Still think it's an exaggeration?

[buddhist]

I've seen it indirectly.
Reading Nat Geo (& even ignoring their advocacy) for decades, it's clear that climate change of the warming variety is pronounced the closer one is to the poles. And this very well could have long term feedback in this direction as the planet's albedo becomes lower (ie, less reflectivity). The major controversies I see are predicting the extent & pace of change, the extent the cause is by man's activities, & the most appropriate measures to mitigate & cope with it.

Wasn't it supposed to be global warming, not just polar warming (something I can't verify for myself)?

 

[MD]

The winter this year in the UK has been really mild. It's more like Early Autumn as most of the leaves are still on the trees. The birds still haven't migrated or gone into hibernation (whatever). It's been very noticeable.

A few years ago, my parents and I went for a drive into the local market town. It started raining. But this sort of rain wasn't normal. It was extremely heavy. We sat in the car in the car park waiting for it to stop, exchanging glances with someone else stuck in their car. We were just sitting in this tiny metal box as gallons of water was falling out of the sky. It felt "small". We were almost arguing what to do as driving in it was impossible. When the rain stopped we decided just to head back home because there would be flash floods at the bottom of the hill where the shops are. Reading the news later, We were right. We took a diversion off the main road to get away from the clouds and get to clear open sky.

That's the first time the weather has ever frightened me as an adult. But this was "just" rain.

When I was a kid in Canada about 20 years ago, there was snow in November and we could make snowmen easily. Many people would make their own backyard ice rinks. Now it's going to be 11 degrees C in early December.

Some people say 'oh the weather's great', but many Canadians find it weird. It's a bit unsettling to not have that blistering cold anymore, except for January and February.

 

[MD]

Denial is appealling, I see.

As a Brazilian would you happen to know if the rates of Amazon deforestation have slowed down, or sped up? Are there any plans to preserve the rainforest?

 

[Laika]

As a Brazilian would you happen to know if the rates of Amazon deforestation have slowed down, or sped up? Are there any plans to preserve the rainforest?

May be helpful:

http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/where_we_work/amazon/amazon_threats/climate_change_amazon/

 

[Revoltingest]

Wasn't it supposed to be global warming, not just polar warming (something I can't verify for myself)?

Warming elsewhere is less observable to a rank amateur like me.
But if the poles lose ice, & the planet's albedo lowers, I'd expect
a worldwide increase (less than the poles though).

 

[Iti oj]

When I was a kid in Canada about 20 years ago, there was snow in November and we could make snowmen easily. Many people would make their own backyard ice rinks. Now it's going to be 11 degrees C in early December.

Some people say 'oh the weather's great', but many Canadians find it weird. It's a bit unsettling to not have that blistering cold anymore, except for January and February.

Long deep freezes are important ecologically speaking . pest population control. This effects forest health and agriculture

 

[buddhist]

Warming elsewhere is less observable to a rank amateur like me.
But if the poles lose ice, & the planet's albedo lowers, I'd expect
a worldwide increase (less than the poles though).

Less observable, or not observable? I can't observe this alleged global warming around me ... so why should I believe in this conspiracy theory again?

 

[Iti oj]

Less observable, or not observable? I can't observe this alleged global warming around me ... so why should I believe in this conspiracy theory again?

Try opening your door and looking past your porch.

 

[Revoltingest]

Less observable, or not observable? I can't observe this alleged global warming around me ... so why should I believe in this conspiracy theory again?

We all observe where we can.
I speak only to what I can see & deduce.
This results in angering some AGW advocates.
One here likes to regularly call me a liar.
Meh.....his immaturity & intellectual inadequacy is his problem.

 

[LuisDantas]

As a Brazilian would you happen to know if the rates of Amazon deforestation have slowed down, or sped up? Are there any plans to preserve the rainforest?

Solid information is not very widespread, perhaps surprisingly. General sentiment seems to be that there is little hope of finding ways to stop deforestation when there is money to be found there.

We have had government overseers regularly killed at palm tree reserves that are much less difficult to reach.

 

[Iti oj]

Solid information is not very widespread, perhaps surprisingly. General sentiment seems to be that there is little hope of finding ways to stop deforestation when there is money to be found there.

We have had government overseers regularly killed at palm tree reserves that are much less difficult to reach.

What's the sollution to that money caused apathy?

 

[LuisDantas]

What's the sollution to that money caused apathy?

Brazilians are intensely greedy, to the point that very little beyond wealth contributes to social status, so it is difficult.

It seems to me that we would need a lot less economic disparity and a better distributted education. But that is a lot more easier said than done.

 

[buddhist]

Try opening your door and looking past your porch.

Haven't seen any evidence for myself past my porch either. Global warming is still a conspiracy theory in my book.

 

[LuisDantas]

Haven't seen any evidence for myself past my porch either. Global warming is still a conspiracy theory in my book.

Despite the clear growth in climate instability, the ever growing emission of pollutants and reliance on petrol and its derivates? All aggravated by ever more consumption-oriented habits of a population that now doubles every few decades?

And to top it all, despite academical consensus as well?

That is rather disappointing.

 

[buddhist]

Despite the clear growth in climate instability, the ever growing emission of pollutants and reliance on petrol and its derivates? All aggravated by ever more consumption-oriented habits of a population that now doubles every few decades?

And to top it all, despite academical consensus as well?

That is rather disappointing.

There's always been climate instability. Ups and downs are normal. If the climate stayed the same all the time, then I'd be concerned.

My point is that I haven't seen global warming for myself. I don't personally perceive that so-called academical consensus either.

 

[LuisDantas]

There's always been climate instability.

Petrol-craving pestilence that insists on covering every possible area and shaping the environment for personal convenience only reached the current numbers in recent decades, though.

Ups and downs are normal. If the climate stayed the same all the time, then I'd be concerned.

I doubt it. I doubt just as much that you have any expertise in the area, or access to relevant data.

My point is that I haven't seen global warming for myself. I don't personally perceive that so-called academical consensus either.

Out of respect, I will hide my opinion.

 

[buddhist]

I doubt just as much that you have any expertise in the area, or access to relevant data.

Likewise, and I question the data too.

 

[LuisDantas]

Likewise, and I question the data too.

So you are willing to believe in a major conspiracy for no good reason instead? Is that even conceivable?

Let alone that logically there must be some point where the ecological impact of humanity needs to be considered, even if we had no means to decide where it would be.

 

[buddhist]

So you are willing to believe in a major conspiracy for no good reason instead? Is that even conceivable?

No good reason? I thought I already gave some good reasons here in this thread.

1. I don't see this global warming for myself;
2. I question the government(s)-provided data, and cannot verify any of it for myself, and considering they're pushing for taxes and less liberties associated with their position;
3. There is no full consensus on the position in the academic community, with many IMO good rebuttals from the "anti-" side.
4. I see the actions of many of those in the "pro-" side for myself, and how they do not align with what they preach.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Less observable, or not observable? I can't observe this alleged global warming around me ... so why should I believe in this conspiracy theory again?

Because there millions of square miles of Earth that are not around or near you?