Should Muslims acknowledge the Jews sovereignty over Israel?

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

It seems you are very adept at jumping to unwarranted conclusions. I just asked you where you got this information from, and if it's multiple sources those links could be listed.

and if it's multiple sources those links could be listed.< Where did I said this ?? Don't try speaking for me its waste of time .No conclusions its your mind-set , meaning your looking for excuses , it to be expected . I gave you my answer I'm not wasteing time on this backward and Forward .

 

[metis]

and if it's multiple sources those links could be listed.< Where did I said this ?? Don't try speaking for me its waste of time .No conclusions its your mind-set , meaning your looking for excuses , it to be expected . I gave you my answer I'm not wasteing time on this backward and Forward .

I don't think it's a waste of time to ask someone where they may have gotten some of their information from, especially when it's so "controversial" in terms of what you posted. Since you posted "historical" information, is it really too much to ask where you got this "historical" information from?

 

[Shermana]

I notice no Respond just excuse and more excuse , Trying to change the Script / Subject is an old trick by those who want to keep hideing the facts . My post show why the muslims shouldn't acknowldge Euro-Jew for takeing Pakestine by force . The best is yet to come . Attacking and Insulting one doesn't change the truth . It only show a sign of insecurity of those who are out to cover the truth . Like I said do some real Research . Those link's are control my the power that be .

While this may be true of many of Jayhawker's posts in general, the fact is that he asked you a basic question. Who owned Palestine in the 19th and early 20th century.

Answer: The British and Ottoman Turks.

Now as for "Takeing Palestine by force", context is very important. The Jews purchased most of the land they settled on, and the UN partition plan was based dividing up the already-arbitrary borders of the "Mandate of Palestine" (which did not even have such arbitrary borders during the Ottoman period) into districts based on Population, for the most part. The Arabs refused this, since they felt entitled to these arbitrary-defined borders simply just because it constituted the totality of a drawing the British came up with, and attacked violently. The Jews, after a bloody and difficult struggle, won, and went on the offensive which is WHAT YOU DO in war for strategic purposes. Taking land in war is for some reason off limits to the Jews but okay for everyone else? Would Israel have to be one of the only countries in history to give back land that they took in a defensive war?

And what right did the Arabs have to attack the Jews since the borders of the Palestine Mandate were arbitrarily defined in the first place? It was basically "Oh the British carved this land Palestine, that didn't have such borders until very recently, and now the UN wants to carve it again. Let's take the British defined borders guys!"

So it's cool if the Arabs try to take the Jewish land by force, led by the Nazi-collabarator Mufti "Kill all Jews for this restores your honor" Husseini, but if the Jews defend the line and go on the counter-offensive by force, suddenly it's a horrible evil.

This kind of hypocritical thinking may score you points with egomaniac conspiracy theorists who hate the concept of facts, objectivity, and having to read, but to everyone else, it just is insane.




Land is not necessarily "owned" by who settles on it, it's really a matter of who takes it by force to begin with. All countries, ALL countries, let me repeat that, ALL as in EVERY SINGLE country on Earth, is based on who won the battles to carve out those borders and keep them. The UN is made up of nothing but countries that were forged by war, conquest, and defense of those lands. You seem to have no problem with Arabs taking the land by force and claiming it as theirs, right? So what's the problem if Jews do the same?

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

While this may be true of many of Jayhawker's posts in general, the fact is that he asked you a basic question. Who owned Palestine in the 19th and early 20th century.

Answer: The British and Ottoman Turks.

Now as for "Takeing Palestine by force", context is very important. The Jews purchased most of the land they settled on, and the UN partition plan was based dividing up the already-arbitrary borders of the "Mandate of Palestine" (which did not even have such arbitrary borders during the Ottoman period) into districts based on Population, for the most part. The Arabs refused this, since they felt entitled to these arbitrary-defined borders simply just because it constituted the totality of a drawing the British came up with, and attacked violently. The Jews, after a bloody and difficult struggle, won, and went on the offensive which is WHAT YOU DO in war for strategic purposes. Taking land in war is for some reason off limits to the Jews but okay for everyone else? Would Israel have to be one of the only countries in history to give back land that they took in a defensive war?

And what right did the Arabs have to attack the Jews since the borders of the Palestine Mandate were arbitrarily defined in the first place? It was basically "Oh the British carved this land Palestine, that didn't have such borders until very recently, and now the UN wants to carve it again. Let's take the British defined borders guys!"

So it's cool if the Arabs try to take the Jewish land by force, led by the Nazi-collabarator Mufti "Kill all Jews for this restores your honor" Husseini, but if the Jews defend the line and go on the counter-offensive by force, suddenly it's a horrible evil.

This kind of hypocritical thinking may score you points with egomaniac conspiracy theorists who hate the concept of facts, objectivity, and having to read, but to everyone else, it just is insane.




Land is not necessarily "owned" by who settles on it, it's really a matter of who takes it by force to begin with. All countries, ALL countries, let me repeat that, ALL as in EVERY SINGLE country on Earth, is based on who won the battles to carve out those borders and keep them. The UN is made up of nothing but countries that were forged by war, conquest, and defense of those lands. You seem to have no problem with Arabs taking the land by force and claiming it as theirs, right? So what's the problem if Jews do the same?

Go back and read my whole post ok , Also at the end , It says more in next post . It get deeper then your above post . Bottom line here Muslims have no reson to acknowledge the Jews sovereignty over Israel? . They out right took it Duhhhhh

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

Part-One of this post ( Balfour Declaration ) . Now before someone come with that Anti-card etc etc etc . Don't even try it because it old , And it's only used to side step the truth .

The Bear is symbolic of the 26th President of the U.S. Theodore ( Teddy ) Roosevelt ( 1858 -1919 A.D. ) . He was the first American President to declare war with the Arab Nation . He also firmly established secret agencies such as the Federal Bureau of Investigation ( FBI ) and the Central Intelligence Agency ( CIA ) . His mouth is said to be like a lion because he spoke loudly in an arrogant voice . And with his determination to prove himself right , he had the U.S. join forces with Britain and France against Muslims for the occupation of Morocco . President Roosevelt received the nickname ''Teddy '' because he loved bears . A cartoon sketch was made depicting him as sparing a cub . ''Like a lion '' also refers to the Jews who cliam to be descendants of the tribe of Judah .

They are Jebusites of Kena'an , Kana'an , Canaan . They are the ones who say they are Jews and are not ; '' I know thy works , and tribulation , and poverty ; ( but thou art rich ) and I know the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews , and are not , but are the synagogues of Satan '' ( Revelation 2 ; 9 ) .

And it states in Revelation 13 ; 3 , and I Quote ; '' And I saw one of its heads as having been slain to death , and its deadly would was healed And all the earth marveled after the beast ''.

On March 30 , 1981 A.D., Ex -President Ronald Wilson Reagan authorozed the establishment of the Church of Satan . While he was the president , an attempted assassination was made on his life by John Hinckley Jr . Reagan sustained two gun shot wounds to the chest , and much to the public's amazement , this 70 year old man recovered from these otherwise fatal shots . This incident made Reagan one of the most impressive of all the U.S. presidents .

Revelation 13 ; 4 , states '' And they worshipped the dragon whichgave power unto the beast ; and they worshipped the beast , saying . Who is like unto the beast ? Who is able to make war with him .

The whole world submitted to the rule of the United States who gave power to Euro-Jews through the establishment of the State of Israel in the Balfour Declaration in 1917 A.D. Notice Israel is not called a Country or Kingdom , it is called a State because it is an Extension of the United States . Zionism , a political movenment advocating the return of the Euro-Jubusites -Jews to Palestine had been born in 1895 A.D. When a Viennese newspaperman , Theodor Herzl , published a pamphlet entitled '' Der Judenstaat '' The Jewish State '' . It first setence read . '' The Jews who will it , shall have a states of their own .

Balfour and Prime Minister David Lloyd Geoorge , wanted to right centuries of wrongs done to the Jebusites ( Euro-Jews ) by European Christians . As reparation , they offered Palestine . They offered it because they had been charmed and their conscience was stirred by the Chairman of the British Zionist Federation . Dr Chaim Weizmann. They offered it because , by the standards of this imperialist age , if you captured territory from an enemy , you do with it as you pleased . In 1917 A.D., it pleased Britain's rulers to give the Jebusites ( Euro-Jews ) a national home in lands they had won from the Turks .

In 1922 . the Sykes - Picot Agreement was codified by the League of Nations . Palestine and the other Arab -populated Turkish territories became mandates , or in the native words of the League , '' sacred trusts of civilization '' that were supposed to reach independence under Europen tutelage . The League assigned Lebanon and Syria to France ; Iraq , Palestine and Trans-Jordan to the Jordan River , from Palestine and gave it to Prince Faisak's brother , Abdullah , to rule under the direction of a British president .

To be continue un-less it become ( Sab-o-tage / Off the topic ) .

In the wording of the Mandate for Palestine , the League made it clear that Britain's principle was to establish a national home for the Jebusites ( Euro-Jews ) . But did a '' National Home '' mean a Jewish State or merely a home for a Jewish minority in an Arab state ? The League did not say . It unwisely left this crucial question to be decided by the number of Jews who immigrated to Palestine .

During the next Twenty -Five years , the level of Jewish immigration became a matter of national survival for both Jebusites ( Euro-Jews ) and Arabs . Jebusites ( Euro-Jews ) insisted on the right to immigrate and purchase land without restriction . Arabs insisted that unrestricted Jewish immigration automatically violated their right . Throughout its rule in Palestine , Britain struggled to do the impossible ; strike a ''fair '' balance between these uncompromising and irreconcilable positions while at the same time pursuing its own strategic and economic interests in the region .

'' Fairness '' , however , was the last thing either Jebusites ( Euro-Jews ) or Arabs wanted they both wanted Palestine for themselves . Until 1933 A.D. Jewish immigration was modest and only once , in 1925 A.D. did it exceed 14,000 a year . When Hitler came to power in 1933 A.D. Jewish immigration to Palestrine increased dramatically . The harsh Nazi laws directed at Jebusites ( Euro-Jews ) proved the Zionist contention that the Jebusites ( Euro-Jews ) were a people , who did not belong in Europe . Sixty-thousand Jebusites ( Euro-Jews ) immigrated to Palestine in 1935 A.D. ( fifteen times as many as had come four years earlier ) . The Arabs calculated that at this rate the Euro-Jews would become a majority in only Ten Years .

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

Partwo of post # 88

In 1936 A.D. , they rebelled against British rule . Arabs now killed British officals as well as Jewish civilians . The British Army and police force resorted to harsh punishments and reprisals to defeat the rebellion . In 1939 A.D. in order to forestall future Arab unrest , Britain issued a White Paper , or statement of policy , restricting Jewish immigration to a total of 75,000 during the coming five years . After that , any immogration would depend on ''Arab consent '' . Britain hoped this White Paper would gurantee the support , or at least the neutrality of the Arabs in Palestine and neighboring countries in case war broke out with Germany .

The Arabs considered the White Paper a minimal concession ; the beginning rather than the end , of a readdressing of the injustices of the Balfour Declaration . For the Jebusites ( Euro-Jews ) is was a betrayal of Balfour and a violation of the League's mandate , proof that Arab terrorists had succeeded in intimidating Britain . The virtual closing of Palestine to Jewish immigration at a time when Jebusites ( Euro-Jews ) in Europe were subjected to persecution convinced some of a sinister British plot to prevent their escaping Hitler ...

To be continue un-less it become ( Sab-o-tage / Off the topic ) .

 

[sojourner]

Hmmm... The Balfour Declaration is wholly political. Why is it in play in a thread whose OP claims it is not political, but scriptural?

 

[sojourner]

What the meaning of the words Israel and jew ?

You can always tell who has the control of one's thought' / mind's , The media .

The three major television networks were founded by Euro-Jews ( Jebusite of Canaan );

David Sarnoff - NBC ( National Broadcasting Corporation );
William S . Paley - CBS ( Columbia Broadcasting System ) ;
Goldenson - ABC ( American Broadcasting Corpotation ) . < Don't believe me check-out , For yourself .

Gentiles occupy the front desk positions but the Euro-Jews control the television industry . Euro-Jews make-up 59% of the executive position and only three percent of the working force .

In the motion picture industry , all picture companies were founded and controlled by the Euro-Jews with the exception of United Artist Industries . The largest entertainment monopoly - MCA , dominates entertainment and is also controlled by the Euro-Jews ( Jebusite of Canaan );

Plzz don't used the Anti-card because that old and weak . Anyway truth is truth .

Why should one acknowledge anything that not true . Meaning if some-one came to your house and told you God gave them your house would you just give it up . No you would not !

"Please don't play the anti-Jew card???" Let me ask you a simple question: Is there something wrong or illegal about Jews owning or even controlling media? The major networks and motion picture companies are American companies, yes? And in this country, Jews can own anything they want and are able to own.

(BTW, I have yet to see one decent biblical argument here in this "scriptural" debate.)

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

"Please don't play the anti-Jew card???" Let me ask you a simple question: Is there something wrong or illegal about Jews owning or even controlling media? The major networks and motion picture companies are American companies, yes? And in this country, Jews can own anything they want and are able to own.

(BTW, I have yet to see one decent biblical argument here in this "scriptural" debate.) < The book of revelation speak of those who cliam to be jew but they're not saying they're Satan children , Keep reading my post I'll give your the Scriptures your looking for . I like Starting at the beginning , This way they can only disagree , And come up with all type of excuses , As they're doing now .

Those who bread one eat are the song they will Sing . The socalled Jubusite ( Euro-Jews / American are in the bed together , Your right .

The Five Books of Moses Revealed In The Year 1512 A.D. B.C.E . 10 ; 16 , States ; And the Jebusite '' desolate , dryness '' son of Shinggarah , who had a confidante wife named Salimat , Amorite '' mountain dweller '' son of Hitarah , who had a confidante wife named Qiynat , and the Girgasite '' rough ones '' son of Hildar , a Horite , who had a confidante wife named Betha .

The title of this post is , Should Muslims acknowledge the Jews sovereignty over Israel? , My post is showing why Muslim Shouldn't acknowledge the Jews sovereignty over Israel . You have few here that trying to change the title/ question of this post . That will leave away from this post .....

I see your Celtic Christian Hummmm Do people here know what Celtic / Christian Are ????

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

Hmmm... The Balfour Declaration is wholly political. Why is it in play in a thread whose OP claims it is not political, but scriptural?

They're those who know , And those who cliam to know , And those who take side's . Because they were taught to think that way to play it safe . Anyway its always good to start at the beginning this way you wong leave anything out .

 

[metis]

Are you jokeing here , Or are your trying find away to attack what is the truth , I don't really get into those website link / U-tbutes because they're control by certain school of though , Meaning having Some people lock into one school of though .

I don't follow any school of though when it come to Religion / History . It call Research are you trying to change the subject or Sabotage this post

I see at the top of your post your cliaming < Religion: Judaism/Buddhism mix , Then you should know what I'm posting is Truth / Facts , Unless your playing both side . Personally I feel those who accept these website link do so to back up their belif's or they to lazyy to research their own Belief/ Though's . Then again maybe your one of those who think only your Teacher Scholar , Theologian , Etc Etc Etc . have knowldge of things . Also another way to Attack one resource which is just another trick . My Source is the Library . If you know what your looking for you can always find the answer , The Truth that is .

Well here's a problem. It's rather obvious you cut & pasted from some source, and yet you won't identify it. Why not? There's a vast difference between why you are quoting versus your own self-generated grammar, the latter of which has quite a few grammatical errors that are missing from that which you clearly are quoting without identifying the source.

So, will you or won't you identify your source and link us to it? What are you hiding? It's rather normal for people here to ask for someone's source, so why don't you do as such?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

<yawn>

For you to complain about side-stepping is crass hypocrisy. Now, again, to whom did Palestine belong in the late 19th and early 20th century?​

</yawn>

I notice no Respond just excuse and more excuse , Trying to change the Script / Subject is an old trick by those who want to keep hideing the facts . My post show why the muslims shouldn't acknowldge Euro-Jew for takeing Pakestine by force . The best is yet to come . Attacking and Insulting one doesn't change the truth . It only show a sign of insecurity of those who are out to cover the truth . Like I said do some real Research . Those link's are control my the power that be .

I am not attacking (nor, for that matter, am I trying to take "Pakestine by force"). I am simple asking a question that you seem curiously unwilling to answer.

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

Well here's a problem. It's rather obvious you cut & pasted from some source, and yet you won't identify it. Why not? There's a vast difference between why you are quoting versus your own self-generated grammar, the latter of which has quite a few grammatical errors that are missing from that which you clearly are quoting without identifying the source.

So, will you or won't you identify your source and link us to it? What are you hiding? It's rather normal for people here to ask for someone's source, so why don't you do as such?

Oh well I can't give you what I Don't have or need !

 

[metis]

Oh well I can't give you what I Don't have or need !

"You can fool some of the people some of the time, but...".

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

I am not attacking (nor, for that matter, am I trying to take "Pakestine by force"). I am simple asking a question that you seem curiously unwilling to answer.

If you took the time and read my two post your would have your answer , It the games you play I understand . Plus yall are trying to Bury my post :yes: I'm not here to tell you what you want to read I'm here to make a point .

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If you took the time and read my two post your would have your answer , ...

My apologies. Which post or posts answers my question?

 

[sojourner]

Those who bread one eat are the song they will Sing . The socalled Jubusite ( Euro-Jews / American are in the bed together , Your right .

The Five Books of Moses Revealed In The Year 1512 A.D. B.C.E . 10 ; 16 , States ; And the Jebusite '' desolate , dryness '' son of Shinggarah , who had a confidante wife named Salimat , Amorite '' mountain dweller '' son of Hitarah , who had a confidante wife named Qiynat , and the Girgasite '' rough ones '' son of Hildar , a Horite , who had a confidante wife named Betha .

The title of this post is , Should Muslims acknowledge the Jews sovereignty over Israel? , My post is showing why Muslim Shouldn't acknowledge the Jews sovereignty over Israel . You have few here that trying to change the title/ question of this post . That will leave away from this post .....

I see your Celtic Christian Hummmm Do people here know what Celtic / Christian Are ????

Your references don't seem cogent to the argument.

What I am (or am not), and what people understand about that isn't germane to the topic.

 

[sojourner]

They're those who know , And those who cliam to know , And those who take side's . Because they were taught to think that way to play it safe . Anyway its always good to start at the beginning this way you wong leave anything out .

So? In what way can a political source be used to effectively prove an argument that purports to be scriptural in nature?

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

So? In what way can a political source be used to effectively prove an argument that purports to be scriptural in nature?

Ask the political source for scriptural in nature !

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

Your references don't seem cogent to the argument.

What I am (or am not), and what people understand about that isn't germane to the topic.

If I were to post what a Celtic / Christian is oboy .