Should we fear Islam?

[Autodidact]

MOHAMMED(pbuh) is our prophet hez shoe is cleaner than any one walking this earth surface weather you like or not what ever he did its the right thing no matter what you think and no matter what your media teaches you HE is the most noble man known to humanity.

you people aren't even qualified to talk about him (non-Muslims)

So let me get this, aymen: raping a little girl is good and moral? Is that what you're advocating here?

 

[Autodidact]

[SIZE=+1]Prophet Muhammad - The Most Influential Man in History[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]from the book by Michael Hart[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The following is from Michael Hart's book and lists Prophet Muhammad as the most influential man in History. A Citadel Press Book, published by Carol Publishing Group[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ranking of the twenty from the list of 100:[/SIZE]

1. [SIZE=-1]Prophet Muhammad[/SIZE]
2. [SIZE=-1]Isaac Newton[/SIZE]
3. [SIZE=-1]Jesus Christ[/SIZE]
4. [SIZE=-1]Buddha[/SIZE]
5. [SIZE=-1]Confucius[/SIZE]
6. [SIZE=-1]St. Paul[/SIZE]
7. [SIZE=-1]Ts'ai Lun[/SIZE]
8. [SIZE=-1]Johann Gutenberg[/SIZE]
9. [SIZE=-1]Christopher Columbus[/SIZE]
10. [SIZE=-1]Albert Einstein[/SIZE]
11. [SIZE=-1]Karl Marx[/SIZE]
12. [SIZE=-1]Louis Pasteur[/SIZE]
13. [SIZE=-1]Galileo Galilei[/SIZE]
14. [SIZE=-1]Aristotle[/SIZE]
15. [SIZE=-1]Lenin[/SIZE]
16. [SIZE=-1]Moses[/SIZE]
17. [SIZE=-1]Charles Darwin[/SIZE]
18. [SIZE=-1]Shih Huang Ti[/SIZE]
19. [SIZE=-1]Augustus Caesar[/SIZE]
20. [SIZE=-1]Mao Tse-tung[/SIZE]

go here to read more
Prophet Muhammad as the most influential man in History

ignorance, ignorance go away.

That makes it even worse. He's the most influential man in history, and what he teaches us is to rape children? That's horrible.

 

[Gharib]

So let me get this, aymen: raping a little girl is good and moral? Is that what you're advocating here?

please stop with these rape accusations, i will begin to report your posts, if you continue to deliberately insult us and change our words.

 

[Autodidact]

please stop with these rape accusations, i will begin to report your posts, if you continue to deliberately insult us and change our words.

Feel free.

So now you're arguing that sexual intercourse with a 9-year old girl is NOT rape? Is THAT your position?

Do you have any children?

 

[Autodidact]

Every once in a while I get into a discussion at RF that is too upsetting for me, and this is one of them. As a mother, this whole conversation about why raping a little girl is justified is too emotional and upsetting. I'm going away now. Bye.

 

[Gharib]

That makes it even worse. He's the most influential man in history, and what he teaches us is to rape children? That's horrible.

than you autodidact, you even seem to call learned men stupid. it is dificult to even accept a word you are saying when you even go against the word of learned non-muslims themself. thank you, thats what i wanted to hear from you.

but please do go on, your on a roll.

 

[.lava]

Every once in a while I get into a discussion at RF that is too upsetting for me, and this is one of them. As a mother, this whole conversation about why raping a little girl is justified is too emotional and upsetting. I'm going away now. Bye.

bye..

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/57490-muhammed-under-age-sex.html

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru.../40835-quran-says-muhammad-had-sex-9year.html

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/9942-ayeshas-age-marriage.html

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/islam-dir/21022-amazing-potential-muslim-women.html

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/islam-dir/35407-muhammad-ayesha.html

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/islam-dir/49875-muhammad-pedophile.html

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/28736-women-islam.html

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[England my lionheart]

There are many things to consider here,first the fact that Muhammed married a Child and consumated that marriage,the counter argument to that of course is that it was the tradition of that time,indeed people in Europe of that time married for political reasons at a young age or people married at a young age because of life expectancy being short so early history of Child marriage isn't surprising but is irrelevant to the Marriage to Aisha.

What makes the marriage of Muhammed and Aisha relevant today is simple,Muhammed is considered as a Prophet and messenger of God and his path is the desired path of Muslims today although many Muslims would find as i do that Child marriage is pretty discusting for many revivalists like the Wahabi sect or the Muslim Brotherhood would not.

This is where it has a revelence today,if i were a revivalist Muslim that wants to turn back the clock to 1400 years ago and i wanted to marry a Child the ahadith is my precedent,Saudi Arabia is a revivalist Country and Child marriage was ok,i think it still is but there has been pressure on the Saudi's to stop it,for something so completely wrong and disgusting as Child marriage or what many of us would consider Paedophillia to be acceptable in any society then that is one sick society and proof that turning back the clock and practising a religion as it was 1400 years ago as in Sharia Law,Child marriage,killing Apostates,Killing Adulterers,amputations just does'nt work.

 

[kai]

RIYADH // A member of Saudi Arabia’s highest religious body has said that Prophet Mohammed’s marriage to a nine-year-old girl does not justify marrying minor children today because circumstances have changed in the intervening 14 centuries.






The practice has been sanctioned by some religious authorities, including Sheikh Abdul Aziz al Sheikh, the kingdom’s Grand Mufti.





Saudi sheikh says child marriages are no longer justifiable - The National Newspaper

Suhaila Zain Al-Abdeen, a member of the National Human Rights Society, said they have launched a campaign for a legislation to regulate that.

"The campaign is calling on the authorities to issue a new law that prohibits child marriages and sets the minimum age of marriage for girls at 18," she said.

There are no laws in Saudi Arabia defining the minimum age for marriage.

She insists that such unions are harmful to the children and are trivializing the institution of marriage.

Dr. al-Nafees opposes the argument that girls can be married off at the age of puberty.

"Reaching puberty is not enough to make marriage acceptable.

"A girl must reach the age of reason before being considered an adult that can get married."

The Shari`ah professor sees no problem with setting a minimum age for marriage.

"Specifying the age of marriage is permissible under Shari`ah," he maintains.

"The age for girls to be married should be kept at 18, no less. This is in accordance with the Hanafi school of thought."


http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...Zone-English-News/NWELayout&cid=1219723059120

 

[sonofskeptish]

anyone going to respond to this? anyone know the point i'm making? Autodidact obviously doesn't understand it so i'm counting on the rest of you guys (non-muslims that is).

IMO several posters have made the point that they view child molestation as a crime in ANY time period. You can keep trying to justify pedophilia, but civilized people will continue to view it as such, especially when it's performed by a prophet who modern so-called muslim followers look to for moral giudance. It's like looking to Caligula for moral guidance and claiming things were just different back then.

 

[sonofskeptish]

Yup, things were different back then, but little girls and little boys were still little girls and little boys...

 

[sonofskeptish]

[SIZE=+1]Prophet Muhammad - The Most Influential Man in History[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]from the book by Michael Hart[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The following is from Michael Hart's book and lists Prophet Muhammad as the most influential man in History. A Citadel Press Book, published by Carol Publishing Group[/SIZE]





[SIZE=-1]Ranking of the twenty from the list of 100:[/SIZE]

1. [SIZE=-1]Prophet Muhammad[/SIZE]
2. [SIZE=-1]Isaac Newton[/SIZE]
3. [SIZE=-1]Jesus Christ[/SIZE]
4. [SIZE=-1]Buddha[/SIZE]
5. [SIZE=-1]Confucius[/SIZE]
6. [SIZE=-1]St. Paul[/SIZE]
7. [SIZE=-1]Ts'ai Lun[/SIZE]
8. [SIZE=-1]Johann Gutenberg[/SIZE]
9. [SIZE=-1]Christopher Columbus[/SIZE]
10. [SIZE=-1]Albert Einstein[/SIZE]
11. [SIZE=-1]Karl Marx[/SIZE]
12. [SIZE=-1]Louis Pasteur[/SIZE]
13. [SIZE=-1]Galileo Galilei[/SIZE]
14. [SIZE=-1]Aristotle[/SIZE]
15. [SIZE=-1]Lenin[/SIZE]
16. [SIZE=-1]Moses[/SIZE]
17. [SIZE=-1]Charles Darwin[/SIZE]
18. [SIZE=-1]Shih Huang Ti[/SIZE]
19. [SIZE=-1]Augustus Caesar[/SIZE]
20. [SIZE=-1]Mao Tse-tung[/SIZE]

go here to read more
Prophet Muhammad as the most influential man in History

ignorance, ignorance go away.

If you found out another one of the men on this list was a pedophile and had sex with a 9-year-old girl, would you try to justify his actions too? And where is Hitler on the list, he was a pretty influential guy? The list is irrelevant to the discussion at hand... which is whether raping a little girl is an acceptable practice for a prophet of god.

 

[challupa]

Esalem and lava. You know I respect you both, but I have to add my name to the list of those who feel consummating a marriage with a 9 year old girl is clearly not right. I recognize that these things did happen "back then", but for a prophet to do something that is "wrong", well, he should have known better. After all, he was getting instruction from Allah. Wouldn't Allah have told him that this was not right and to be an example to the ones he was trying to lead, being a prophet? He could have changed that practice and made sure no one in his religion EVER would practice this again. But he didn't. Now people in the religion will think it is okay because the very prophet of the religion did it, so therefore, it is allowed now. I must disagree with this practice.

 

[McBell]

he was a Prophet of God and he would not do anything to hurt and he would not damage any human being emotionally. he would only do what's right and proper. simply because he was a Prophet of God. you may not believe it but i do.

If that is how you justify his his having sex with a nine year old, then so be it.
Seems to me that there are several in this thread who are not quite so forgiving of it.

MOHAMMED(pbuh) is our prophet hez shoe is cleaner than any one walking this earth surface weather you like or not what ever he did its the right thing no matter what you think and no matter what your media teaches you HE is the most noble man known to humanity.

you people aren't even qualified to talk about him (non-Muslims)

If that is what you have to tell yourself to justify your prophet having sex with a nine year old, then more power to you.
Just stop expecting the rest of us to lower our standards to meet yours.

ignorance, ignorance go away.

Ironic that you would start this chant.

 

[McBell]

anyone going to respond to this? anyone know the point i'm making? Autodidact obviously doesn't understand it so i'm counting on the rest of you guys (non-muslims that is).

Seems to me that it is yet another poor attempt at diverting the topic away from Mohammad's pedophilia.

Wait...
I can see how it is a poor attempt at excusing Mohammad's pedophilia.

Guess I will have to wait and see which it actually is.
You were planning to clue us in, right?

 

[Autodidact]

one day you will regret every word you say about our Prophet PBUH
that i promise you

So your best argument is a threat? Think really hard; if I don't believe in your God, how effective do you think this thread will be?

Oh, so if we don't let your prophet get away with this crime he'll hurt us? But wouldn't that just be another crime?

The horrible information about your so-called prophet came from the Muslims in this thread, not the non-Muslims.

Oh, I see, you expect us to accept violating a defenseless little child? No thanks, I have some moral standards.

 

[aymen amir]

So your best argument is a threat? Think really hard; if I don't believe in your God, how effective do you think this thread will be?

Oh, so if we don't let your prophet get away with this crime he'll hurt us? But wouldn't that just be another crime?

The horrible information about your so-called prophet came from the Muslims in this thread, not the non-Muslims.

Oh, I see, you expect us to accept violating a defenseless little child? No thanks, I have some moral standards.

understand from this statement what ever you want to understand i couldn't care less ... and I thought you said bye in your last post...... BTW were did you get those moral standards from your ape grandfather????

 

[Autodidact]

understand from this statement what ever you want to understand i couldn't care less ... and I thought you said bye in your last post......

I came back. If you're not interested in talking with me, use the ignore feature, don't just post insults.

BTW were did you get those moral standards from your ape grandfather????

I'm sorry, I don't know what you're referring to.

So in your view is sex with children morally permissible?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

one day you will regret every word you say about our Prophet PBUH
that i promise you

I regret nothing...

 

[aymen amir]

I came back. If you're not interested in talking with me, use the ignore feature, don't just post insults. I'm sorry, I don't know what you're referring to.

So in your view is sex with children morally permissible?

I would use the Ignore feature ,but i would feel guilty for leaving a fellow human in the darkness .. i have a QUESTION for you why are you asking about what OUR prophet did ??