Should Muslims acknowledge the Jews sovereignty over Israel?

[Moishe3rd]

I'm sorry, but where did I claim that Israel is a superior culture? What I claimed was ...

• you characterize Israel as a superior culture, and
• you apparently see this as justification for 'conquering' the Cisjordan, and
• this looks, sound, and smells very much like Hitler's justification for seeking to render Europe Judenrein.

It is a shameful and repulsive chauvinism.

I did not characterize Israel as a "superior culture."
Yours is a strawman argument.

 

[Shermana]

The battles almost over but the war has just begun..

Prepare for more whoopin'.

Just because Israel won a few wars against unworthy Arab leaders,

And you think the current and future crop will be more worthy?

who wouldnt have a clue about strategy if it smacked them in their face,

Have you actually read an account of the Battles in any reputable history of Israel? The Arabs put up a very good fight, they weren't completely clueless about tactics. Their main problem was the egos and miscommunication of the politicans.

does not mean Israel can take on the whole Muslim world..

I doubt Israel will ever have to fight the "Whole Muslim world" from Morocco to Pakistan and Indonesia all at once, but even if it did, she has over 400 nukes.

Muslims nukes might not be able to reach the US but Israel is definitely in range..

They're in range of the Arrow anti-Missile system, something the Muslim world is decades away from building.

However, I did have a dream of Israel getting nuked, and Netanyahu was too afraid to fire back, so who knows.

I predict millions more dying on both sides..Islams too big to be wiped out, Jews on the other hand not so much..

400 nukes can go a LONG way. Is it really worth losing 900 million people to kill 6 million? Besides, Israel represents less than half the world Jewish population.

Im going through a rap phase again..

I'll die for the prophets and I'll die for the Lord
On the battlefield, wounded badly, holding a sword
With no questions asked, I already know, it's all for the cause
Just lay me facing the East, when I'm under the floor –
-Ghostface Killah – I’ll Die For You

Now it's my turn. Ahem....

A thousand will run from just one of us
We'll cart you over to Amman in a bus
We'll lay you facing east, just as you ask
Because it's us in the end on Israel's shores who will bask.

Curse the day of they birth confused/who's to be praised?/The mighty dollar -- or almighty Allah' – Nas

[/QUOTE]

Apparently the Mighty dollar seems to be all that most of the Muslim world praises, at least the leadership.

 

[Monotheist 101]

Prepare for more whoopin'.



And you think the current and future crop will be more worthy?



Have you actually read an account of the Battles in any reputable history of Israel? The Arabs put up a very good fight, they weren't completely clueless about tactics. Their main problem was the egos and miscommunication of the politicans.



I doubt Israel will ever have to fight the "Whole Muslim world" from Morocco to Pakistan and Indonesia all at once, but even if it did, she has over 400 nukes.



They're in range of the Arrow anti-Missile system, something the Muslim world is decades away from building.

However, I did have a dream of Israel getting nuked, and Netanyahu was too afraid to fire back, so who knows.



400 nukes can go a LONG way. Is it really worth losing 900 million people to kill 6 million? Besides, Israel represents less than half the world Jewish population.



Now it's my turn. Ahem....

A thousand will run from just one of us
We'll cart you over to Amman in a bus
We'll lay you facing east, just as you ask
Because it's us in the end on Israel's shores who will bask.

Haha nice comeback..

Whats the use of 400 nukes when 10 going off together would F the planet up..? Lol or if one nuke was dropped where Israel stores its 400.. Im anti-war..but without justice there can be no peace. the Israeli occupation is nothing but injustice to the Palestinians whether Muslim or not..

Heres another one.. Apologize for the graphic nature in advance..

I murder you and laugh
I'm Barry Sanders slashin' through the path
You a magician's assistant
I'm sawin' you in half
You a heathen that rely on the beast
I'm a demon at the fire crucifyin' the priest
I shine over beats
A motherf**kin' beast on the mic
I'm a lion out the jungle, raw meat what I like
I bleed in a fight, Vinnie like the taste of his blood
And I'll open up your stomach like the case of a slug
I'm faithful to drugs, puttin' metal plates in your mug
Dump your body in the motherf**kin' lake in a rug
Face in the mud, y'all create the facade
That my people have exterminated faith in they god
Patience is hard, cousin, but it pays to be calm
Go to war for anybody who embraces Islam
I'm gracious and warm, ready for the place in the war
And I'm ready to smash your motherf**kin' face in the floor- Jedi Mind Tricks

 

[Shermana]

Lol or if one nuke was dropped where Israel stores its 400..

They're scattered deep underground, in the desert and underwater. It simply won't happen. Israel will be able to fire off at least 3/4 of them no matter what. And that's not even counting what our strings with Uncle Sam can bring to the radioactive table.

Wow, Jedi Mind Tricks sounds straight up murderous. I'll think of an equally murderous rap in my next response.

I'm a demon at the fire

Got that right at least.

Im anti-war..but without justice there can be no peace. the Israeli occupation is nothing but injustice to the Palestinians whether Muslim or not..

Justice would involve Jordan being the Palestinian State.

 

[Shermana]

Okay here go: Ahem...

We'll melt the skin off your bones,
Dance to music from your groans,
The survivors we'll take care of with our high interest loans,
Dream of murder all you want,
Go ahead and flaunt,
But the fact of the matter, listen to these words, they should haunt
We'll send you straight to hell,
No matter how many we must fell,
You'll be burning and be turning in Ha-Satan's Firy Well,
While you may just quite a few,
You won't kill every Jew,
Cause we got someone up above with who you DON'T want to screw
You should have won each time,
But we beat you so bad, that it's almost a crime,
Your leaders should be arrested,
And these wars have only tested,
That Al-Elah is on our side and not with you!

 

[Monotheist 101]

Israel will be able to fire off at least 3/4 of them no matter what. And that's not even counting what our strings with Uncle Sam can bring to the radioactive table..

It's a Suicide if you feel we soft
We the truth inside, if you feel you lost
And the truth don't lie, cause we still the boss
We gonna ride 'til the wheels fall off
It's a..."Suicide is a Suicide"- Vinnie Paz

Wow, Jedi Mind Tricks sounds straight up murderous. I'll think of an equally murderous rap in my next response.

Lol yeah no wonder their underground, I dont agree with their P.O.V completely but the lyrics are unreal, vocabulary is way different to anything Ive heard before.

Okay here go: Ahem...

We'll melt the skin off your bones,
Dance to music from your groans,
The survivors we'll take care of with our high interest loans,
Dream of murder all you want,
Go ahead and flaunt,
But the fact of the matter, listen to these words, they should haunt
We'll send you straight to hell,
No matter how many we must fell,
You'll be burning and be turning in Ha-Satan's Firy Well,
While you may just quite a few,
You won't kill every Jew,
Cause we got someone up above with who you DON'T want to screw
You should have won each time,
But we beat you so bad, that it's almost a crime,
Your leaders should be arrested,
And these wars have only tested,
That Al-Elah is on our side and not with you!

Oh sense your having a rap battle with Vinnie, Ill post some more of his lyrics

I'll put my fist into the ground, that's where the earth is cracked
Love is gone inside my heart, now it's a purplish black
You a clown rapper, just a circus act
But Vinnie rap like when fifty f**kin' Kurds attack

You never see a pig around me like a Jewish feast
And every single f**kin' member in my crew a beast
But y'all should know by now the type of ***** I'm on
Like, does the New Testament contradict the Qu'ran?
Does every Muslim in the world come equipped with a bomb?
Does every rap video have a chick in a thong?

And the man is the offspring of the weak
Like the lamb is the offspring of the sheep

-Vinnie Paz

 

[Monotheist 101]

Justice would involve Jordan being the Palestinian State.

No Justice would never involve people having to leave their homes, for no apparent reason or due to no fault of their own..

I agree that Jews have had it bad, more recently with Hitlers regime etc..but two wrongs dont make a right..

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Through a thought
delusion bought
a wretching destruction
of secular construction
disparity of reality
replaced with brutality
Ain't no way it can ever be fair
You all make us live in your own nightmare
what the hell? Your sleepwalking!
you move mountains when you talking!
when you live in the shadow of a dream
when the children hurt do you even hear the scream?

The pain sorrow and sadness
forced to live in this madness
Rip the veil from your mind
so deluded so blind
I look at the news and ask what the hell I just read
These people killing for something in their head
Its just a movment
but no improvement
on the way we've been livin'
after all the blood not a single **** given
for the concequence
of the sequence
of events of the past and those to come
They just want to beat the war drum

Clash of blood, spite and pain
intolerance and biogotry remain
Why is it like this?
why do they dismiss
the points of reason
act like logic is some treason.
They all say its okay its for love
that their actions are justified above
But what kind of god allows this kind of ****?
If thats the case then **** it I quit.

And now I ask you for the millionth time once more
take on some reason or here's the door

 

[Shermana]

No Justice would never involve people having to leave their homes, for no apparent reason or due to no fault of their own..

I agree that Jews have had it bad, more recently with Hitlers regime etc..but two wrongs dont make a right..

How about if they get residency status with right to freely vote on local matters within defined districts and city-states, but under a constitution that guarantees it as a Confederation as a Jewish State with certain things hammered into that can't be changed like "No kicking the Jews out".

 

[Monotheist 101]

And now I ask you for the millionth time once more
take on some reason or here's the door

Its the law of the jungle, the strong prey on the weak..
It has very little to do with religion, or the God I seek..
They say God's the reason and blow it out of proportion..
An argument that stinks like a f**cking abortion..
It's an eye for an eye, its as simple as that..
I'm not going to run away and cry, like a f**cking ***** cat..

 

[Monotheist 101]

How about if they get residency status with right to freely vote on local matters within defined districts and city-states, but under a constitution that guarantees it as a Confederation as a Jewish State with certain things hammered into that can't be changed like "No kicking the Jews out".

We never sold our country, the occupation has written our destiny
Which is, that the whole world till today is treating us as Israelis
And Israel till tomorrow will treat us as Palestinians; I'm a stranger in my own country
-DAM (a Palestinian based hip hop crew.) originals in arabic..sounds funny..

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Its the law of the jungle, the strong pray on the weak..
It has very little to do with religion, or the God I seek..
They say God's the reason and blow it out of proportion..
An argument that stinks like a f**cking abortion..
It's an eye for an eye, its as simple as that..
I'm not going to run away and cry, like a f**cking ***** cat..

Its sad to see someone beat on their chest
like a ******* contest will see who's best
Violence is for the weak not the strong
Do you want peace or do you think it wrong?
Its an ego
here we go
again and again

You wanna fight since the thought's inception
the real enemy is starting at you in your reflection
It doesn't matter if its god or not
Death is what there is because its what you sought
Its a merciless inflation
of societal degregation
the idea of it all is disgusting at best
put your guns down and give it a rest

 

[Shermana]

We never sold our country, the occupation has written our destiny
Which is, that the whole world till today is treating us as Israelis
And Israel till tomorrow will treat us as Palestinians; I'm a stranger in my own country
-DAM (a Palestinian based hip hop crew.) originals in arabic..sounds funny..

Borders change, times change, flags change, and countries change.

The only way the Palestinians are going to get a country of "Palestine" on Israeli borders is if they fight for it. That's what it boils down to.

They can either take a peaceful deal of Residency within a Confederation where everyone wins, or you can take your chances on the battlefield and get the same result as last time, every time. Take your pick.


Yo It's Israel now,
We only reap what we sow,
And it ain't gonna change no matter why or how
But if you wanna take a shot,
And you feel your luck is hot,
You can try another war,
But your butt will be quite sore,
Cause the kicking you will get
You will not soon forget,
So your pride you should swallow,
Cause our promise isn't hollow,
Unlike yours, where your "peace" is just some time to get prepared,
On this land that should be shared,
But you just want it for your own,
And to us this is well known,
So take the residency and we'll grant you some clemency
And you'll live with peace and honor on the land
And we'll go back to make it bloom where there's just sand.

 

[Shermana]

Its the law of the jungle, the strong pray on the weak..
It has very little to do with religion, or the God I seek..
They say God's the reason and blow it out of proportion..
An argument that stinks like a f**cking abortion..
It's an eye for an eye, its as simple as that..
I'm not going to run away and cry, like a f**cking ***** cat..

Yeah the Strong pray on the weak, glad to see you agree
You should factor that and realize why the Jews won militarily
So stop whining and complaining, you want more artillery raining?
We'll outdo on the field and our power ain't waning
You want eye for an eye? Well get to your battle stations
We'd eliminate this weakness if it weren't for the rest of the nations
Just admit you'd be gone, and you're being used as a pawn,
But we'll be kind and offer peace, and we'll have a new dawn.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I did not characterize Israel as a "superior culture."

In fact, what you said was ...

Do you have a problem with the "Euro Jews" conquering the area today called the State of Israel? Or the area commonly called the "West Bank?"
If so - why?
The Israelis have created a viable multicultural; multi-ethnic; multi -religious State; infrastructure; economy; technology; government; and all of the other trappings of civilization - unlike ALL of the their Arab countries that surround them such as Libya; Egypt; Jordan; Syria; Lebanon; Iraq; and the various Arabs called Palestinians.

Would you wish that the Israeli State was more like their neighbors - despotic; murderous; underdeveloped;and bankrupt?
Why?

Yours is a strawman argument.

No, yours is a chauvinist one.

 

[Avi1001]

Do you have a problem with the "Euro Jews" conquering the area today called the State of Israel?

Instead of "conquering", a better phrase is "taking back". And I do not think Israel wants the West Bank.

The rest of what you say is true.

 

[Chalant]

I think israel will be a better place if the constant war ends. Both israel and the muslim countries must end the pointless war. Yea, muslims should acknowledge Israel.

 

[Moishe3rd]

In fact, what you said was ...

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No, yours is a chauvinist one.

Indeed. It is a very chauvinistic point of view.
You appear to have a problem with that that compels you to label it "superior" and "ugly."
I disagree.
Gezunt heit. You should live and be well.

 

[Moishe3rd]

Instead of "conquering", a better phrase is "taking back". And I do not think Israel wants the West Bank.

The rest of what you say is true.

Except that "taking back" Israel is purely a religious point of view. Of which I heartily approve.
However, in terms of the ordinary history of the world, every single country and peoples, without exception, has been conquered and taken over by another country or peoples.
This is particularly true of the Land of Israel, a crossroads for conquests.
I fail to see why anyone with any knowledge of history would be more unhappy with Israel's conquests than with any other nation or people's in this world - particularly in the Middle East and North Africa where ALL of the nations were established by barbarous and murderous conquests resulting in unstable; dictatorial; unjust governments that subjugate their citizens in brutal repression.
I have never understood the desire to treat Israel with more contempt or opprobrium than any other country...
Unless, of course, it has something to do with it being a Jewish State....
Naw... That couldn't have anything to do with anything....

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Except that "taking back" Israel is purely a religious point of view. Of which I heartily approve.
However, in terms of the ordinary history of the world, every single country and peoples, without exception, has been conquered and taken over by another country or peoples.
This is particularly true of the Land of Israel, a crossroads for conquests.
I fail to see why anyone with any knowledge of history would be more unhappy with Israel's conquests than with any other nation or people's in this world - particularly in the Middle East and North Africa where ALL of the nations were established by barbarous and murderous conquests resulting in unstable; dictatorial; unjust governments that subjugate their citizens in brutal repression.
I have never understood the desire to treat Israel with more contempt or opprobrium than any other country...
Unless, of course, it has something to do with it being a Jewish State....
Naw... That couldn't have anything to do with anything....

Probably cause now a days that kinda stuff (conquests) ain't cool....