State Senator Proposes Mandatory Vasectomies for Nebraskans

[Revoltingest]

Not according to biology

You think a fetus is biologically identical to a child?
I see some differences. (I once took a biology course.)

 

[Truth in love]

Is government-enforced birth on par with a government-enforced vasectomy?
If there were government-enforced vasectomies, would there be any need for government-enforced births?
Which scenario is likely to cause more harm to the recipient, the government-enforced vasectomy, or the government-enforced birth?

1. There is a host of birth control out there for those who don't want to get pregnant.
2. If push comes to shove one could even try abstinence.
3. The issue is the bodily anatomy of the child. Why don't they get a say in what happens to their body?

 

[Truth in love]

You think a fetus is biologically identical to a child?
I see some differences. (I once took a biology course.)

It's got human DNA.

I'm quite different from an infant in many regards, but I'm still human.

 

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1. There is a host of birth control out there for those who don't want to get pregnant.
2. If push comes to shove one could even try abstinence.
3. The issue is the bodily anatomy of the child. Why don't they get a say in what happens to their body?

How much bodily autonomy does it have when it has never been able to even breath on its own yet?

 

[fantome profane]

3. The issue is the bodily anatomy of the child. Why don't they get a say in what happens to their body?

I think some people just hear words and then repeat them without knowing or even caring what they mean.

No, the fetus does not have bodily autonomy because it is not autonomous.

If you don’t know what those words mean, look them up.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's got human DNA.

Many things do....
Fetus, ear, nose, junk, baby, Trump
Doesn't make them all the same thing.

I'm quite different from an infant in many regards, but I'm still human.

A couple posters say otherwise.
But hey...liberals...they've a low opinion of me too.

 

[Truth in love]

How much bodily autonomy does it have when it has never been able to even breath on its own yet?

it’s a body. Why not accept that it should get to live?

Do we want to start having functionality tests to decide if we get to off people???

 

[Truth in love]

I think some people just hear words and then repeat them without knowing or even caring what they mean.

No, the fetus does not have bodily autonomy because it is not autonomous.

If you don’t know what those words mean, look them up.

Thanks for the condescending advice on how to be okay with genocidal policies. I decline to adopt such evil in my life.

 

[Truth in love]

Many things do....
Fetus, ear, nose, junk, baby, Trump
Doesn't make them all the same thing.

A couple posters say otherwise.
But hey...liberals...they've a low opinion of me too.

If we let lack of development be grounds for being less than human where is line? What protects those with low IQ and other factors that have historically been used for genocide?

 

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it’s a body. Why not accept that it should get to live?

Do we want to start having functionality tests to decide if we get to off people???

Does it have autonomy if it can't be separated from its host and live? How is that independence? (Autonomy)

 

[Truth in love]

Does it have autonomy if it can't be separated from its host and live? How is that independence? (Autonomy)

It has a short term disability for its independence that most often will resolve in time.

Can I walk through the ICU and pull all the plugs as they lack independence???

 

[Revoltingest]

If we let lack of development be grounds for being less than human where is line?

Everyone draws a line...tis a necessary thing to do.
Sperm cell, unfertilized egg, fertilized egg, zygote,
healthy fetus, unhealthy fetus with anencephaly,
foot, arm, leg, etc.
All have human DNA. Some will develop into humans. Some won't
The question of where to draw the line shouldn't mean taking the
most extreme possible because of some slippery slope.

What protects those with low IQ and other factors that have historically been used for genocide?

Society will reach some consensus. Depending upon
when & where, there might or might not be protection.
Once again, questions shouldn't mean the extreme
position is the best one.

 

[Truth in love]

Everyone draws a line...tis a necessary thing to do.
Sperm cell, unfertilized egg, fertilized egg, zygote,
healthy fetus, unhealthy fetus with anencephaly,
foot, arm, leg, etc.
All have human DNA. Some will develop into humans. Some won't
The question of where to draw the line shouldn't mean taking the
most extreme possible because of some slippery slope.

Society will reach some consensus. Depending upon
when & where, there might or might not be protection.
Once again, questions shouldn't mean the extreme
position is the best one.

Not always, but we've seen what happens when the rules are removed Progressive era USA, Nazi, FDR, Belgium euthanasia: Three doctors accused in unprecedented trial, (There was also a story of grandma being held down and killed by family, but I'm not finding that link).

I'm not big on extremes, but don't kill people seems like a good idea.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not always, but we've seen what happens when the rules are removed Progressive era USA, Nazi, FDR, Belgium euthanasia: Three doctors accused in unprecedented trial, (There was also a story of grandma being held down and killed by family, but I'm not finding that link).

Who's proposing having no rules?
Your citations had plenty of rules....just not to your liking.

I'm not big on extremes....

Where do you draw the line on illegal vs illegal abortion?

...but don't kill people seems like a good idea.

We disagree about the legal definition of "people".

 

[Truth in love]

Who's proposing having no rules?
Your citations had plenty of rules....just not to your liking.

Where do you draw the line on illegal vs illegal abortion?

We disagree about the legal definition of "people".

When the legal lines excludes someone it really sucks for them.

I’ve seen several lines on abortion.

the no never, even to save mom is nuts.

the next spot is only to save mom.
After that we have to save mom and if there is rape or incest. (Very much on the following through with your choice, but not having others choices pushed on you.)
I find both of the above very reasonable places to draw the line.

After this we have areas of how developed they are. The most extremes here are several years post birth.

If the right to life is gone it’s pretty hard to enjoy any other rights.

 

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It has a short term disability for its independence that most often will resolve in time.

Can I walk through the ICU and pull all the plugs as they lack independence???

Unlike a fetus or an embroyo, those beings have had the autonomy to at least breathe on their own during their lifetime.

 

[Truth in love]

Unlike a fetus or an embroyo, those beings have had the autonomy to at least breathe on their own during their lifetime.

Where is the line????

 

[crossfire]

Where is the line????

I'm setting a pretty low bar for bodily autonomy--having once been able to breathe on one's own. I'll even go so far as to count a fetus that can breathe on its own if it is immediately separated from its host as having some degree of bodily autonomy. Basically, I draw the line at viability, especially if bodily autonomy is being argued.

 

[Truth in love]

I'm setting a pretty low bar for bodily autonomy--having once been able to breathe on one's own. I'll even go so far as to count a fetus that can breathe on its own if it is immediately separated from its host as having some degree of bodily autonomy. Basically, I draw the line at viability, especially if bodily autonomy is being argued.

So the line off JR. is determined by the level of womb simulation tech we develop. If we make it a bit better “meaningful life” moves?

 

[Truth in love]

I'm setting a pretty low bar for bodily autonomy--having once been able to breathe on one's own. I'll even go so far as to count a fetus that can breathe on its own if it is immediately separated from its host as having some degree of bodily autonomy. Basically, I draw the line at viability, especially if bodily autonomy is being argued.

additional thought this would really make when you become human dependent on how stable the power grid is.