Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

[Stevicus]

College protesters want ‘amnesty.’ At stake: Tuition, legal charges, grades and graduation

At issue is whether universities and law enforcement will clear the students of charges, or whether the suspensions and legal records will follow them into their adult lives.

apnews.com

The students’ plight has become a central part of protests, with students and a growing number of faculty demanding their amnesty. At issue is whether universities and law enforcement will clear the charges and withhold other consequences, or whether the suspensions and legal records will follow students into their adult lives.

Questions about their academic futures remain. Will they be allowed to take final exams? What about financial aid? Graduation? Columbia says outcomes will be decided at disciplinary hearings, but Alwan says she has not been given a date.

“This feels very dystopian,” said Alwan, a comparative literature and society major.

The article mentioned that more than 50 students were evicted from campus housing at Barnard College:

Barnard, a women’s liberal arts college at Columbia, suspended more than 50 students who were arrested April 18 and evicted them from campus housing, according to interviews with students and reporting from the Columbia Spectator campus newspaper, which obtained internal campus documents.

Those on student visas could also face deportation.

For international students facing suspension, there is the added fear of losing their visas, said Radhika Sainath, an attorney with Palestine Legal, which helped a group of Columbia students file a federal civil rights complaint against the school Thursday. It accuses Columbia of not doing enough to address discrimination against Palestinian students.

“The level of punishment is not even just draconian, it feels like over-the-top callousness,” Sainath said.

 

[Revoltingest]

The article mentioned that more than 50 students were evicted from campus housing at Barnard College:

We should note that there is no due process
for tenants evicted by a university. This is
common at state owned universities, so I
wonder how a private university landlord
becomes exempt from the law that apples
to other landlords? I recently read that
evictions in NYC take about 2 years.
This is a powerful censorship tool.

Those on student visas could also face deportation.

US government has a keen interest in booting
Muslims. As we see even on RF, there's great
opposition to allowing into the country in the
first place.

 

[fantome profane]

How does one eliminate an organization like Hamas? It seems to me that it would be like trying to eliminate a drug cartel or an organized crime family. Even if you physically eliminate every known member, there will be others waiting to step up and take their place.

Glad I am not the only one who understands that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Glad I am not the only one who understands that.

It's an understanding that's inaccessible
to fervent Zionists. They don't appreciate
that to solve a problem, the solution should
yield results that don't exacerbate the problem.
Wearing blinders, eh.

 

[Revoltingest]

The protesters must be doing something right.
Trump really hates them.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-compares-campus-israel-protests-2017-white-nationalist-rally-2024-04-26/

USA's biggest criminal...a foul tempered,
treasonous, Christian nationalist, sexual
predator sides against protests of Israel's
genocide. Zionists must be so proud.

 

[fantome profane]

I don't know to deal with Jihadists who have, being the deranged cowards that they are, embedded themselves in a civilian population that they are willing to use as human shields.

What's your idea?

This is what I have been trying to explain to you. Help those civilian populations and they will kick out those "Jihadists" as you call them. There is a reason civilian populations are shielding these terrorists and that is what we need to change.

 

[Watchmen]

Which protesters, and how many of them give that person any authority to be their leader or speak on their behalf? Is there any source talking about this? There are protests on many campuses at this point, so I don't think the protesters as a whole have any centralized leadership.

Leader of the Columbia protests.

 

[Stevicus]

Violence breaks out at dueling pro-Israel and pro-Palestine protests on UCLA campus

Violence broke out on the UCLA campus where dueling demonstrations between pro-Israel and pro-Palestine groups got underway on Sunday, the school said.

www.cbsnews.com

"UCLA has a long history of being a place of peaceful protest. We are heartbroken about the violence that broke out."

The two groups included pro-Palestinian protesters and a permitted counterdemonstration by the United Jewish Coalition in partnership with the Israeli American Council (IAC) and other related groups. It was not immediately clear which group had breached the barrier.

They tried to separate the two groups, but some had breached the barriers and violence broke out.

 

[icehorse]

Extreme ideologies can only gain traction under extreme conditions, particularly in situations of widespread poverty, desperation, and hopelessness.
I honestly take no stance on any of the particular issues about whose land belongs to whom. But as long as the people living there face impoverishment, deprivation, and oppression, then anyone with a chip on his shoulder is going to find a ready and willing pool of recruits.

While that's often true, there are lots of exceptions. All across Europe there are issues with Islamist immigrants who have been treated quite well by their hosts and are still pursuing Sharia.

 

[icehorse]

This is what I have been trying to explain to you. Help those civilian populations and they will kick out those "Jihadists" as you call them. There is a reason civilian populations are shielding these terrorists and that is what we need to change.

Right, so the world should have been stepping up for the last 20 years to help those civilian populations.

 

[icehorse]

So long as the tourists didn't want to go fishing, I guess.

Gaza fisherfolk can only ‘dream of fishing freely’ under Israel’s blockade

Dozens in Gaza staged a sit-in after a new wave of violations by Israel saw fishermen arrested, boats taken.

www.aljazeera.com

Perhaps Israel would have backed off the blockade a bit if it saw all that aid money going to building a peaceful, beautiful Gaza.

 

[Revoltingest]

Right, so the world should have been stepping up for the last 20 years to help those civilian populations.

Israel would've prevented it.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE7041GH/

Excerpted...
Israel told U.S. officials in 2008 it would keep Gaza's economy "on the brink of collapse" while avoiding a humanitarian crisis, according to U.S. diplomatic cables published by a Norwegian daily on Wednesday.
Three cables cited by the Aftenposten newspaper, which has said it has all 250,000 U.S. cables leaked to WikiLeaks, showed that Israel kept the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv briefed on its internationally criticized blockade of the Gaza Strip.


Even now, Israel murdered Central World Kitchen
workers, forcing them to stop their aid. USA
also stopped aid, further adding to the starvation
that's portrayed on BBC today....children dying
of malnutrition & related disease. The faces of
dead children were blurred.
The world has been unwilling to go against the
desires of Israel's oppression. This must change.

 

[Stevicus]

While that's often true, there are lots of exceptions. All across Europe there are issues with Islamist immigrants who have been treated quite well by their hosts and are still pursuing Sharia.

Yes, although they're living in integrated societies where they have civil rights, access to social services. Many have jobs and businesses, kids in school, which means they have a stake in the system - regardless of what religious beliefs they might hold. It's when people don't have a stake in the system and essentially nothing to lose that things can get out of hand.

 

[icehorse]

Israel would've prevented it.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE7041GH/

Excerpted...
Israel told U.S. officials in 2008 it would keep Gaza's economy "on the brink of collapse" while avoiding a humanitarian crisis, according to U.S. diplomatic cables published by a Norwegian daily on Wednesday.
Three cables cited by the Aftenposten newspaper, which has said it has all 250,000 U.S. cables leaked to WikiLeaks, showed that Israel kept the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv briefed on its internationally criticized blockade of the Gaza Strip.


Even now, Israel murdered Central World Kitchen
workers, forcing them to stop their aid. USA
also stopped aid, further adding to the starvation
that's portrayed on BBC today....children dying
of malnutrition & related disease. The faces of
dead children were blurred.
The world has been unwilling to go against the
desires of Israel's oppression. This must change.

We can only speculate as to what Israel would have done if all that aid money sent to Gaza had been used for peaceful purposes. You have to know that EVERYONE knew what Hamas was doing with all that money/

 

[Revoltingest]

We can only speculate as to what Israel would have done if all that aid money sent to Gaza had been used for peaceful purposes. You have to know that EVERYONE knew what Hamas was doing with all that money/

You're missing the point that Israel implemented
a systematic policy to keep Gazans poor. In doing
so, augmented by killings, torture, & imprisonment,
& land theft, this created an environment to foster
violent resistance.
Israel's policy of trying to harm Hamas by harming
all Palestinians had the opposite effect of weakening
Hamas & other groups.

 

[icehorse]

Yes, although they're living in integrated societies where they have civil rights, access to social services. Many have jobs and businesses, kids in school, which means they have a stake in the system - regardless of what religious beliefs they might hold. It's when people don't have a stake in the system and essentially nothing to lose that things can get out of hand.

But my point is that sometimes a violent ideology shines thru even when people are treated well.

Over 500 times in the Quran, non-Muslims are vilified, demeaned, besmirched, denounced, condemned, insulted, pilloried, denigrated, or otherwise maligned. Do you think maybe that's just a bit of a problem?

 

[icehorse]

You're missing the point that Israel implemented
a systematic policy to keep Gazans poor. In doing
so, augmented by killings, torture, & imprisonment,
& land theft, this created an environment to foster
violent resistance.
Israel's policy of trying to harm Hamas by harming
all Palestinians had the opposite effect of weakening
Hamas & other groups.

The aid money flowed in, hundreds of millions of dollars worth. It was Hamas that kept Gazans poor.

 

[Revoltingest]

But my point is that sometimes a violent ideology shines thru even when people are treated well.

Is this part of an argument that it would be wrong for
Israel to afford Palestinians peace, justice, & prosperity?

 

[Revoltingest]

The aid money flowed in, hundreds of millions of dollars worth. It was Hamas that kept Gazans poor.

Perhaps you missed the Wikileaks link showing
that Israel had a policy of keeping Palestinians
poor? USA gave Israel billions of dollars per year
to implement this & other human rights violations.
So Israel defeated aid by other countries to aid them.

Do you see anything....anything at all that
Israel has done that you believe wrong?

 

[icehorse]

Is this part of an argument that it would be wrong for
Israel to afford Palestinians peace, justice, & prosperity?

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