Slavery (Women) and Islam

[Sumit]

To free a slave is a good deed in Islam and the result is no slaves in the muslim countries and i compared India as recorded to be the highest and the most worst among countries regarding slavery just to show you how Islam had good results in eliminating slavery.

The Noble Qur'ân Al-Baqarah 2:177

It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces to the East and the West; but righteous is he who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Scripture and the prophets; and giveth wealth, for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor-due. And those who keep their treaty when they make one, and the patient in tribulation and adversity and time of stress. Such are they who are sincere. Such are the Allah-fearing. (2:177)

The Noble Qur'ân Al-Balad 90:11-18

But he hath not attempted the Ascent - (90:11)

Ah, what will convey unto thee what the Ascent is! - (90:12)

(It is) to free a slave, (90:13)

And to feed in the day of hunger. (90:14)

An orphan near of kin, (90:15)

Or some poor wretch in misery, (90:16)

And to be of those who believe and exhort one another to perseverance and exhort one another to pity. (90:17)

Their place will be on the right hand. (90:18)

Dear Feargod, there is a root behind every action. How can you free slaves if their is no slavery?? You can only free slaves if slavery exists. For more such Quranic verses...

O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful. (Quran 33/50)

Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed (Quran 23/6)

This surah is again repeated in Al-Maarij verse 30.
So if their no slavery in Quran or Islam than why Allah didn't prohibited slavery in Quran as Allah did against Idol worshiping??

Your propaganda against Islam about slavery is an absurd one.

Because it's against Quran??

if you think that you're doing a good job by debunking the words of god,then good luck with your efforts.

Words of Allah.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Slavery undeniably existed and was not shunned by Muhammad. These were the laws of the land at that time and disacknowledging this or stating it is not permissible is not an accurate assumption if ignorant of the Qur'an and Sahih al-Bukhari kitab. But if you are not ignorant of this then I fail to understand how slavery can be denied in existence or any form at that era.

 

[Monotheist 101]

Tu quoque (Latin for "you, too" or "you, also") or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This dismisses someone's point of view based on criticism of the person's inconsistency, and not the position presented, whereas a person's inconsistency should not discredit their position.

-- Source: Tu quoque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

Let's not.

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Conflict of Interest: Where a source seeks to convince by a claim of authority or by personal observation, identification of conflicts of interest are not ad hominem – it is generally well accepted that an "authority" needs to be objective and impartial, and that an audience can only evaluate information from a source if they know about conflicts of interest that may affect the objectivity of the source. Identification of a conflict of interest is appropriate, and concealment of a conflict of interest is a problem.


Guilt by association

Main article: Association fallacy
Guilt by association can sometimes also be a type of ad hominem fallacy if the argument attacks a source because of the similarity between the views of someone making an argument and other proponents of the argument.[8]
This form of the argument is as follows:

1. Source S makes claim C.
2. Group G, which is currently viewed negatively by the recipient, also makes claim C.
3. Therefore, source S is viewed by the recipient of the claim as associated to the group G and inherits how negatively viewed it is.

Let's not.

Lets read up more...and understand different aspects of it


Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Breathe]

Conflict of Interest: Where a source seeks to convince by a claim of authority or by personal observation, identification of conflicts of interest are not ad hominem – it is generally well accepted that an "authority" needs to be objective and impartial, and that an audience can only evaluate information from a source if they know about conflicts of interest that may affect the objectivity of the source. Identification of a conflict of interest is appropriate, and concealment of a conflict of interest is a problem.


Guilt by association

Main article: Association fallacy
Guilt by association can sometimes also be a type of ad hominem fallacy if the argument attacks a source because of the similarity between the views of someone making an argument and other proponents of the argument.[8]
This form of the argument is as follows:

1. Source S makes claim C.
2. Group G, which is currently viewed negatively by the recipient, also makes claim C.
3. Therefore, source S is viewed by the recipient of the claim as associated to the group G and inherits how negatively viewed it is.

Lets read up more...and understand different aspects of it


Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm seeing these from both sides.

 

[Assad91]

I don't get the problem. Even in bible, the jews took slaves when they conquered people. And?

 

[danieldemol]

What Islam did, was to gradually release slaves and give them more rights and freedom. For example, a slave's rights became that they had to be clothed, sheltered and fed. If the task that was asked to do was too hard, the master had to help. They could be released, which was a great deed and greatly rewarded by Allah.

Now when it comes to slave women, if they allowed their masters to sleep with them and became pregnant, she automatically had the same rights as a wife.

I do feel that the Islamic laws regarding slavery were progressive by the standards of those times (albeit not progressive by today's standards), however use of the word "if" seems to imply the slave woman was empowered with a choice she was not historically given.

On the basis of hadeeth narrated by Abu Huraira, the doctors of Islamic law made rulings such as the following;

"...a slave woman does not have the right to refuse her master’s [sexual or other] requests unless she has a valid excuse. If she does that she is being disobedient and he has the right to discipline her in whatever manner he thinks is appropriate and is allowed in sharee’ah."1
(Text in brackets added to give the context of the question related in the link below)

Kind regards,
Dan

1 Islam Question and Answer - Husband forcing his wife to have intercourse
(Link would have been provided but chat rules prevented it)

 

[cocokorina]

I don't get the problem. Even in bible, the jews took slaves when they conquered people. And?

you dont see a problem in enslaving humans? So if jews or christians did something wrong, that makes it okay for Quran/Islam/Mohammad to condone it?

 

[Sabour]

First thing we have to know about right hand possession is that islam didn’t create it. It was already there. Islam restricted it only in the case of war.

What happens after a war ends to the wives of the defeated armies? Women were treated horribly. It is like winning army starts getting revenge from enemy by doing stuff to their women and children. That is what happens in almost every war! That what used to happen before Islam came. This surely is still happening in non-Islamic world.

However this is not permitted in Islam. Women were taken into custody because where else should they go? So women become custody of state. These women go to the men that were fighting. These men are responsible for the food, cloth and they should take care of them. But those women have to work for their keep. So this “right hand possession” came to give special treatment to those women. Where else can they go?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZnXT7yUVXM

I am sorry the video is annoying in some moments. But it is worth watching

 

[cocokorina]

First thing we have to know about right hand possession is that islam didn’t create it. It was already there. Islam restricted it only in the case of war.
What happens after a war ends to the wives of the defeated armies? Women were treated horribly. It is like winning army starts getting revenge from enemy by doing stuff to their women and children. That is what happens in almost every war! That what used to happen before Islam came. This surely is still happening in non-Islamic world.
However this is not permitted in Islam. Women were taken into custody because where else should they go? So women become custody of state. These women go to the men that were fighting. These men are responsible for the food, cloth and they should take care of them. But those women have to work for their keep. So this “right hand possession” came to give special treatment to those women. Where else can they go?

is it necessary to have sex with the woman if you're going to feed her and take care of her? why should they become your slave?

 

[seeking4truth]

Holy Quran Sura Al Nisa Ch. 4 v. 24
Sahih International: And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

Pickthall: And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

Yusuf Ali: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Shakir: And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.

Muhammad Sarwar: You are forbidden to marry married women except your slave-girls. This is the decree of God. Besides these, it is lawful for you to marry other women if you pay their dower, maintain chastity and do not commit indecency. If you marry them for the appointed time you must pay their dowries. There is no harm if you reach an understanding among yourselves about the dowry, God is All-knowing and All-wise. V 24.

This verse forbids Muslim men from approaching married women with proposals of marriage except those which have been taken as prisoners of war. (The same applies when a woman is widowed - men are not allowed to approach her with proposals until a certain time has elapsed)
EVEN approaches to such married prisoners has to be through a marriage proposal and a contracted marriage properly conducted.

NO WHERE DOES ISLAM PERMIT SEXUAL RELATIONS OUTSIDE MARRIAGE..

 

[cocokorina]

But they can have sex with what right hand possess? What does that mean?

 

[seeking4truth]

But they can have sex with what right hand possess? What does that mean?

No they can't - not unless they contract a proper marriage, pay a proper dowry and provide for everything that a wife needs.

 

[Matemkar]

Salam. Here's a good booklet on slavery you might like to read:
Slavery | Books on Islam and Muslims | Al-Islam.org

 

[Sabour]

But they can have sex with what right hand possess? What does that mean?

4:24 And whoever among you cannot [find] the means to marry free, believing women, then [he may marry] from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls. And Allah is most knowing about your faith. You [believers] are of one another. So marry them with the permission of their people and give them their due compensation according to what is acceptable. [They should be] chaste, neither [of] those who commit unlawful intercourse randomly nor those who take [secret] lovers. But once they are sheltered in marriage, if they should commit adultery, then for them is half the punishment for free [unmarried] women. This [allowance] is for him among you who fears sin, but to be patient is better for you. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.


Do you know Arabic brother ?

 

[cocokorina]

4:24 And whoever among you cannot [find] the means to marry free, believing women, then [he may marry] from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls. And Allah is most knowing about your faith. You [believers] are of one another. So marry them with the permission of their people and give them their due compensation according to what is acceptable. [They should be] chaste, neither [of] those who commit unlawful intercourse randomly nor those who take [secret] lovers. But once they are sheltered in marriage, if they should commit adultery, then for them is half the punishment for free [unmarried] women. This [allowance] is for him among you who fears sin, but to be patient is better for you. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.


Do you know Arabic brother ?

why did mohammad have sex with Mariyah al qibtya without being married to her? she was a coptic christian who was sent as a sex slave gift from the Muqawis to Mohammad.

 

[kashmir]

I am just glad that slavery was ended in the USA.
This was not done in small steps, the law came into affect to make slavery illegal and from what I gather, those who accepted it, made it right with the slaves, and set them free.
Yes I know that racism continued and many ignored the law though.

There seems to be a "you can take enemies as slaves" still very present going on in other parts of the world, from what I read in this thread, the quran suggests that as well.
Forgive me if I am mistaken though.
It seems like some dancing is going around on that subject.

Will we ever have world wide equality?
right now those poor girls are being sold for $12 and no one is doing a thing
Never mind what holy books say, will slavery over there ever stop?

I really do not believe that defeating enemies and then taking their slaves as yours as well as the enemy itself, is justified.
If you are to defeat the enemy, you set the slaves free.
Ones wife is not their slave either, she is equal.

 

[Union]

why did mohammad have sex with Mariyah al qibtya without being married to her? she was a coptic christian who was sent as a sex slave gift from the Muqawis to Mohammad.

I would appreciate if you could provide the reference of your statement from Muslim source . Thanks in advance .

 

[Draupadi]

Tsk, tsk, tsk. I am surprised how some members here are playing mental gymnastics. Islam allowed slaves this right, that right, etc. But you can have sex with your slaves without marrying her. In addition, how can anyone possibly believe that a woman will be ready to have sex with men who had killed all her male family members and captured her female ones? I wouldn't do that even if I were married to my so-called master. And why should slavery exist in the first place? Can't they be given freedom. Here 'they' means all not some who were freed for one's own gains or desires. Are we women so weak that we need to remain slaves to someone for our welfare? Those who support slavery will you send your children (male or female) to be slaves of others, for their 'welfare', after you and your spouse die? And there is a huge difference between slaves and servants. Slaves don't get paid for their work but servants do. And there is also difference between a slave concubine and a prostitute. The latter also gets paid.

 

[Pegg]

Tsk, tsk, tsk. I am surprised how some members here are playing mental gymnastics. Islam allowed slaves this right, that right, etc. But you can have sex with your slaves without marrying her.

isnt that called 'adultery' if the man is already married?

Doesnt God condemn adulterers and fornicators??


How could God condone and condemn it at the same time?? He would have to have a split personality....or whoever wrote it were not speaking from God at all but were speaking from their own sinful thoughts.

 

[Draupadi]

Well Pegg, having sex with slaves without marrying them is not considered a sin in our religion. This right is reserved for the males only just like polygamy.