Dear Readers, It seems obvious that the above poster has NO argument left. All he can manage is to call names or maybe he is role playing a Rooster. God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
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Seven Reasons it's easier to Believe in God than to Accept Evolution
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Dear Readers, It seems obvious that the above poster has NO argument left. All he can manage is to call names or maybe he is role playing a Rooster. God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
There should be a trial, an animal shouldnt be just shot. Besides a man can go to jail for killing a bear.
Aside from your strawman, it is very difficult to undertand their potential without finding some common ground for language first. Great apes are able to learn language so they are certainly able to understand right and wrong, but right and wrong are learned and/or experienced for any animal even human apes.
Apple Sugar
Active Member
Sapiens
Polymathematician
Well ... you are half way there. Good job as far as it goes.
Sapiens
Polymathematician
He's right, when we get down to the really stupid stuff, like man's dominion over the Earth (some dominion, the Earth gonna kill us right quick in return for our mistreatment and dominion taint gonna mean squat), then I start running out of patience for sensible answers ... it's Wack-a-doodle, do time, might as well enjoy it!
RichardParker
Member
No.
Humans are animals. That's just a fact. We are multicellular, eucariotic organisms which require other organic compounts as food and don't have any cell-walls or chloroplasts...
With other words: We are animals. Because that's the definition of an animal, at least it is in biology. And when you are talking about classification, you are talking about biology.
If you have a different definition for what YOU think the word "animal" means, feel free to share. But it doesn't change the fact that however you call the taxonomic group "animalia", humans are part of that. Your opinion on that doesn't change the facts.
Unless, of course, you can show that we are NOT f.e. multicellular organisms.
Even if that was true... we would STILL be animals. We have all the characterisitics of animals, therefore, we are animals. Even IF we were seperatly created, your god would still have created us as animals. This is just a fact.
Also: You claim that this has been done to "deny god" or something like that...?
How do you explain the millions of theists who accept the fact that we are animals? If there wasn't any objective reason for us to call ourselves "animals", but just an opinion based on our views on god... you would think that the majority of theists would reject that.
Not to forget: Our classification, as said before, doens't say anything about the existence of a god.
So, your argumentation fails in many different ways.
Actually, I could grant you ALL of that, and we would STILL be animals. Because we have the objectivly verifiable characteristics that are diagnostic for animals. Which, as a consequnce makes us animals.
Although, I have to say, I don't buy any of what you've said here. This idea has been disproven quite a while ago. And I won't just believe it, just because some old book says it so. I know many old books with fascinating creation-stories, but I'm not going to believe all of them, just because they are writen in some scriptures, and I will even less believe them, when they stand in oposition of our current scientific understanding.
Originally Posted by Aman777
Dear Idav, Then, what is the difference between animal and human intelligence? IF there is no difference, then WHY don't we have trials for animals in our Legal System? God Bless you.
Dear idav, I notice that you completely dodged answering WHY animals aren't tried in our legal system, so I will tell you. It's because animals don't have enough intelligence to know the difference between right and wrong, or good and evil. ONLY the descendants of Adam (Humans) have this ability, according to God. Gen 3:22
What strawman? It doesn't matter how many Human trainers try to teach Apes good and evil, they will NEVER be Humans, with the ability to understand good and evil. That is because Humans were made with this ability and Apes were NOT...or do you think that you know more than God? Human apes is an oxymoron. So is the False notion that Apes evolved the Human intelligence which ONLY Adam was made with.
Scientifically, Human intelligence MUST be inherited from another Human and that is Impossible apart from the birth process....UNLESS you can show us that Apes and Humans can produce offspring with each other, which you CANNOT. Not now, nor at any time in the past, can Apes and Humans produce children. That's because Humans are His (Jesus) kinds and Apes are Their (God's) kinds. Only the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Humans are sexually compatible. God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
Dear Idav, Then, what is the difference between animal and human intelligence? IF there is no difference, then WHY don't we have trials for animals in our Legal System? God Bless you.
Dear idav, I notice that you completely dodged answering WHY animals aren't tried in our legal system, so I will tell you. It's because animals don't have enough intelligence to know the difference between right and wrong, or good and evil. ONLY the descendants of Adam (Humans) have this ability, according to God. Gen 3:22
What strawman? It doesn't matter how many Human trainers try to teach Apes good and evil, they will NEVER be Humans, with the ability to understand good and evil. That is because Humans were made with this ability and Apes were NOT...or do you think that you know more than God? Human apes is an oxymoron. So is the False notion that Apes evolved the Human intelligence which ONLY Adam was made with.
Scientifically, Human intelligence MUST be inherited from another Human and that is Impossible apart from the birth process....UNLESS you can show us that Apes and Humans can produce offspring with each other, which you CANNOT. Not now, nor at any time in the past, can Apes and Humans produce children. That's because Humans are His (Jesus) kinds and Apes are Their (God's) kinds. Only the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Humans are sexually compatible. God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
Dear ZooGirl, Theistic Evolution is impossible. This is because theistic Evols MUST ignore the Scriptural Fact that Humans were made long BEFORE any other living creature. Humans were made on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 from the dust of the ground and EVERY other living creature was made on the 5th Day, from the Water. Gen 1:21 God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
Dear Sapiens, Your mistake is in thinking that Genesis Chapter ONE is in the past. Man's dominion or rule over "every other living creature" is in the FUTURE and will NOT take place until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet and changes EVERY lving creature into a Vegetarian. Gen 1:30
I will agree with you IF you can show us a time in the past when EVERY animal ate green herbs for meat, which you CANNOT. God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
Sapiens
Polymathematician
Your book can not be shown to be meaningful, in fact it can be shown to be highly flawed. So quoting it is a waste of all of our time. It is irrelevant and has not bearing on any of the real issues. You might as well be reading and quoting Hans Christian Anderson.
Jesus ain't a'comin' and no creatures (except people and that's the result of our failed "dominion" over the planet) are loosing their canines or carnassials.
Dear Richard, Humans were made some 10 Billion years BEFORE any other living creature and did NOT become animals when they sinned. Humans became flesh, like animals, but could NOT have evolved from animals since we were made BEFORE animals. Today's Science has much to learn but freely chooses to remain ignorant of God's Truth by ignoring God's classification system which involves His (Jesus) kinds and Their (Trinity) kinds.
False, since animals evolved from water and Humans were a Special Creation made by the Hands of Jesus. Gen 2:4-7 In the end, Humans will again regain our FIRST place position which is to have dominion or rule over every animal, including Apes.
Theistic Evols are WRONG since they MUST ignore what God told us in order to come up with their False position. God tells us that Humans were formed (like a Potter molds the Clay) Gen 2:4-7 and that EVERY other creature came forth from the water. Gen 1:21 IOW, there were TWO creations of living creatures.
I agree that today's Godless Science has REJECTED God's Truth in Genesis and Falsely teaches our children their UnSupportable view that we Magically evolved from Apes.
ONLY if you REJECT God's Truth in favor of the Unprovable ToE, which is the Biggest Satanic Lie ever told. Do you believe God or men who have rejected God's Truth?
It's YOUR free choice, but there are consequences for your UnBelief. God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
Sapiens
Polymathematician
Claim without evidence, just more quotes.
Claim without evidence, just more quotes.
Claim without evidence, just more quotes.
Claim without evidence, at least there were no quotes.
Claim without evidence, at least there were no quotes.
Claim without evidence, at least there were no quotes.
Dear Sapiens, That's a thousand times more than your unsupportable personal atheistic opinon, backed by nothing but Bluff. God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
Sapiens
Polymathematician
Claim without evidence, at least there were no quotes.
There is opinion, and then there are scientific findings and theory, backed by fossil and biological evidence both.
It is too bad that you do not understand the difference, for it is quite huge.
Thank you for interjecting some humor in an otherwise dry thread.
Sapiens
Polymathematician
All he has got, all he has ever had, all he has ever presented, are bible quotes, despite copious promises of actual evidence(s). It is my intent, from hear forward, to try not to engage in discussion or direct debate, which has proven useless in the face of his dogmatic bible thumping, but rather to simply point out each and every unsupported claim that he makes.
Originally Posted by Aman777
Dear Sapiens, That's a thousand times more than your unsupportable personal atheistic opinon, backed by nothing but Bluff. God Bless you.
Dear Luis, I support what I write with Science and History so your stock answer doesn't work with me. Can you tell us HOW fossil evidence measures Human intelligence? Of course not. Can you tell us WHY the first "humans", according to Science, waited Millions of years BEFORE they grew a Crop or built a home?
Can you explain WHY empirical Historic evidence, which can STILL be studied, shows that the FIRST Human farming, city building, and EVERY other trait of modern Humans SUDDENLY appeared on Planet Earth only 10k years ago? Of course not, but go ahead and try, while studying the following actual evidence:
Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
It is really fun to watch serious Evols fall all over themselves, just before they run away and stick their heads in the sand, because they that KNOW their precious Theory is destroyed by empirical historic evidence. God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
Dear Sapiens, That's a thousand times more than your unsupportable personal atheistic opinon, backed by nothing but Bluff. God Bless you.
Dear Luis, I support what I write with Science and History so your stock answer doesn't work with me. Can you tell us HOW fossil evidence measures Human intelligence? Of course not. Can you tell us WHY the first "humans", according to Science, waited Millions of years BEFORE they grew a Crop or built a home?
Can you explain WHY empirical Historic evidence, which can STILL be studied, shows that the FIRST Human farming, city building, and EVERY other trait of modern Humans SUDDENLY appeared on Planet Earth only 10k years ago? Of course not, but go ahead and try, while studying the following actual evidence:
Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
It is really fun to watch serious Evols fall all over themselves, just before they run away and stick their heads in the sand, because they that KNOW their precious Theory is destroyed by empirical historic evidence. God Bless you.
In Love,
Aman
Dear Readers, IF you ignore the empirical evidence of Human History, you can make all of the false statements you wish. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
IF you ignore the Scientific evidence, which shows that Humans produce other Humans and that Apes don't magically change into Humans, except in the Fantasy World of Evolutionism, you can spew forth ANY ridiculous OPINION you wish.
IF you ignore the evidence of God's Truth, which is the BEST and ONLY evidence of the time BEFORE the Big Bang, you can publicly state that there is NO evidence except your own unsupported OPINION.
Getting others to accept your view is something else, especially for those who are in a small MINORITY of atheists, who fight against God's Truth daily. God Bless all of you.
In Love,
Aman