Some things I am noticing

[SomeRandom]

You just hits the nail on the head. Its not scientific, its social.

Umm social science is a thing you know? It’s even a subject in schools. Of both primary/elementary and high school levels. And obviously in later academia
Like science does in fact observe and report on social phenomenons. You are aware of this, yeah?

 

[We Never Know]

Umm social science is a thing you know? It’s even a subject in schools. Of both primary/elementary and high school levels. And obviously in later academia
Like science does in fact observe and report on social phenomenons. You are aware of this, yeah?

See here...

And the point is that science doesn't determine social interaction. Someone who is trans and goes to a doctor needs to let the doctor know everything going on. And it isn't just the chromosomes that are relevant.

Just because someone is XY doesn't mean they are physically male. Just because they are physically male doesn't mean their brains are wired in the male style.

The question of how to assign gender and what role gender identity plays is not a scientific one. It is a social one. It is a social classification, not a scientific one.

Up until 2019 the WHO classified transgender people with a mental disorder.

WHO Drops Being Transgender from List of Mental Disorders | Time



Also have you ever heard of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders(DSM-5)

What is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders(DSM-5) used for?
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) is the handbook used by health care professionals in the United States and much of the world as the authoritative guide to the diagnosis of mental disorders. DSM contains descriptions, symptoms and other criteria for diagnosing mental disorders.

What book provides for one overarching diagnosis of gender dysphoria with separate specific criteria for children and for adolescents and adults? The DSM-5

Psychiatry.org - What is Gender Dysphoria?.

 

[We Never Know]

That’s actually more frequent than red heads in our species, last I checked.
Did you know that?

Nope. Red heads are 1-2%

Red hair, occurring in 1 to 2%

 

[ADigitalArtist]

See here...


Up until 2019 the WHO classified transgender people with a mental disorder.

WHO Drops Being Transgender from List of Mental Disorders | Time



Also have you ever heard of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders(DSM-5)

What is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders(DSM-5) used for?
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) is the handbook used by health care professionals in the United States and much of the world as the authoritative guide to the diagnosis of mental disorders. DSM contains descriptions, symptoms and other criteria for diagnosing mental disorders.

What book provides for one overarching diagnosis of gender dysphoria with separate specific criteria for children and for adolescents and adults? The DSM-5

Psychiatry.org - What is Gender Dysphoria?.

• We used to call lots of things mental disorders. Including female libido (hysteria.) Using past diagnostics as reason for not accepting trans identities is foolhardy.
• The DSM-V removed gender identity much further back, in 2012.
• What about this makes gender identity not scientific?

 

[We Never Know]

• We used to call lots of things mental disorders. Including female libido (hysteria.) Using past diagnostics as reason for not accepting trans identities is foolhardy.
• The DSM-V removed gender identity much further back, in 2012.
• What about this makes gender identity not scientific?

"The DSM-V removed gender identity much further back, in 2012."

Really??

It wasn't released until 2013.

Dr. Dilip Jeste, the then President of the American Psychiatric Association, released the Fifth Edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM 5)[1] on May 18, 2013.

Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders 5: A quick glance

 

[ADigitalArtist]

"The DSM-V removed gender identity much further back, in 2012."

Really??

It wasn't released until 2013.

Dr. Dilip Jeste, the then President of the American Psychiatric Association, released the Fifth Edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM 5)[1] on May 18, 2013.

Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders 5: A quick glance

On Saturday,[Dec 1st, 2012] the American Psychiatric Association’s board of trustees approved changes to the latest version of The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-V) that will remove the term “Gender Identity Disorder” (GID)

The APA Removes "Gender Identity Disorder" From Updated Mental Health Guide

The removal was before the publishing date. And was made publicly available just like all DSM revisions.

 

[We Never Know]

The APA Removes "Gender Identity Disorder" From Updated Mental Health Guide

The removal was before the publishing date. And was made publicly available just like all DSM revisions.

My bad. I didn't notice you moved the goal post from my post about "gender dysphoria" and inserted "GID" in its place in your post.


"With the publication of DSM–5 in 2013, “gender identity disorder” was eliminated and replaced with “gender dysphoria.” This change further focused the diagnosis on the gender identity-related distress that some transgender people experience (and for which they may seek psychiatric, medical, and surgical treatments)"

Psychiatry.org - Gender Dysphoria Diagnosis)

 

[ADigitalArtist]

My bad. I didn't notice you moved the goal post from my post about "gender dysphoria" and inserted "GID" in its place in your post.


"With the publication of DSM–5 in 2013, “gender identity disorder” was eliminated and replaced with “gender dysphoria.” This change further focused the diagnosis on the gender identity-related distress that some transgender people experience (and for which they may seek psychiatric, medical, and surgical treatments)"

Psychiatry.org - Gender Dysphoria Diagnosis)

Gender dysphoria is not gender identity. And you don't need gender dysphoria to be transgender.

This is like saying lots of socially stigmatized minorities have increased rates of depression therefore their identity as a member of that minority is a mental illness.

Being intersex very frequently also comes with body dysmorphia, gender dysphoria and depression, does that mean being intersex is a mental illness?

Sounds like you're just looking for an excuse to call transgender people mentally ill and then dismiss them as irrelevant which is not only transphobic but also ablist towards people with mental illness.

 

[We Never Know]

Gender dysphoria is not gender identity. And you don't need gender dysphoria to be transgender.

This is like saying lots of socially stigmatized minorities have depression therefore their identity as a member of that minority is a mental illness.

Being intersex very frequently also comes with body dysmorphia, gender dysphoria and depression, does that mean being intersex is a mental illness?

Sounds like you're just looking for an excuse to call transgender people mentally ill and then dismiss them as irrelevant which is not only transphobic but also ablist towards people with mental illness.

Do I think its normal, no I do not.
Do I think they should be ridiculed, stigmatized or anything else, no I do not.

You have no clue about me or my upbringing(as you brought up in another post you made) so take your personal attacks and your what you "think" about me else where.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Do I think its normal, no I do not.
Do I think they should be ridiculed, stigmatized or anything else, no I do not.

You have no clue about me or my upbringing(as you brought up in another post you made) so take your personal attacks and your what you "think" about me else where.

Red hair and intersex isn't normal either. But would you make a thread trying to link their existence to mental illness just because they're not normal? Would you try and frame their identities as not scientific? Would you complain about being asked to acknowledge their identities?

Never said I knew you. Said what you sound like.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders(DSM-5) used for?
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) is the handbook used by health care professionals in the United States and much of the world as the authoritative guide to the diagnosis of mental disorders. DSM contains descriptions, symptoms and other criteria for diagnosing mental disorders.

What book provides for one overarching diagnosis of gender dysphoria with separate specific criteria for children and for adolescents and adults? The DSM-5

Most clinicians hardly use it (the DSM) for more than billing codes. Seriously. It's far from the "Mental Health Bible" laymen think it is.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Do I think its normal, no I do not.

It is normal, much in the same way Autism is.

 

[We Never Know]

It is normal, much in the same way Autism is.

And autism is a mental disorder

To name a few other mental disorders...
(The purpose is down in my post)

-Depression
-Anxiety disorders(such as generalized anxiety disorders social anxiety disorders, panic disorders, and phobias)
-Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD)
-Bipolar disorder
-Schizophrenia

Does it include transgender, I don't know because that has became political and political correctness is at play there.

All these people carry extra things to deal with mentally and/or physically but should not be looked down upon as inferior, mistreated, ridiculed, stigmatized, or anything else.

Political correctness, avoidance, offensiveness, acceptance, etc makes it hard to talk about many of these things.

I'm not offended and accept people who are transgender however it seems to offend them when I say I don't agree. Imagine that.

But in my opinion to tell someone they are transphobic, homophobic, etc because they don't agree is pretty ignorant. A person can disagree something without thinking it is horrible or disliking people who are that way.

Also I am a born living male. I don't need a label of cismale.
When people/conditions strayed from male/female, it all got labeled. So it seems in turn everyone should have a/be labeled to make it fair/politically correct. I have a lable, its male,, No prefix needed.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Also I am a born living male. I don't need a label of cismale.
When people/conditions strayed from male/female, it all got labeled. So it seems in turn everyone should have a/be labeled to make it fair/politically correct. I have a lable, its male,, No prefix needed.

Were you offended when people called you heterosexual male when referencing sexuality? If not, why get offended if people call you cismale in reference to gender?
Cismale means you were assigned male at birth, and your gender identity aligns with that assignment. That's it.

 

[We Never Know]

Were you offended when people called you heterosexual male when referencing sexuality? If not, why get offended if people call you cismale in reference to gender?
Cismale means you were assigned male at birth, and your gender identity aligns with that assignment. That's it.

I am "male". Anything other than a male evidently needs a prefix lable. Male does not. Thats why homosexual came about,, to lable males who also like males

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I am "male". Anything other than a male evidently needs a prefix lable. Male does not. Thats why homosexual came about,, to lable males who also like males

Yes, and heterosexual male came about to distinguish between homosexual male and heterosexual male. We don't say the categories are "homosexual and not homosexual" because it's not a binary. People are also bisexual, pansexual etc.

Similarly it's not 'transgender and not transgender' because nonbinary exist, too. It's transgender, cisgender and nonbinary gender.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes, and heterosexual male came about to distinguish between homosexual male and heterosexual male. We don't say the categories are "homosexual and not homosexual" because it's not a binary. People are also bisexual, pansexual etc.

Similarly it's not 'transgender and not transgender' because nonbinary exist, too. It's transgender, cisgender and nonbinary gender.

Lol. A male that likes males does have a prefix.
A male that feels/lives as they are a female does have a prefx.
Etc....
I know my sex/gender and I don't need a prefix for it to be accepted or to describe who I am. .
Maybe you do, who knows.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Lol. A male that likes males does have a prefix.
A male that feels/lives as they are a female does have a prefx.
Etc....
I know my sex/gender and I don't need a prefix for it to be accepted or to describe who I am. .
Maybe you do, who knows.

A male that likes females also has a prefix. Heterosexual. Does being called heterosexual offend you? Do you feel not accepted or described wrong when called one?

Transwomen aren't men pretending to or living as women. They are women.

 

[We Never Know]

A male that likes females also has a prefix. Heterosexual. Does being called heterosexual offend you? Do you feel not accepted or described wrong when called one?

Transwomen aren't men pretending to or living as women. They are women.

"A male that likes females" is a natural male that is about procreating and carrying on the species. ...no prefix needed.

If you think differently, that great! Everyone has an opinion and an *******. Share one of those, don't be the other.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

"A male that likes females" is a natural male that is about procreating and carrying on the species. ...no prefix needed.

If you think differently, that great! Everyone has an opinion and an *******. Share one of those, don't be the other.

I can see why you get offended at being called a homophobe or transphobe. They always do. And argue until they're blue in the face that otherizing or setting someone up as 'unnatural' for what they are is not being an *******. Lol

Anyway homosexuals are also natural. Literally because the occur in nature but also because many social animals have social strategies where not all members breed. Breeding isn't the only positive thing to bring to a social unit.

Having a prefix doesn't mean natural and having no prefix doesn't mean unnatural. Prefix just defines the context of the subject being spoken about. I'm also a white American woman, which is important when talking about how race or national issues effect women. White is not the standard. And neither is heterosexual or cisgendered.