Struggling to come to terms with something I have read in the bible.

[Quagmire]

can't you see the melodrama, i thought it was a good punch line, like "I only want to get married i am no hurting anyone"

Lol! What the hell are you talking about now?

 

[Riverwolf]

You say "Natural because he is born that way," nature makes mistakes all the time, children are born with all kinds of abormalities.

And how do you know those are mistakes and not they way nature intended them to be?

There's no such thing as "normal" in the real world. Or if there is, I've never seen it.

Animals also can change gender at will to reproduce. but we are above animals, or are we not. A cople of times i happen to see dogs hugging a leg of a person, and been very amorous like, they are confused they are animals after all.

Sorry, wrong again. I see no reason to believe we are "above" other animals in any way. We may be DIFFERENT, but we are not "above."

 

[Quagmire]

can't you see the melodrama, i thought it was a good punch line, like "I only want to get married i am no hurting anyone"

Ah, I think I see now; you're trying to play it off like you were kidding when you made that post.

No, you weren't :no:. I just went back and read it in context. Your post was in response to someone pointing out the rampancy of sexual abuse among the clergy. If there's a lead-in to a joke in there anywhere, I missed it.

 

[free spirit]

And how do you know those are mistakes and not they way nature intended them to be?

There's no such thing as "normal" in the real world. Or if there is, I've never seen it.



Sorry, wrong again. I see no reason to believe we are "above" other animals in any way. We may be DIFFERENT, but we are not "above."

Hurray!!! We have finally came to the foundation of our differences, I rest my case.

 

[free spirit]

Ah, I think I see now; you're trying to play it off like you were kidding when you made that post.

No, you weren't :no:. I just went back and read it in context. Your post was in response to someone pointing out the rampancy of sexual abuse among the clergy. If there's a lead-in to a joke in there anywhere, I missed it.

no, no, it wasn't a joke it was a melodrama like i made it worse than what it actually is, like pandemic is spreading out of control let us do something. did you missed that?

 

[Quagmire]

no, no, it wasn't a joke it was a melodrama like i made it worse than what it actually is, like pandemic is spreading out of control let us do something. did you missed that?

Like I said; now you're trying to play it off as a joke, or as if you were being intentionally ironic.

I don't believe that for a minute, considering the context. There's no doubt in my mind you were being serious at the time.

I think that post and the other one I quoted are examples of you unintentionally letting your true feelings slip through. Maintaining a facade, in this case that your objections to homosexuality are based on something other than deep-seated personal issues, is hard work over. you were bound to tell on yourself eventually.

 

[free spirit]

Like I said; now you're trying to play it off as a joke, or as if you were being intentionally ironic.

I don't believe that for a minute, considering the context. There's no doubt in my mind you were being serious at the time.

I think that post and the other one I quoted are examples of you unintentionally letting your true feelings slip through. Maintaining a facade, in this case that your objections to homosexuality are based on something other than deep-seated personal issues, is hard work over. you were bound to tell on yourself eventually.

No as i said it wasn't a joke i was deadly serious but overplayed.

 

[Quagmire]

No as i said it wasn't a joke i was deadly serious but overplayed.

Lol! Now you're back-peddling on your back-peddling;

can't you see the melodrama, i thought it was a good punch line, like "I only want to get married i am no hurting anyone"

Note the part in red.

 

[free spirit]

Lol! Now you're back-peddling on your back-peddling;

Note the part in red.

No hope for you at all, you have eyes but do not see, you have ears but do not hear. I hope you will not find the words of an apostle offensive.
Romans 1- 26 - 27. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for they women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire towards one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Part of the penalty is that you are blind and deaf to the correct order of things, so you are excused in that regard, it is not your fault for God gave you over to degrading passions. So let us blame him and end it here.

 

[McBell]

No I can not, because man makes it LEGAL or INLEGAL, like God makes it a sin or not, for we cannot change the way God is.

Yes it is a sin.
But only for those who have signed up under that particular deity.
There are other deities who do not consider it a sin.

You say, false informations and flat out lies:

Yes I do,
Because that is exactly what it is.
Your ad nauseum approach does not change the facts.

No my informations agrees with what is normal and perfect,

Your eyes are brown, right?

your information is trumpet up, you may fill good about it but it's not what nature intended.

Nature intended?
What a load of horse manure.
Perhaps if you were to stop parroting others and actually do some honest research you would know that homosexuality is all over in nature.

So my rant as you call it is about keeping whats normal separate from what is abnormal, simple, then do what you like.

Your rant is merely you parroting some religious fanatic homophobe with out knowing or understanding that the nonsense coming out your mouth merely makes you look the fool.

But then, whatever it takes to protect your box.

 

[McBell]

No hope for you at all, you have eyes but do not see, you have ears but do not hear. I hope you will not find the words of an apostle offensive.
Romans 1- 26 - 27. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for they women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire towards one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Part of the penalty is that you are blind and deaf to the correct order of things, so you are excused in that regard, it is not your fault for God gave you over to degrading passions. So let us blame him and end it here.

Wake me up when the sermon is over.

 

[Riverwolf]

No hope for you at all, you have eyes but do not see, you have ears but do not hear. I hope you will not find the words of an apostle offensive.
Romans 1- 26 - 27. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for they women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire towards one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Part of the penalty is that you are blind and deaf to the correct order of things, so you are excused in that regard, it is not your fault for God gave you over to degrading passions. So let us blame him and end it here.

Let me ask this: do the blind know they are blind? Do the deaf know they are deaf?

 

[Riverwolf]

Hurray!!! We have finally came to the foundation of our differences, I rest my case.

Indeed.

Now there are many things I can use to corroborate the argument that humans are no better, even though we are different, than other animals. Such as our need to eat, sleep, use sexual intercourse to reproduce, we die, are born, have nearly the same anatomy as most other mammals, the fact that we need to release waste, etc.

We are different than other animals in that we have the ability to think abstractly, and imagine worlds and beings that do not exist. In a sense, we have creativity and imagination. (And apparently, that is the primary reason why we are so successful as a species.) However, that is not any indication that we are "better" than other animals, as it is pretty much our only hope of survival these days. If not for our creativity, we would have gone extinct long ago.

Now... guide my hand which my blind eyes cannot see to something that elevates us beyond other animals. And NOT a Biblical verse; I've read Parashat Bere**** already, many times. Give me something verifiable and objective.

 

[free spirit]

Indeed.

Now there are many things I can use to corroborate the argument that humans are no better, even though we are different, than other animals. Such as our need to eat, sleep, use sexual intercourse to reproduce, we die, are born, have nearly the same anatomy as most other mammals, the fact that we need to release waste, etc.

We are different than other animals in that we have the ability to think abstractly, and imagine worlds and beings that do not exist. In a sense, we have creativity and imagination. (And apparently, that is the primary reason why we are so successful as a species.) However, that is not any indication that we are "better" than other animals, as it is pretty much our only hope of survival these days. If not for our creativity, we would have gone extinct long ago.

Now... guide my hand which my blind eyes cannot see to something that elevates us beyond other animals. And NOT a Biblical verse; I've read Parashat Bere**** already, many times. Give me something verifiable and objective.

We are aware of ourselves, of our invairoment, of the universe, we are creative, we cannot fly yet we fly, we cannot run yet our speed is outside animal possibilities, we have instinct as well as reason, we have dominium over animals, in other words we are gods with a small ( g ). and then there are the scriptures that tells of our infinite spiritual possibilities.

 

[ryynänen47]

If I'm saying this in the wrong way or in the wrong place, let me know.

Free Spirit, I am truly sorry about what happened with you when you were a child. No one has a right to molest anyone, especially the most vulnerable. Personally, I believe anyone who would harm a child should die, full stop.

I can relate with being afraid and having a bad childhood. I was abused, terrorised and isolated as a child and developed DID as a result. I found a good therapist who helped me understand what I was experiencing and how to live with this condition.

One of the reasons why I pursued spirituality is that I wanted answers to questions that seemed no person could answer. I thought that if I could find god and speak with him, maybe I could understand what the hell was going on. Why were these things happening to me....

If I have offend you or anyone here, I apologise.


Ryynänen47

 

[Storm]

What's DID?

 

[Quagmire]

No hope for you at all,

Not if you were hoping I'd buy your lame excuses and non-sensical explanations.

you have eyes but do not see, you have ears but do not hear.

And you have a computer, but do not read.

Part of the penalty is that you are blind and deaf to the correct order of things,

The correct order being; Free Spirit takes a bunch of personal issues he's not up to dealing with, dresses them up as religious issues, finds a bunch of people doing the same thing who'll willingly co-sign his self-deception, and uses this religious endorsement as a licence to annoy a bunch of other people as punishment for having the temarity to be honest about who they are.

No, FS, I'm not blind to it. I just don't feel like buying into it.

so you are excused

Save your excuses for yourself, ineffective and unconvincing as those are (you need them, I don't).

in that regard, it is not your fault for God gave you over to degrading passions.

Which would those be? I have a passion for exposing bigots, hypocrites, and homophobes for what they are. I can understand why you would find that degrading.

So let us blame him and end it here.

Lol! Do you have a use for God that doesn't run counter to the Bible?

 

[michel]

Yes it is a sin.
But only for those who have signed up under that particular deity.
There are other deities who do not consider it a sin.

Fair enough, but our Christian friend has "signed up" under that particular deity - and is quoting what he truly believes are the rules to which we must abide.

As it happens, I would have disagreed with him not that long ago; I believed that God couldn't be so cruel as to make a group suffer the pain of having to sin in order to consumate their relationship. Since then, I have been forced to take a good look at what I believe; I have been having help reading the bible - I attend classes, and I am getting through what is all new to me.........

Unfortunately, though homosexuality is not a sin, the sexual act between homosexuals is..........Hard as it may sound, chastity is the only way "out".

 

[Riverwolf]

Indeed.

Now there are many things I can use to corroborate the argument that humans are no better, even though we are different, than other animals. Such as our need to eat, sleep, use sexual intercourse to reproduce, we die, are born, have nearly the same anatomy as most other mammals, the fact that we need to release waste, etc.

We are different than other animals in that we have the ability to think abstractly, and imagine worlds and beings that do not exist. In a sense, we have creativity and imagination. (And apparently, that is the primary reason why we are so successful as a species.) However, that is not any indication that we are "better" than other animals, as it is pretty much our only hope of survival these days. If not for our creativity, we would have gone extinct long ago.




We are aware of ourselves, of our invairoment, of the universe, we are creative, we cannot fly yet we fly, we cannot run yet our speed is outside animal possibilities, we have instinct as well as reason, we have dominium over animals, in other words we are gods with a small ( g ). and then there are the scriptures that tells of our infinite spiritual possibilities.

And how do you know that animals aren't aware of themselves? Certain ones may not be, but others may be. We simply can't know. Obviously animals are aware of their environment; it's how they survive. Our creativity is our survival tool. Other animals don't need to know anything about the universe to survive. We have NO dominion over other animals, though we may pretend to. Our ability to reason is yet just another survival tool.

Sorry. Still unconvinced.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Hey, I know we all dont agree 100% with everything in our religions

I do believe 100% of what my religion teaches. My religion is what I believe at any moment of time. If find that my views are wrong I change them. My Hindu teacher says except the teaching of Hinduism, but cut off the head and tail. This means for the people who eat fish. ( Both me and my tradition do not ) Except the parts that you find useful and throw the rest away, only eat the parts that are tasty. This is my simplistic view of faith.