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So will they or won't they? (Russia/Ukraine)
- Thread starter Stevicus
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For all the rhetoric and excuses coming out of Putin, the Kremlin, and all the other gremlins in Russia, Putin will emerge from this as THE BIG LIAR ('I/we will never invade the Ukraine'), since when he does invade - and now looking more and more likely - he can hardly just say, 'well, things have changed, haha', when we know he and his mates were engineering any situation to provoke their response. So his standing in the world will be even further reduced than it already is - to those with minds of their own. So great job, Vlad (the teeny, weeny little impaler)! 
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Martin
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There is no way Biden is going to "declare war" on Russia over Ukraine, and Putrid Putin knows it.
Ukraine isn't a NATO member.
We will see.
I have just heard that Biden is already accusing Russia for something some Ukrainian shill did in Donbass.
So...it is an old trick.
The US is as credible as a 30 dollar bill.
Martin
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There's a political blame game going on. The difference is that Biden hasn't massed 150,00 troops around Ukraine.
But who killed this soldier?
Ukraine soldier killed in clashes near Russia border | The Guardian Nigeria News - Nigeria and World News
Martin
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"Seperatist fighters", apparently, said by some to be Russian thugs following Putin's agenda.
Anyway, either Putin will invade Ukraine, or he won't. History will judge him.
And someone who removes any opposition, even going so far as attempted murder of a possible leader isn't - and is thuggish towards any he doesn't like (as to murdering them too, even if abroad) - what world do you live in? You really need to remove your fanboi status and do some reality analysing of what Putin and his cronies are doing. It's not just the USA that is calling him out but many others, and not all under the US thumb.
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And someone who removes any opposition, even going so far as attempted murder of a possible leader isn't, and is thuggish towards any he doesn't like (as to murdering them too, even if abroad), what world do you live in.? You really need to remove your fanboi status and do some reality analysing of what Putin and his cronies are doing. It's not just the USA that is calling him out but many others, and not all under the US thumb.
Whoever opposes Soros, is my ally.
But one question: I guess you consider all the stories about Soros "conspiracy theories".
At the same time I and many others consider all the stories about Putin poisoning alleged opponents "conspiracy theories"..
But you tell me I should to believe in them. Without a shred of evidence.
Isn't this doublestandardism?
Martin
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Whoever opposes Soros, is my ally.
But one question: I guess you consider all the stories about Soros "conspiracy theories".
At the same time I and many others consider all the stories about Putin poisoning alleged opponents "conspiracy theories"..
But you tell me I should to believe in them. Without a shred of evidence.
Isn't this doublestandardism?
So you think Putin didn't order the Salisbury poisonings? Really?
Martin
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And someone who removes any opposition, even going so far as attempted murder of a possible leader isn't, and is thuggish towards any he doesn't like (as to murdering them too, even if abroad), what world do you live in.? You really need to remove your fanboi status and do some reality analysing of what Putin and his cronies are doing. It's not just the USA that is calling him out but many others, and not all under the US thumb.
Today Putin is playing with his missiles. He's just a child grown older.
I can take some poison and then say that X who lives in another continent poisoned me.
Who is going to believe me ?
Unless I bring evidence?
Martin
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Have a read and see what you think. Everyone knows Putin was behind it, except you apparently.
Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal - Wikipedia
muhammad_isa
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The transformation into totalitarian state is reflected in the transition from selective repressions against opposition politicians and political activists who struggle for power to mass repressions against dissidents and potentially disloyal citizens who just don't want to support Putin's regime.
Russia under Vladimir Putin - Wikipedia
Wake up!
Belarus and Russia are goose-stepping and displaying their might.
Why?
Martin
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Because they're power-hungry fascists.
Why? They feel like they've been screwed by the West. They don't trust the West, and it can be argued that the West hasn't really done much to earn or deserve their trust. The Russians have a long history of being invaded by outsiders, and many of those invaders have come from the West.
As for Putin, it seems that the Russians also have a long history of governments led by tyrants. They never really seemed to take to the idea of freedom and democracy. However, it's not as completely closed off as it was during the Soviet period. Despite their various authoritarian governments, the Russians are not evil. The ones I've known are rational, intelligent, reasonable human beings - nothing at all like the "evil empire" they keep telling us about.
From their point of view, they're the ones trying to be peaceful, and it's the West who have been the aggressors. After all, we're the ones with troops and permanent military installations all over the world. Does anyone seriously believe that they don't notice these things?
muhammad_isa
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..by marching up & down on Ukraine's border?
No. Putin has made it clear.
He wants to "get back his territory" by hook or by crook.
Please don't tell us that US etc. is making the majority of Ukrainians in favour of independence. It won't wash.
Ukraine is the poorest nation in Europe.
They are neither "these or those" .. stuck in the middle.
I know what that feels like.
Why do you think Eastern European states have joined NATO?
I can only think of one nearby nation that they feel threatened by..
How's about you?
I'm not interested in Soros. There's lots of evidence actually - as to the science and the culprits being sought out and identified. And the evidence is quite good as to Putin's involvement in the Novichok and Polonium affairs, unless you seriously believe a leader would not know about such - much like the Khashoggi affair as to Saudi Arabia. Why believe anything coming out of Russia when the media is controlled, there is no political opposition (or much opposition at all), and where the Kremlin appears to still live in a Cold War era? I think you seriously have to look at how you judge people. It's more the evidence stacked against him than anything personal.Whoever opposes Soros, is my ally.
But one question: I guess you consider all the stories about Soros "conspiracy theories".
At the same time I and many others consider all the stories about Putin poisoning alleged opponents "conspiracy theories"..
But you tell me I should to believe in them. Without a shred of evidence.
Isn't this doublestandardism?
They haven't invaded yet. Nothing has been made clear.
I never said anything about that. I don't know what you're talking about. The Ukrainians voted for their own independence from the Soviet Union. Of course, a lot of people still credit Reagan with winning the Cold War. I never really agreed with that view, but if the US government did have something to do with the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and the fall of the Soviet Union, then perhaps some might see us as liberators who helped free them from their former oppressors and occupiers.
I'm well aware that the Russians, Ukrainians, and many other nations of Eastern Europe have had a rough time over the course of history. I can't help that. I do know that, at least from America's standpoint, we've gone into situations where we thought we were doing good, but ended up doing more harm than good.
So, above all else, I think we need to play it cool and not get so trigger happy. Let them fire the first shot.
The primary reason NATO was formed in the first place was the fear of communist aggression. Once Russia stopped being communist, then there was no longer a need for NATO to exist. Communism was all but defeated, except for NK or Cuba. Even China was becoming far more capitalist-friendly and remained communist in name only. Russia was also in dire straits in the post-communist 1990s under Yeltsin. Poverty was widespread, crime was rampant. It turns out Western-style capitalism didn't bring about the paradise they were hoping for.
There was no real basis for believing that the Russians would have been a threat at that point. There was no more Comintern or calls for the workers of the world to rise up. Statues of Lenin were being torn down, the city of Leningrad changed its name back to St. Petersburg.
As for NATO expanding into Eastern Europe, there may be some geopolitical logic to it, considering the economies of Eastern Europe were slowly integrated into that of Western Europe and the core NATO powers. It's natural that their collective security interests would coincide with their economic interests.
Also, the former members of the Warsaw Pact were obviously bristling under Soviet hegemony and seemed determined to not allow such a thing to happen again. So, by joining NATO, they enjoy the shared protection of a powerful alliance.
But do they really need that protection? Is Russia truly a threat to European or global security? They were a far bigger threat during the Cold War - or at least, they were touted as such. The "evil empire," as Reagan called them. But sometimes I wondered whether the threat was overblown or exaggerated back then.
Do the Russians have reason to feel threatened by us? These are the questions we should be asking, rather than allow ourselves to be afflicted with war fever.