Should Muslims acknowledge the Jews sovereignty over Israel?

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

Musa, why don't you answer the following question, which has been posed to you many times?

It has nothing to with the question being ask duhh , Plus I don't like people who have no knowldge of the question and trying to change my post , To something else . Anyway their question will be answer within my post .

 

[Moishe3rd]

To be truthful I don't have a dog in this fight , Unlike a few here I don't play covering up the truth . And this is what they're doing here , I see Israeli / jews doing Some of the same things they said Hitler did to them , plus Hitler was a jew and a christian

Again, so what?
What is your point?

Not to waste time geting into this backward and forward thing . Nobody here can't tell me if some one was to come and Take / move in their House they wouldn't be fighting to take it back .

Yes, I can tell you that.
There are some places where the natives are still "fighting to take it back" but, most places in the world, the conquered have decently assimilated with their conquerors - from Australia to South Africa to Germany to America to China to Russia... The "natives" are no longer rapaciously murdering their conquerors and trying to "take it back."
Of course, this is not true in most of the Arab and Muslim world where one tribe or faction or clan or sect is continually trying to murder the other tribe or faction or clan or sect, trying to "take back" what was never theirs in the first place.
This particular disease even affects those Arabs called Palestinians.

I have notice something those who keep steping to me with all these silly question , Have not Challenge what I have post so far . to be Un-true . And that speaks Volume's .

What are you interested in having challenged?

 

[Moishe3rd]

Good Moishe. You have re-cast the question into one which is intelligible. Now we actually have something to discuss.

Of course, without even saying, Israel is far ahead of her neighbors, in terms of the development of western ethics, morality, legal development and commerce. This is because combining early Egyptian, Greek and Jewish knowledge, led to the development of current western knowledge in these areas.

In this thread, we have a troll, called MusaaEl Haadi, screaming at us from his perch on top of the bridge. He reminds me of the troll in the Monty Python movie "Life of Brian", if you have seen it.

However, it is more complex than you propose, Moishe. The countries you mention are primative, with huge class differentiation. They have wealthy, powerful, corrupt ruling classes. They are willing to kill their own people to stay in power.

I think the key is to educate the people in these countries. This will be very difficult, but I believe it is the only solution.

I suggest we take back this thread. Let the troll scream from the bridge, and in the meantime we can propose some meaningful solutions. Lets discuss among ourselves.

Any other ideas ?

The countries I mentioned are a hodge podge collection of various tribes; clans; religious sects; and political factions.
The only country that has succeeded thus far in subjugating or eradicating and assimilating the native population is the absolute despotism of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. And, even they are on very thin ice.
The rest of the Arab and Muslim world have been murdering each other without cease, from the time that al Saud actually succeeded in their murderous conquest of the Arabian peninsula.
The only successful "Arab" country might be either Turkey or Kurdistan which, of course, does not exist.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Do you have a problem with the "Euro Jews" conquering the area today called the State of Israel? Or the area commonly called the "West Bank?"
If so - why?
The Israelis have created a viable multicultural; multi-ethnic; multi -religious State; infrastructure; economy; technology; government; and all of the other trappings of civilization - unlike ALL of the their Arab countries that surround them such as Libya; Egypt; Jordan; Syria; Lebanon; Iraq; and the various Arabs called Palestinians.

So the end justifies the means? I suspect that many found solace in the conviction that the British and Americans were more 'civilized' than the indigenous population.

You have posted a non sequitur.
What is "So the end justifies the means?" supposed to mean?
What end? What means?

Learn what the the non sequitur means.

You suggest that MusaaEl-Haadi is being irrational about the "conquering the area today called the State of Israel" [the means] because this act of 'conquering' resulted a superior culture [the ends]. It is an ugly, chauvinist argument.

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

Again, so what?
What is your point?


Yes, I can tell you that.
There are some places where the natives are still "fighting to take it back" but, most places in the world, the conquered have decently assimilated with their conquerors - from Australia to South Africa to Germany to America to China to Russia... The "natives" are no longer rapaciously murdering their conquerors and trying to "take it back."
Of course, this is not true in most of the Arab and Muslim world where one tribe or faction or clan or sect is continually trying to murder the other tribe or faction or clan or sect, trying to "take back" what was never theirs in the first place.
This particular disease even affects those Arabs called Palestinians.



What are you interested in having challenged?

Post # 69 , 88 , 89 , Not to change the subject , First you have to know who the Real muslims are From the door But that another subject .

Question here is ; Should Muslims acknowledge the Jews sovereignty over Israel?
My Answer is No , And I'm explaining why they shouldn't be acknowledge for take something that wasn't their , And Yall lolololololol here are playing tricknowldge lololol

 

[Shermana]

And I'm explaining why they shouldn't be acknowledge for take something that wasn't their

Was it okay for the Arabs to take something that wasn't theirs in 637? Do they attain automatic ownership rights after enough centuries of squatting, even if the previous owners still existed in small numbers?

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

Was it okay for the Arabs to take something that wasn't theirs in 637? Do they attain automatic ownership rights after enough centuries of squatting, even if the previous owners still existed in small numbers?

So your admitting out right that jew took the land by force right ? And that makes it ok . :yes: There are those who feel it ok to take what not their until it happen then , How sick is that !

 

[Avi1001]

The only successful "Arab" country might be either Turkey or Kurdistan which, of course, does not exist.

This is true, but, unfortunatley, Turkey does not seem to exert much of a positive influence over the Arabic countries of the Middle East. It seems that fundamentalist religion is growing there again.

 

[Moishe3rd]

Learn what the the non sequitur means.

You suggest that MusaaEl-Haadi is being irrational about the "conquering the area today called the State of Israel" [the means] because this act of 'conquering' resulted a superior culture [the ends]. It is an ugly, chauvinist argument.

Ah.
Yes.
Thank you for clearing that up.
Yes - Conquest certainly appears justified if a more civilized or, to use your words, a superior culture results from a particular conquest.
In general however, conquest simply exists. When a superior culture results, it would appear natural to ask why you are objecting to an "inferior" (your implication, not mine) culture being replaced by a superior one.

Superior cultures by definition would not be more "ugly" than an inferior culture.
Chauvinistic, yes. Ugly, no.

So?
What is the objection to Jews conquering what is today the State of Israel and Judea and Samaria?
Or - do you object to ALL cultures and countries on planet Earth and desire that ALL peoples should shrink; die off and somehow return to their native origins (which appear to be mainly Africa and Asia)?

 

[Assad91]

Turkey is Arab? Kudistan would be Arab?!

 

[Assad91]

How embarrassing. I thought Turks and Kurds were different thenn Arab

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Yes - Conquest certainly appears justified if a more civilized or, to use your words, a superior culture results from a particular conquest.

i.e., the end justifies the means - a thoroughly racist and repulsive proposition, and one which the Third Reich employed to justify its efforts to rid the world of Jews. You have sunk to abhorrent levels.

 

[Shermana]

i.e., the end justifies the means - a thoroughly racist and repulsive proposition, and one which the Third Reich employed to justify its efforts to rid the world of Jews. You have sunk to abhorrent levels.

Whatever the Nazis used in their propaganda must be bad for all occasions regardless.

The Nazis justified Socialist principles to maximize efficiency to suit their war machine, thus all socialist state-controlled operations can never be a good idea.

The Nazis also justified conquest on the idea of national independence. Therefore, we should all seek our governments to submit to the wills of other countries.

Hitler was a Vegetarian, therefore we should not be vegetarians.

 

[metis]

Hitler was a Vegetarian, therefore we should not be vegetarians.

As a relatively unimportant side-bar, some historians feel that this may have been just a piece of propaganda to try and show that he was a very compassionate person, and of course we all know that he was.

 

[Moishe3rd]

Turkey is Arab? Kudistan would be Arab?!

Sigh....
No, Turkey is not Arab, nor is Kurdistan.
However, both the Turks and the Kurds have ruled the Arab/Muslim world.
The Turks for over 600 years and, of course, the most famous Sultan of all, Ṣalāḥ ad-Dīn Yūsuf ibn Ayyūb, was a Kurd.
Which is why "Arab" was in quotation marks.
Quotation marks in the English speaking world, when used in this fashion, denote that the word being used is not necessarily the correct word to use.

 

[Me Myself]

Yes.

Next question.

 

[Moishe3rd]

i.e., the end justifies the means - a thoroughly racist and repulsive proposition, and one which the Third Reich employed to justify its efforts to rid the world of Jews. You have sunk to abhorrent levels.

You are writing in a peculiar fashion. I am not sure why.
You claimed that the description of Israel I used meant that Israel was a superior culture.
Could you demonstrate how your belief that the State of Israel is a superior culture is either racist or repulsive?
As I do not see you giving this appellation to the Third Reich, why would you believe that the two are comparable?
There is something wrong with your opinion of what is abhorrent.
Perhaps you would like to rephrase your appellation of the State of Israel from a "superior culture" to something else?
Or perhaps you would like to go back to what I actually wrote and explain how you think that a country that has "created a viable multicultural; multi-ethnic; multi -religious State; infrastructure; economy; technology; government; and all of the other trappings of civilization - unlike ALL of the their Arab countries that surround it such as Libya; Egypt; Jordan; Syria; Lebanon; Iraq; and the various Arabs called Palestinians" - is racist; abhorrent; repulsive; and comparable to the Third Reich?

 

[Avi1001]

You are writing in a peculiar fashion. I am not sure why.
You claimed that the description of Israel I used meant that Israel was a superior culture.
Could you demonstrate how your belief that the State of Israel is a superior culture is either racist or repulsive?
As I do not see you giving this appellation to the Third Reich, why would you believe that the two are comparable?
There is something wrong with your opinion of what is abhorrent.
Perhaps you would like to rephrase your appellation of the State of Israel from a "superior culture" to something else?
Or perhaps you would like to go back to what I actually wrote and explain how you think that a country that has "created a viable multicultural; multi-ethnic; multi -religious State; infrastructure; economy; technology; government; and all of the other trappings of civilization - unlike ALL of the their Arab countries that surround it such as Libya; Egypt; Jordan; Syria; Lebanon; Iraq; and the various Arabs called Palestinians" - is racist; abhorrent; repulsive; and comparable to the Third Reich?

You are correct, Moishe. Lets keep the big picture in mind. This thread is colored by a troll who basically accused Israel of stealing land. Lets not get derailed and go off on tangents blaming each other.

 

[Monotheist 101]

I've often wondered how Muslims interpret getting their hineys kicked over and over again when trying to fight against the Jews.

The battles almost over but the war has just begun..

Just because Israel won a few wars against unworthy Arab leaders, who wouldnt have a clue about strategy if it smacked them in their face, does not mean Israel can take on the whole Muslim world..Muslims nukes might not be able to reach the US but Israel is definitely in range..I predict millions more dying on both sides..Islams too big to be wiped out, Jews on the other hand not so much..

Im going through a rap phase again..

I'll die for the prophets and I'll die for the Lord
On the battlefield, wounded badly, holding a sword
With no questions asked, I already know, it's all for the cause
Just lay me facing the East, when I'm under the floor –
-Ghostface Killah – I’ll Die For You

Curse the day of they birth confused/who's to be praised?/The mighty dollar -- or almighty Allah' – Nas

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You are writing in a peculiar fashion. I am not sure why.
You claimed that the description of Israel I used meant that Israel was a superior culture.
Could you demonstrate how your belief that the State of Israel is a superior culture is either racist or repulsive?

I'm sorry, but where did I claim that Israel is a superior culture? What I claimed was ...

• you characterize Israel as a superior culture, and
• you apparently see this as justification for 'conquering' the Cisjordan, and
• this looks, sound, and smells very much like Hitler's justification for seeking to render Europe Judenrein.

It is a shameful and repulsive chauvinism.