scriptures in Isaiah 40:15-25 that God is everywhere! Our planet is only one of many planets and stars in one of many universes and galaxies. Since there is gravity everywhere in space, there is also an up and down everywhere in all directions in space. There is no such thing as a flat earth in scripture. It is only you trying to deny God's Word with your own words which are not God's Word but your words because you do not know God or his Word.

Your welcome

A circle is round, but by definition it is flat. A sphere is wholly different, geometrically, from a circle.


You’re welcome.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Because the phrase “taking him to the highest peak” and the act of “showing” imply actual seeing. If the devil was giving an “inner impression,” he wouldn’t need to do the whole mountain thing.

I think he knows that. It has been desperation time for a while.