Store owner shoots would be robber

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Personal responsibility means being able to defend yourself and others if need be. The alternative is to be a victim willingly.
Why would anyone advocate such lunacy?

Personal responsibility means being accountable for the consequences of your actions.

Thank you for illustrating again that this is something you just aren't interested in doing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you watch the video he shoots without any hesitation. That indicates that he shot too early to me. There was no judgement of, "let's just wing 'im".

I found that hard to judge with any certainty. We can barely even see him as he takes the shot.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I took it to mean to be pacifist/non-violent and not put up a resistance.

Oh, okay. If that's sheep-like, then call me a sheep.

Which really says more about them and how they are willing to escalate an already bad situation just to resort to violence over something replaceable that doesn't really even mean anything personally to them. And because there is insurance for this type of thing, I'll just give the robber the entire register just so there's no question of me holding back. Why the hell and I am going to risk myself further than it already is over such a trivial thing? Why are they willing to escalate it over such a trivial thing?

I'm with you on this. It's just stuff. Stuff can be replaced. People can't.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh, okay. If that's sheep-like, then call me a sheep.

I suppose I'm more like a bear in that way in that it has to be something really important to me or it's probably just not worth it. But if it is important and violence is necessary then I am willing and likely to be more like a mama bear defending her cubs. Other than that I want nothing to do with violence and go through lengths so avoid it (like most animals, really).

 

[SkepticThinker]

I suppose I'm more like a bear in that way in that it has to be something really important to me or it's probably just not worth it. But if it is important and violence is necessary then I am willing and likely to be more like a mama bear defending her cubs. Other than that I want nothing to do with violence and go through lengths so avoid it (like most animals, really).

Ditto.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I took it to mean to be pacifist/non-violent and not put up a resistance.
Which really says more about them and how they are willing to escalate an already bad situation just to resort to violence over something replaceable that doesn't really even mean anything personally to them. And because there is insurance for this type of thing, I'll just give the robber the entire register just so there's no question of me holding back. Why the hell and I am going to risk myself further than it already is over such a trivial thing? Why are they willing to escalate it over such a trivial thing?

Trivial? Some one pointing a weapon at you isn't trivial. You seem to assume that robbers are actually nice people who would never actually hurt you. If you want to survive, you better assume they mean to kill you . I'm not worried about anyone escalating things, that's hard to do with a bullet in you.

 

[Wildswanderer]

They seem to have a complete lack of foresight beyond a step or two ahead. They can think as far as "if store owners have guns, they can shoot crooks" but apparently can't make the mental leap to "if store owners have guns, crooks will get guns, too."

Do you avoid reality in regards to everything...or just guns? Yes anyone can get a gun... you can even make one now. So that's reality. Prepare accordingly.

 

[Wildswanderer]

If you watch the video he shoots without any hesitation. That indicates that he shot too early to me. There was no judgement of, "let's just wing 'im".

Do you assume to know what load he was using? Are you even sure it was a shotgun? Shotguns can be chambered for a slug.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Personal responsibility means being accountable for the consequences of your actions.

I'm good with that. My ability to defend myself doesn't cause anyone else's actions.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Trivial? Some one pointing a weapon at you isn't trivial. You seem to assume that robbers are actually nice people who would never actually hurt you. If you want to survive, you better assume they mean to kill you . I'm not worried about anyone escalating things, that's hard to do with a bullet in you.

Yes. Fighting to defend a box of papers is one of the most trivial--and stupid--things to fight for. I could probably name at least 100 greater hills to die on without even trying.
Thanks for the third admission you aren't reading what I'm saying, just taking a bit out of context to blow some hot air out.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do you assume to know what load he was using? Are you even sure it was a shotgun? Shotguns can be chambered for a slug.

Yes, there were reports that it was a shotgun. And a slug would have left a massive wound and there was no sign of that.

But that is what makes a shotgun a superior self defense weapon. Unless one trains quite a bit it is very difficult to quickly aim and shoot accurately. A shotgun is much more apt to hit a target. Even better, as in this case, it stopped the attack but did not kill the man.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What bothers me is that GoFundMe took down a page that someone had started to benefit the man that shot in self defense:

"Our terms of service prohibit fundraising for the legal defense of a violent crime. At this time, the fundraiser has been removed and all donors have been refunded," a GoFundMe spokesperson told Newsweek at the time.

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He had not been charged with a violent crime and there was no way that he was going to be charged with one...Law enforcement has openly supported the man. He was the victim of a violent crime since his heart attack was almost certainly caused by this event.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Yes. Fighting to defend a box of papers is one of the most trivial--and stupid--things to fight for. I could probably name at least 100 greater hills to die on without even trying.
Thanks for the third admission you aren't reading what I'm saying, just taking a bit out of context to blow some hot air out.

That box of paper is someone's livelihood. And again, you are assuming that's what he was defending. Self defense is one of the most basic human rights.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That box of paper is someone's livelihood. And again, you are assuming that's what he was defending. Self defense is one of the most basic human rights.

That's why you get stuff like that insured when you run a business. And guess what? Livelihoods are replaceable. A life is not.
And what do such stores get robbed for? The perp is rarely out to murder because that's an entirely different charge. They very typically just want what they're out to get and go.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That box of paper is someone's livelihood. And again, you are assuming that's what he was defending. Self defense is one of the most basic human rights.

So what? Their life is worth more.
Papers are replaceable. Lives aren't.
Gee, you'd think someone who claims they're pro-life would understand this.

 

[Revoltingest]

So what? Their life is worth more.
Papers are replaceable. Lives aren't.

But is the life of an armed robber worth more or less than nothing?
Money (even if made of paper) is the life blood of business.
To steal it under threat of death makes the robber worth less
than nothing. Good riddance to such life.

 

[SkepticThinker]

But is the life of an armed robber worth more or less than nothing?
Money (even if made of paper) is the life blood of business.
To steal it under threat of death makes the robber worth less
than nothing. Good riddance to such life.

Money is replaceable and insurable. Life is always worth more than things, imho.
Robbers are bad people, but they generally just want your things. I say give it to them if they've got a gun to your head because replaceable things aren't worth risking your life over.

 

[Wildswanderer]

So what? Their life is worth more.
Papers are replaceable. Lives aren't.
Gee, you'd think someone who claims they're pro-life would understand this.

Whose life is worth more?
Who gets to decide?
If someone has a gun pointed at you are you going to tell me thier life is more important than you defending yourself?

 

[We Never Know]

It solves absolutely nothing. A ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. And America is drunk with this idea that somehow things like the OP are good. It's not. The problem persists, it lingers on, absolutely nothing is actually done. It's like squeezing the puss out of a festering would and thinking that's enough despite the deep red ring of infection surrounding the wound. No, at that point stuff must be done, like using an anti-septic and keeping the wound clean. However, these are things that should have been done in the first place, before the problem grew this bad.

"A ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"

Put that attitude toward abortions being a cure for an unwanted pregnancy is abortion. We need more prevention.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Money is replaceable and insurable. Life is always worth more than things, imho.
Robbers are bad people, but they generally just want your things. I say give it to them if they've got a gun to your head because replaceable things aren't worth risking your life over.

Facepalm! Because letting them shoot you is less risky?
You are risking your life by not defending yourself.