Should the oneness of humanity be taught in all schools worldwide

[loverofhumanity]

There is at least 10% (and perhaps up to 20%) of the world who don't accept the assumptions of gods, the supernatural or magic. How do you intend to deal with those of us who consider god/supernatural/magic thinking to be not only false, but deceptive and toxic?

Nothing. You are fellow equal human beings. You have every right to believe or disbelieve. That is not our business. Onenesss of humanity means to treat with love and respect all people believers or not so it’s inconsequential you disbelieve in God or such. You are a fellow human that’s all that matters.

 

[ppp]

Nothing. You are fellow equal human beings. You have every right to believe or disbelieve. That is not our business. Onenesss of humanity means to treat with love and respect all people believers or not so it’s inconsequential you disbelieve in God or such. You are a fellow human that’s all that matters.

What does that mean practically? Not just nice words. But practically? Would you (personally) fight against any religion's involvement in, or influence over government policy in the entire world? Would you personally and actively oppose Baha'i involvement or influence in and over laws, edicts, traditions., and policies?

 

[loverofhumanity]

None of this is factual. As a believer you can believe it, but you can't use it as the basis of an argument because it isn't factual.

Since this thread is about teaching children truth you need to show the forum that what you claim is true.

Well I believe that teaching children that all humanity is one family and not to discriminate or hold prejudices against anyone will have a good effect on them. If you compare with organisations like Hamas who teach to hate and to kill and rape Jews you can see the results of that type of education. It’s a cause of war. And the media of all countries demonises other countries, races and religions. So we white people are the goodies and saints? How can there be peace without belief in our common humanity? There is good in all but it’s not taught in schools. The oneness of humanity teaches we are firstly all humans and to put our humanity first.

 

[ppp]

Well I believe that teaching children that all humanity is one family and not to discriminate or hold prejudices against anyone will have a good effect on them. If you compare with organisations like Hamas who teach to hate and to kill and rape Jews you can see the results of that type of education. It’s a cause of war. And the media of all countries demonises other countries, races and religions. So we white people are the goodies and saints? How can there be peace without belief in our common humanity? There is good in all but it’s not taught in schools. The oneness of humanity teaches we are firstly all humans and to put our humanity first.

You try to use (and I mean use) Hamas and Israel to obscure Baha'i prejudices against gays and trans folk.

 

[loverofhumanity]

What does that mean practically? Not just nice words. But practically? Would you (personally) fight against any religion's involvement in, or influence over government policy in the entire world? Would you personally and actively oppose Baha'i involvement or influence in and over laws, edicts, traditions., and policies?

We have consultative ngo status with the UN and UNESCO and most governments and share public discourse with governments on matters of concern to the community. We date back to the League of Nations. Many ideals such as the oneness of humanity have been promoted by the UN in such things as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights etc

Contributing to an Ever-Advancing Civilization: The Baha'i International Community and the United Nations

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[loverofhumanity]

You try to use (and I mean use) Hamas and Israel to obscure Baha'i prejudices against gays and trans folk.

Not at all. I was first taught about the Baha’i Faith by gay Baha’is. They are human beings like anyone of us.

 

[ppp]

We have

I didnt ask about "we". I asked about you. Personally. --> Would you (personally) fight against any religion's involvement in, or influence over government policy in the entire world? Would you personally and actively oppose Baha'i involvement or influence in and over laws, edicts, traditions., and policies?

Don't try to speak about an organization. Speak for yourself.

 

[ppp]

Not at all. I was first taught about the Baha’i Faith by gay Baha’is. They are human beings like anyone of us.

Yes, at all. You are "taught" by people who adhere to the Baha'i attitudes towards gays. Do you understand that Baha'i gays do not speak for anyone but those who buy into Baha'i prejudices? The oneness of humanity includes the gays who find the Baha'i attitude towards gays to be morally despicable. Do you accept the legitimacy of that perspective?

I am betting that you cannot provide a direct response to that question. That your answer will be politically crafted.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I didnt ask about "we". I asked about you. Personally. --> Would you (personally) fight against any religion's involvement in, or influence over government policy in the entire world? Would you personally and actively oppose Baha'i involvement or influence in and over laws, edicts, traditions., and policies?

Don't try to speak about an organization. Speak for yourself.

I don’t get involved in politics because it’s forbidden by Baha’i law and it’s divisive. So that would be a no and Baha’i involvement or influence? I’m not sure what you’re referring to specifically but no I would definitely not oppose.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Yes, at all. You are "taught" by people who adhere to the Baha'i attitudes towards gays. Do you understand that Baha'i gays do not speak for anyone but those who buy into Baha'i prejudices? The oneness of humanity includes the gays who find the Baha'i attitude towards gays to be morally despicable. Do you accept the legitimacy of that perspective?

I am betting that you cannot provide a direct response to that question. That your answer will be politically crafted.

Just because a religion doesn’t endorse homosexuality doesn’t mean we discriminate against gays. Just because a Muslim or Jew doesn’t accept the Baha’i faith does not mean they discriminate against Baha’is, you are claiming that lack of endorsement is discriminatory which is patently false and you know it. That you dont endorse my religion are you despicable or prejudiced? No of course not. You have freedom of belief and I respect that but you seem to be bullying us Baha’is for endorsement, in other words trying to shame and coerce us publicly for not endorsing your beliefs. That IS despicable. You’re free to follow your gay lobby just as we are free to believe what we will and neither has any right to bully or shame the other publicly for not endorsing their views. That is what the oneness of humanity is all about.

 

[F1fan]

Well I believe that teaching children that all humanity is one family and not to discriminate or hold prejudices against anyone will have a good effect on them.

Well then I guess you can't be a Baha'i since they are prejudiced against gays. And Humanism is what you must mean to teach children because they aren't prejudiced against anyone, and they don't push any religion.

If you compare with organisations like Hamas who teach to hate and to kill and rape Jews you can see the results of that type of education.

Anyone looks better than immoral extremists. Is that who you need to compare yourself with to look good?

It’s a cause of war. And the media of all countries demonises other countries, races and religions.

Baha'i offers what solution? "Be nice everyone." Why didn't anyone think of that sooner?

So we white people are the goodies and saints? How can there be peace without belief in our common humanity? There is good in all but it’s not taught in schools. The oneness of humanity teaches we are firstly all humans and to put our humanity first.

You say this like you Baha'i are the only ones who understand this. You're not. What makes Baha'i irrelevant is that you think you have a unique attitude and are special, but aren't because you have no way to actually convince those who aren't peaceful. And Baha'i are bigots, so that's a huge liability.

 

[ppp]

I don’t get involved in politics because it’s forbidden by Baha’i law and it’s divisive.

Then what good are you? Or the Baha'i?

People are helped or harmed by policy. Laws, edicts, traditions., and policies. You refuse to provide practical help to real people in the course of their lives. Because it might be "divisive"? What good are you to them? What good are the Baha'i? At all?

The abolitionists were Frederick Douglass, Sojourner Truth, and Harriet Tubman; the Grimke Sisters, The Quakers and the Methodists. John Brown. The editors of the liberators.

Had it been up to the Baha'i, and similar people who refuse to get involved in politics because being "divisive" is worse than slavery, my family would still be enslaved.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Another extremely important point about the oneness of humanity. Not to force our beliefs on others. I come across this too often where one group wants to discredit another group for not accepting its viewpoint. This is the problem the world has. USA wants to force democracy on other nations while China another system and Christians seek a Christian world while Muslims are prepared to go to a third war in order to establish an Islamic Republic of the world. Where is putting humanity first? We can have a world based on our common humanity but not any one system. In a system based on oneness we all must accept each other not try and change each other by force, violence or coercion.

 

[CG Didymus]

Nothing. You are fellow equal human beings. You have every right to believe or disbelieve. That is not our business. Onenesss of humanity means to treat with love and respect all people believers or not so it’s inconsequential you disbelieve in God or such. You are a fellow human that’s all that matters.

But we all know that some people that believe in Baha'u'llah are not equal. They have been ex-communicated from the Baha'i Faith for breaking a covenant. There are some of us here that don't even believe in Baha'u'llah. But you're okay with that? You're going to treat us with love and respect but not them? Hmmm, okay thanks.

 

[CG Didymus]

Then what good are you? Or the Baha'i?

People are helped or harmed by policy. Laws, edicts, traditions., and policies. You refuse to provide practical help to real people in the course of their lives. Because it might be "divisive"? What good are you to them? What good are the Baha'i? At all?

The abolitionists were Frederick Douglass, Sojourner Truth, and Harriet Tubman; the Grimke Sisters, The Quakers and the Methodists. John Brown. The editors of the liberators.

Had it been up to the Baha'i, and similar people who refuse to get involved in politics because being "divisive" is worse than slavery, my family would still be enslaved.

I thought it was partisan politics. They still vote. And how are they going to vote on issues involving gay rights?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Well then I guess you can't be a Baha'i since they are prejudiced against gays. And Humanism is what you must mean to teach children because they aren't prejudiced against anyone, and they don't push any religion.

Anyone looks better than immoral extremists. Is that who you need to compare yourself with to look good?

Baha'i offers what solution? "Be nice everyone." Why didn't anyone think of that sooner?

You say this like you Baha'i are the only ones who understand this. You're not. What makes Baha'i irrelevant is that you think you have a unique attitude and are special, but aren't because you have no way to actually convince those who aren't peaceful. And Baha'i are bigots, so that's a huge liability.

It’s not a matter of convincing it’s a matter of reality. We have a united world community comprised of a cross section of the human race which gets along. Your world is daily descending into conflicts and war. Likely a third one. Go figure why you guys can’t get your act together but Baha’is can and have and what’s more we have been functioning under world governance something the thought of which terrifies you guys. So I wouldn't be gloating if I were you especially with all your wars breaking out. The oneness of humanity which is not the foundation of your order nor being taught shows that people are growing up despising one another’s race, religion or nationality. For you guys to have a peaceful world you need proper education that we are all equal fellow human beings but until then your wars will just get worse as prejudices control the world.

 

[ppp]

Just because a religion doesn’t endorse homosexuality doesn’t mean we discriminate against gays. J

You do discriminate against gays, @loverofhumanity. The Baha'i position is that gays should not be afforded marriage quality. Shogi literally called being gay a "handicap" And you have personally taken umbrage at any energy or effort taken to support marriage equality. You simply try to craft sentences to hide that fact.

I find your beliefs to be less than ideal, @loverofhumanity . But I am willing to support your access to the protections and institutions of this society, assuming that you are willing to support equal access of rights (including marriage) for others who do the same. An unwillingness to provide such mutual tolerance and protection, excludes you from receiving those privileges.

"[Tolerance] is an agreement to live in peace, not an agreement to be peaceful no matter the conduct of others. A peace treaty is not a suicide pact."

 

[loverofhumanity]

I thought it was partisan politics. They still vote. And how are they going to vote on issues involving gay rights?

We don’t add fuel to divisive issues. We are building a world civilisation as this one collapses. Putting a bandaid on it won’t help as it is cancerous with division and prejudices. A new world needs to be built upon universal human rights and the oneness of humanity and that’s what we’re doing.

 

[ppp]

I thought it was partisan politics. They still vote. And how are they going to vote on issues involving gay rights?

Simple. The politics thing is a sham.

 

[CG Didymus]

Another extremely important point about the oneness of humanity. Not to force our beliefs on others. I come across this too often where one group wants to discredit another group for not accepting its viewpoint. This is the problem the world has. USA wants to force democracy on other nations while China another system and Christians seek a Christian world while Muslims are prepared to go to a third war in order to establish an Islamic Republic of the world. Where is putting humanity first? We can have a world based on our common humanity but not any one system. In a system based on oneness we all must accept each other not try and change each other by force, violence or coercion.

So, you'd teach that democracy and socialist and communist ways of governing are all wrong. Christians seek a Christian world. Muslims a Muslim world. But Baha'is only want what is best for humanity? Which is? Let me guess. What the Baha'i Faith teaches?

And don't say, "No, no." Most of us here already know that the Baha'i Faith believes it has all the answers to fix the world.