Seven Reasons it's easier to Believe in God than to Accept Evolution

[Alceste]

Here are two problems

1- No access to evidence, if there is in the first place

2- Huge percentage of what are written are theories and assumptions that try to fill up the actual lack of information.

Of course there's evidence. Do you think nobody's ever had a look at the inside of a whale before? Taken photos or drawn sketches of whale anatomy? My own evidence is David Attenborough standing inside a whale skeleton, pointing at the vestigial hip bones. You can see that documentary yourself if only you would bother to become educated on the subject instead of complaining it's impossible. It's the Life of Mammals, I believe. That entire series of documentaries is wonderful, and would deeply enrich your life if you were at all curious about the world you live in.

 

[Sabour]

Of course there's evidence. Do you think nobody's ever had a look at the inside of a whale before? Taken photos or drawn sketches of whale anatomy? My own evidence is David Attenborough standing inside a whale skeleton, pointing at the vestigial hip bones. You can see that documentary yourself if only you would bother to become educated on the subject instead of complaining it's impossible. It's the Life of Mammals, I believe. That entire series of documentaries is wonderful, and would deeply enrich your life if you were at all curious about the world you live in.

Why would you expect from others to do so when you don't bother to watch the video that one would link to understand his position?

I admit I don't have much information about the whole evolution thing. But logically I can't accept it. Not in the way that it is being portrayed anyways.

A simple thing I want to see to accept evolution are those Intermediary species.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Why would you expect from others to do so when you don't bother to watch the video that one would link to understand his position?

I admit I don't have much information about the whole evolution thing. But logically I can't accept it. Not in the way that it is being portrayed anyways.

A simple thing I want to see to accept evolution are those Intermediary species.

It's often difficult to logically accept something when you have little to no information about it. All that's being asked of you is to obtain more information before making any decision either way. And yet, time and again it seems you simply refuse to be informed. It's rather confusing and frustrating.

 

[LuisDantas]

Why would you expect from others to do so when you don't bother to watch the video that one would link to understand his position?

I admit I don't have much information about the whole evolution thing. But logically I can't accept it. Not in the way that it is being portrayed anyways.

A simple thing I want to see to accept evolution are those Intermediary species.

As it turns out, there is this, which I presented today in other thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synapsid

 

[Awkward Fingers]

I admit I don't have much information about the whole evolution thing. But logically I can't accept it. Not in the way that it is being portrayed anyways.
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You say you can't accept it as it's been presented to you, but in this thread, you've been told that it has been poorly presented, or misrepresented to you, yet you refuse to look for evidence.

Be honest, you simply don't want to find out you're wrong.
The information is ready to find. You just don't seen ready to look.

 

[Ouroboros]

A simple thing I want to see to accept evolution are those Intermediary species.

You have to go to museums or university to see them.

UCMP is a database (without pictures unfortunately) of most fossils found up until now in the world. There's some half a million.

Fossil collections

Each and every individual is an intermediate between parents and children.

I am the intermediate specimen between my parents and my five children. So is my wife.

You see, "species" is only a word for "collection of familiar specimens." We all humans make up Homo sapiens because of the similarities of each other. The features that we share, make a species, but... we are actually all unique and different. You have a unique combination of genes, and even, most likely a few mutations. We all do.

The modern human has differences in the skull and skeleton compared to the archaic Homo sapiens 50-100,000 years ago. We know we are related, but both genotype and phenotype has changed. Not enough to make it a huge difference, but big enough for us to know that it changes. And, if you look at the even older human fossils, Homo neanderthalis, ergaster, etc, you see even more changes. And if you compare to Australopithecus, there's even more changes, and they're actually both human and ape-like in their features. They have enough human features for us to know they were early humans, but enough ape like features for us to know they were somewhere in between. There are 9 Australopithecus in the UCMP database so far.

If I remember right, the Natural Museum in New York used to have a whole floor of boxes of unsorted fossils of transitional forms of Equus (horse). We have enough to see the transition from a much smaller animal with a different configuration of toes and skeletal form. It's one of the most well documented transitions besides whale and trilobites.

 

[Alceste]

Why would you expect from others to do so when you don't bother to watch the video that one would link to understand his position?

I admit I don't have much information about the whole evolution thing. But logically I can't accept it. Not in the way that it is being portrayed anyways.

A simple thing I want to see to accept evolution are those Intermediary species.

I told you I've already watched videos and read books explaining your position and have found them all to be operating from a position of ignorance and sloppy reasoning. Can you honestly say you've given science an equally fair hearing?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

No, evidence can be presented in multiple ways.

Such as scientific articles in the form of links in a forum post?

 

[Alceste]

Such as scientific articles in the form of links in a forum post?

If his own contribution is any indication, perhaps he's after a youtube video of some random talking head opining on the subject.

 

[Sapiens]

That example demonstrates how it took about 40 years I think to discover the fraud. Was it negligence or walking with an eye closed I wonder.

Piltdown was the perfect fraud, for it's day. Tests did not the exist to expose it. I think the hoax was committed by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, in large part out of whimsey to make fun of the white British scientists and their society. As wiki notes: "The Piltdown case is an example of how racial, nationalist and gendered discourses shaped some science at the time. Piltdown's semi-human features were explained by reference to non-white ethnicities whom many Europeans of that time considered a lower form of human.[26] The influence of nationalism is clear in the differing interpretations of the find: whilst the majority of British scientists accepted the discovery as "the Earliest Englishman",[27] European and American scientists were considerably more sceptical, and several suggested at the time that the skull and jaw were from two different creatures and had been accidentally mixed up."

I don't subscribe to the idea that it was scientists that showed it was a fraud. I would say they couldn't hide it anymore.

Piltdown was just an example on why I won't trust what I hear.

If something contradicts with what Allah tells us, than I am sure I know who is the one at fault. After all there was a time when the brightest minds on earth thought that the earth was flat.

There were a number of scientists that never believed it, kept questioning it, and as there were more and more other finds that made a human brained, ape jawed, Englishman more and more unlikely the demands from a portion of the scientific community required modern testing methods be applied and they were.

Isn't there others? I haven't searched, am only asking?

No other hoaxes, but there were a few mistakes.

I agree mistake would happen, but this is a huge topic we are are talking about here. It was major news back than.

Anyways philosophy goes by "do anything for the greater good". Evolution theory is viewed as the greater good by a huge number of parties. I can assure you that.
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Still there are some scientists who are against evolution.

Too many possibilities here.

Anyways the hoax isn't the strongest reason why I don't believe in evolution. I already explained that.

The "greater good" thing is a red herring, science runs on what is good for the individual scientist. Were is evolution viewed as the greater good ... no where I know of. It is viewed as the correct interpretation of may streams of data ... but that is not the greater good. There are so few scientists who are against evolution that they have to pad the numbers with health practitioners and engineers and still barely make a percent or so. There is actually only one possibility here.

I agree to the part of we are non experts and we leave out the details. As for the evidence, I think major people who say yes to evolution haven't even seen the proof or evidence.

My closest guess is what we have evidence for is adaptation and not a change of species and people would say that the evidence of the first would lead to the second, but the second needs more time. It would be like because we have adaptation, with time more adaptation would take place and we will have change of species. This is only a guess here, I am not sure if its true. The reason I would say that is because once I heard something about the terms macro and micro.

Adaptation would be an acceptable concept. As for the change of species and for us being apes before, I am sure I know the answer to that.

And thanks for your explanation about the theory concept.

I have seen the evidence and it is real.

Dear Monk, Of course you can find that one of our ancestors was a Chimp BUT that does NOT show that Humans evolved from Chimps. What it shows is that men did NOT write the Bible, since they knew NOTHING of How or when prehistoric people changed from animal to Human intelligence, but God did, and here is what He says:

Gen 6:4There were (intellectual) giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (Prehistoric people) came in unto the daughters of men, (Heb-Adam) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Humans were made Billions of years BEFORE prehistoric mankind. Gen 2:7 Humans (descendants of Adam) came to this Earth some 10k years ago when Adam's world was "clean dissolved" Isa 24:19 in the Flood. That is WHEN and HOW the prehistoric people, who were already here when Noah arrived, changed (within ONE generation) into Intellectual Giants, and TODAY, there are more than 7 Billion Humans (descendants of Adam) on Planet Earth.

Here is historic evidence of the Arrival of modern Humans (descendants of Adam) on this Planet of people who descended from the common ancestor of Apes. God Bless you. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

In Love,
Aman

Thanks for the report from the nut farm.

Yep that is because as I said Quraan has some hints and theories, like saying that mountains are as pegs. This can be considered a scienrific information.

As for the last line, I meant by the word "believe" that we think that this is not found to be true in the first place, as a matter of fact it is false.

All that is denied in the video is that people originated from apes. That is something I am sure of. There will be no evidence provided and accessible to people ever because such evidence doesn't exist.

The video contains a huge number of mistakes and outright misrepresentations.

I would have to bring you a whale carcass and show you the leg bones in person?

No, evidence can be presented in multiple ways.

I have dissected many whales and I testify to the presence of rudimentary pelvic and limb structures.

Here are two problems

1- No access to evidence, if there is in the first place

2- Huge percentage of what are written are theories and assumptions that try to fill up the actual lack of information.

Most of the evidence is easily accessible. We already dealt with what is a theory. The assumptions that are made do not exist in a vacuum, they are multiple, integrated, mutually supporting streams of data.

Of course there's evidence. Do you think nobody's ever had a look at the inside of a whale before? Taken photos or drawn sketches of whale anatomy? My own evidence is David Attenborough standing inside a whale skeleton, pointing at the vestigial hip bones. You can see that documentary yourself if only you would bother to become educated on the subject instead of complaining it's impossible. It's the Life of Mammals, I believe. That entire series of documentaries is wonderful, and would deeply enrich your life if you were at all curious about the world you live in.

Been there, done that, seen it ... please take my word for it.

Why would you expect from others to do so when you don't bother to watch the video that one would link to understand his position?

I admit I don't have much information about the whole evolution thing. But logically I can't accept it. Not in the way that it is being portrayed anyways.
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A simple thing I want to see to accept evolution are those Intermediary species.

I watched the video, on the subject of evolution it is not creditable. Every single organism is the chain can be considered an "Intermediary species."

 

[Aman777]

Aman:>>Here is historic evidence of the Arrival of modern Humans (descendants of Adam) on this Planet of people who descended from the common ancestor of Apes. God Bless you. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

Thanks for the report from the nut farm.

Dear Sapiens, Thanks for the view of those who worship at the Altar of Evolution, which leaves them with nothing but ad hominem to offer. I noticed you also failed miserably to refute the evidence which I posted. Don't feel bad since the other Evol worshippers have also found it impossible to refute. Their Godhating and lying for Satan seems to be more important to them than actually discussing the Facts.

Most Evols have been brain washed since childhood to accept the ridiculous notion that they are nothing but evolved Apes, but you appear to be proud of the silly idea that your ancestors were nothing but nasty old dirty animals. Correct? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Sapiens]

Aman:>>Here is historic evidence of the Arrival of modern Humans (descendants of Adam) on this Planet of people who descended from the common ancestor of Apes. God Bless you. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE



Dear Sapiens, Thanks for the view of those who worship at the Altar of Evolution, which leaves them with nothing but ad hominem to offer. I noticed you also failed miserably to refute the evidence which I posted. Don't feel bad since the other Evol worshippers have also found it impossible to refute. Their Godhating and lying for Satan seems to be more important to them than actually discussing the Facts.

Most Evols have been brain washed since childhood to accept the ridiculous notion that they are nothing but evolved Apes, but you appear to be proud of the silly idea that your ancestors were nothing but nasty old dirty animals. Correct? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

You have posted bible quotes and a map. The map is fine, but proves nothing. The bible quotes are meaningless. Were is your evidence? All of us have been asking since the start of this thread and you have produced nothing. All that left is to assure you that you are a complete idiot ... but then you seem to already know that since you continue to fail to produce the evidence that you say you are going to.

 

[RichardParker]

Dear Sapiens, Thanks for the view of those who worship at the Altar of Evolution, which leaves them with nothing but ad hominem to offer. I noticed you also failed miserably to refute the evidence which I posted. Don't feel bad since the other Evol worshippers have also found it impossible to refute. Their Godhating and lying for Satan seems to be more important to them than actually discussing the Facts.

Most Evols have been brain washed since childhood to accept the ridiculous notion that they are nothing but evolved Apes, but you appear to be proud of the silly idea that your ancestors were nothing but nasty old dirty animals. Correct? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

First of all:
Does it matter if we are "proud" of that?
I'm not "proud" of that fact, I'm not ashamed of it either. Because I don't think that reality cares much about what I find flattering or insulting. If we are related to other apes (which by now is pretty much a done deal, there isn't much question about that anymore) I would want to know it and understand it, because I want to know as much about this universe as I can. And even if it turned out that reality was something that I didn't like, I wouldn't just ignore the facts, because I understand that my personal preference doesn't matter.

Now, about the simple fact that we are animals:
We are. Sorry, that's just a fact.
It's not even something that we have concluded as a result of evolution. We are animals, because we share all characteristics that all animals share. Evolution certainly explains WHY we are animals, but even if it turned out tomorow that our view of evolution has been wrong all along, this wouldn't change the fact that we would still be animals... And whatever new model we would find to explain life on this planet would have to explain this fact too.

 

[Sapiens]

I'm proud of my ape ancestors ... it's some of the human ones I could do without.

 

[Aman777]

You have posted bible quotes and a map. The map is fine, but proves nothing. The bible quotes are meaningless.

Dear Sapiens, My map is 100% more evidence than anything you have offered AND you cannot refute the FACT that the first evidence of modern Human traits are shown in the Map. According to the Myth of Evolism, Humans diverged from Chimps, some 6 Million years ago, and yet the FIRST evidence of Human farming, city building, and technology showed up within less than 1% of the time since Human diverged from Chimps. Can you explain WHY magical evolution takes so long?

Were is your evidence? All of us have been asking since the start of this thread and you have produced nothing.

It does NO good to present evidence to Religionists who stick their heads in the sand because they have NO evidence of their precious Theory of the evolution of Humans from Apes. WHEN and HOW did this magical event take place? Don't tell me cowboy stories, like all the other Evols do, about the Magic of long periods of time and numerous mutations, which cannot be repeated. It's nothing but a Satanic Lie made up by Godless men who are afraid of a Righteous Judgment of their evil deeds. Psa 14:1 The only thing which supports their circular reasoning is another Evol.

All that left is to assure you that you are a complete idiot ... but then you seem to already know that since you continue to fail to produce the evidence that you say you are going to.

Violating the 9th Commandment is indicated. Since you have NO evidence, you have nothing left but to call me names. It's the SAME with all the Evol worshippers here. They "believe" but have NO evidence, nada, none, to offer. Just take our word for it, they post, while we call you names and imply that you're nuts, because you don't agree with our Evol Religion.

You are not fooling anyone except those who are perishing along with you. Some REJECT God's Truth because they THINK they are smarter than God. That is certain EVIDENCE of idiocy, and guess who fits the description? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Aman:>>Most Evols have been brain washed since childhood to accept the ridiculous notion that they are nothing but evolved Apes, but you appear to be proud of the silly idea that your ancestors were nothing but nasty old dirty animals. Correct?

First of all:
Does it matter if we are "proud" of that?
I'm not "proud" of that fact, I'm not ashamed of it either. Because I don't think that reality cares much about what I find flattering or insulting. If we are related to other apes (which by now is pretty much a done deal, there isn't much question about that anymore) I would want to know it and understand it, because I want to know as much about this universe as I can. And even if it turned out that reality was something that I didn't like, I wouldn't just ignore the facts, because I understand that my personal preference doesn't matter.

Now, about the simple fact that we are animals:
We are. Sorry, that's just a fact.
It's not even something that we have concluded as a result of evolution. We are animals, because we share all characteristics that all animals share. Evolution certainly explains WHY we are animals, but even if it turned out tomorow that our view of evolution has been wrong all along, this wouldn't change the fact that we would still be animals... And whatever new model we would find to explain life on this planet would have to explain this fact too.

Dear Richard, Misguided scientists classify Humans as animals because they have rejected God's Truth that Humans are a Special Creation made BEFORE any other living creature. Gen 2:4-7 What confuses them is their desire to avoid the righteous judgment of God for their evil deeds.

God shows the difference between Humans and animals by showing that Humans are destined to have dominion or rule of every other living creature, Gen 1:28 because Humans are the descendants of Adam, the first Human, who was made with an intelligence like God's, and not like some old dumb animal. Gen 3:22 God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Sapiens]

Wack-a-doodle, do.

 

[idav]

God shows the difference between Humans and animals by showing that Humans are destined to have dominion or rule of every other living creature, Gen 1:28 because Humans are the descendants of Adam, the first Human, who was made with an intelligence like God's, and not like some old dumb animal. Gen 3:22
Aman

When ever you come face to face with a shark just go ahead and explain to it gods rules and you should be fine.

We are animals, mammals just happen to be the smartest. When chimps beat us in speed in accuracy in memory games then humans must be quite dumb also. The great apes are some of the few competition we actually have intellectually.

 

[Thruve]

Was the argument made already that evolution doesn't disproe God ubless genesis is taken literally to the point you bleed? Didn't bother reading hundreds of posts.

 

[Aman777]

When ever you come face to face with a shark just go ahead and explain to it gods rules and you should be fine.

We are animals, mammals just happen to be the smartest. When chimps beat us in speed in accuracy in memory games then humans must be quite dumb also. The great apes are some of the few competition we actually have intellectually.

Dear Idav, Then, what is the difference between animal and human intelligence? IF there is no difference, then WHY don't we have trials for animals in our Legal System? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman